Why did they ruin him?
Why did they ruin him?
Nolan Allen
Dominic Jenkins
Because Lucas was jealous that someone else fleshed out his character better to the point where he was starting to overshadow Vader in popularity and Filoni is a yes man with the mind of a 13 year old fanfic author.
Hudson Perry
Based and checked
Nolan Jones
how?
Ethan Hernandez
Lincoln Jenkins
Oh, that. I don't care about Dave's fanfic so none of that actually happened
Cooper Richardson
Tartakovsky's Grievous is ridiculously over the top badass and powerful that ROTS Grievous could never live up to the portrayal when he's just meant to be a secondary villain that gives Obi Wan something to do.
Camden Cooper
>jedi created clone army in secret from the public
>jedi order supported the idea of republic army to curbstomp separatist systems who were legic concerned about the republican taxes
>jedi attempted to coup the legitimally elected chancellor over his philosophical/religious views
regardles of how "good" the jedi are by themselves and how good their philosophy is - the jedi order by itself is pure cancer. It's like christianity and the church itself.
Thomas Wilson
based
Evan Hall
True, but RotS Grievous still manages to not entirely contradict what came before. It's more how TCW needlessly flanderizes him to the point of being a non threat that irks fans.
Aaron Hall
I used to be an "empire did nothing wrong" sperg when i was 15, too. you'll grow out of it.
The jedi were flawed. that's it. not irredeemable, immoral caner.
Jayden Fisher
Dave Filoni is a hack, he also wanted to make Durge a human.
Luis Gutierrez
>True, but RotS Grievous still manages to not entirely contradict what came before
Not really.
>Doesn't fight Anakin/Obi Wan on the bridge
>Makes his guards do it while he scampers around
>Breaks a window and gets to the nearest escape pod
>Ridiculously mogged by Obi Wan in like three minutes on Utapau
>Runs at first sight of clone army
>Engages in a chase to get to starship to escape planet
>Tries to shoot Obi Wan with his blaster
>Obi Wan plotarmors his way to kill him
If anything Filoni just leaned heavily into what was already being portrayed in the movie. Grievous was an outclassed coward.
Asher Taylor
he was talking about the order in the prequels, not the jedi philosophy itself
Jace Rogers
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Benjamin Phillips
My point is that Qui-Gon was right, reforms were required.
Xavier Cruz
>>Doesn't fight Anakin/Obi Wan on the bridge
>>Makes his guards do it while he scampers around
>>Breaks a window and gets to the nearest escape pod
this happens immediately after mace windu crushes his chest
he's nursing a pretty severe injury
and regarding the fight against obi wan, obi is one of the best duelists in the order (and the best defensive duelist), he's likely one of the 2-3 that could've beaten him outright
Carson Russell
There was nothing to ruin. The Greivous fans fell in love with was just a glorified fanfic.
Jose Foster
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Landon Rivera
>obi is one of the best duelists in the order (and the best defensive duelist), he's likely one of the 2-3 that could've beaten him outright
This is my point. Grievous isn't much beyond being a side villain that serves as a thing for Obi Wan to be doing on his own in the movie.
In Clone Wars he's fighting Jedi masters five at a time and is soloing platoons of soldiers until he has to be asspulled depowered by "muh Force crush" so that he's believable in the mainline movie. It's too ridiculous and over the top, even for Star Wars. Why doesn't Mace Windu do his superfast Force kung fu and punching in the movies, but does it in Clone Wars? Because it looks cool. Doesn't make it good characterization.
Dominic Morris
Lucas said in the ROTS commentary that he intended for Grievous to be a sneaky and cowardly villain rather than a scary and powerful one like Vader. In-universe he got dismantled by Obi-Wan so quickly because Obi-Wan was a Jedi Council member who mastered the defensive fighting style. The real reason was because it was extremely difficult to choreograph and greenscreen the duel with two stuntmen acting as one to stand in for Grievous.
Carter Cook
>le fanfic
Oh fuck off with this. The Grievous everybody loved was literally the first ever appearance of the character, it established an expectation that Lucas couldn't provide.
Carson Richardson
Based
Andrew Hernandez
George should have embraced that everyone wants to the the robot cock destroy Obi Wan's butthole. Wasted opportunity to have a first gay robot sex scene in Star Wars.
Bentley Ward
this
Blake Miller
Grievous is only for XenoPadme.
Luis Carter
how can anyone, even a mentally-ill tumblr dweller, bring themselves to masturbate to this atrocious art style
Ayden Lee
As long as she has a cock I'm ok with this
Cameron Gomez
Just a cloaca.
Jace Edwards
Cute
Daniel Martinez
He was kinda sexy ngl.
Ryan Green
Isn't there some stipulation that he can't really use the force because he's a robot? (for the most part)
Thomas Perez
Elijah Williams
Then it's illegal
Carter Clark
Imagine the cybercummies in my bummies
Asher Thomas
he had a smooth voice and a commanding demeanor
Brandon Allen
I liked his old voice.
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Gavin Flores
To be fair, I do think TCW Grievous gets more flak than he deserves. Whenever he fights Obi-Wan, the Jedi is either on the run or can only manage a stalemate before falling back on the Force. Eth Koth got whooped and so did Gallia. That said it's bullshit that Ahsoka wasn't instantly slaughtered and the bit with the Gungans is inexcusable.
Asher Phillips
Christopher Davis
Adrian Ward
Fun fact, that very first line that Grievous speaks was performed by Joe DiMaggio. They changed the voice actor for the "run, Jedi, run" and stuck with that voice actor for the rest of that series.
Bender was the very first Grievous.
Ethan Allen
Based. I'd add that along with this.
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John Richardson
I'll never understand why they keep using that dumb "chad" voice for Anakin in everything now. Sounds nothing like the prequels.
Samuel King
execute order 66.....
destroy the filoni fags. leave none alive
Gavin Kelly
My guess would be that after the perceived negative reaction to the prequels there was a push to return star wars to the OT era by moving away from the gray morality of the prequels to the black and white morality of the OT, hence a gray character like Grievous had to be sidelined.
Bentley Clark
Because he was better and more cool than Vader
Thomas Sullivan
Didn't they end up making Ventress and Maul fairly gray though?
Ayden Hernandez
I thought both versions were cool.
Angel Cook
Based ARCchad
Henry Taylor
It's kind of interesting how the EU tried to make the Empire into a necessary evil, while the movies portrayed the Empire as pure evil.
Lucas Hill
Funny that the most beloved depiction is the least canon. DESU the og clone wars Grievous is way more menacing that Darth Vader in the OT.
Zachary Rivera
Palps literally orchestrated the entire fucking war. Billions, maybe even trillions, of lives were taken at his hand.
Dominic Bailey
its because once you think about things more than 5 seconds it becomes apparent fascism is the only answer
Lincoln Brown
>5'11 vs 6'0
Nathaniel Green
If you mean TCW Grievous, that's Filoni's shit work not George, his work on SW was practically over after ROTS, other than giving suggestions that Filoni still ignored.
You're forgetting the fact that ROTS Grievous is after he just lost his Master and the CIS becomes completely crippled alongside his lungs by Windu, Tartakovsky also only demonstrated Grievous fighting 2 Masters and several Padawans, who as guessed by their name, shouldn't be experienced enough against a Jedi-Killing machine with several lightsabers in their collection already.
Obi-Wan on the other hand has alot of experience and was trained by one of the most skilled Jedi that was Qui Gon, who, if wasn't for this following of the Force instead of bowing to the Republic, would've been a council member, plus the fact that other than the Bridge, Grievous never met Qui Gon, until Filoni retconned half of the canon.
>Doesn't fight Anakin/Obi Wan on the bridge
His Master who trained him through the entire war just died to them, the Chancellor has been rescued, the entire operation is a failure and if he maintains position he will either die or be captured with the destruction of his remaining fleet
>Ridiculously mogged by Obi Wan in like three minutes on Utapau
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>Clone Wars he's fighting Jedi masters five at a time and is soloing platoons of soldiers until he has to be asspulled depowered by "muh Force crush" so that he's believable in the mainline movie.
Two jedi masters, the others were Padawan or at max knights, who could probably still have less experience than Grievous
>Why doesn't Mace Windu do his superfast Force kung fu and punching in the movies, but does it in Clone Wars?
You could say Palpatine was simply too quick in his attack for windu to do his kung fu, of course the real reason is the actors not being able to fight as quickly as someone like Ewan and Hayden but still just takes a simple reasoning to fix.
Jack Smith
seems like youre making the same argument people make about starkiller and thinking he's actually the strongest.
you have to mentally separate the spectacle. if it were in the movies, it would be powerscaled but the basic gist of the events would be the same
David Powell
>where he was starting to overshadow Vader in popularity
Is anyone really deluded enough to believe this?
Xavier James
yes, they're called star wars fanboys
>it's been ten fucking years and they still can't get over it
Tyler Smith
So how did we end up in a situation where you'd make a post like that? You really need to explain your internal logic here.
Alexander Ross
>conveniently left out the part where Palpatine was organizing both sides of a galactic scale war costing trillions of lives and is also guilty of major war crimes
Isaac Scott
Given that he was designed to be a foreshadowing of Vader then getting retconned for being sympathetic and compared to Vader too often, I'd say yes.
Aaron Martin
>they're called actual star wars fans*
Fixed.
Jackson Johnson
people should remember that in his training scene with Dooku, Dooku tells him not to engage the Jedi until he had them scared/broken their spirit.
The insinuation being that Grievous could and most likely would be beaten by a Jedi unless he had them mentally off balance (as we saw when he fought the two masters and three padawans)
This is why in the movie (also after his injury) he doesn't stay to fight Obiwan and Anakin (the two big name heroes in the war) and why Obiwan is a hard fight for him (Obiwan is very good at staying balanced and in control of himself).
He also runs during that fight because there's a big surprise attack by the republic with a force large enough to capture 3 star systems and he doesn't see the point in sticking around to be killed.
he's just not force sensitive to begin with
Eli Moore
what the fuck is wrong with you