Star Trek: The Next Generation

Because Stewart got way, way too much creative control and ruined things. Shatner got a lot of creative control on one TOS film and it was the worst one, actors need to stick to their roles and not fuck things up.

People like to say that Berman killed Star Trek. That’s wrong, Stewart killed Star Trek and he’s doing it all over.

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>TOS had a much stronger cast. TNG has some good characters but lots of dead weight.
Incorrect, by the time of the movies they both had equal strong characters and dead weight characters.
>TOS dead weight: Sulu, Uhura, Chekov
>TNG dead weight: Troi, Crusher, La Forge
TNG had Wesley and Tasha Yar, but they were gone by the time the movies started. Difference was that the TOS movies knew how to use their dead weight, Sulu, Uhura, and Chekov get their best moments in the movies and the movies are honestly the only reason anyone gave a shit about those characters. They were glorified extras in the show.

I grew up with Trek. I wonder how many of those people who wanted Berman to leave wish they could have him back?

As for Stewart killing Trek, debatable? Voyager was the beginning of the end with their horrible misuse of the Reset Button, and ENT was just horrible from their self-wank theme song, to sex pandering and Captain Kick-My-Ass, with a literal fistfight or sex pandering scene in every episode. The TNG crew ruining the movies was one of many nails in the Trek coffin. As for Stewart killing it again, how can you kill that which is already dead? The modern CBSTrek is dumpsterfire tier, and I refuse to watch any of it. There will never be any new Trek for me, I refuse to watch them desecrate it's rotting corpse.

Star Trek "fans" sure do have a flair for the dramatic.

Sulu/Chekov were great bantz. They and Uhura didn't get enough screen time to really become dead weight.
>Troi
>Crusher
>La Forge
>Wesley
>Yar
>Worf
>Alexander
>O'Brien

what makes trek date so badly? TOS is a 60s show that looks worse than than those frankenstein movies from the 30s. at best it feels like it was made in the 50s. TNG feels 80s as fuck but is an entirely 90s production. i think it adds charm, but for some reason trek just starts to feel incredibly hokey and old real quick

trek is first and foremost super cheap

People forget shows are good not because of their music or actors its because the writters. Anyone can play picard and worf. Yet to have them be good characters you need good writers. The writers for the movies sucked.

>forget
that's illegal knowledge user, the director and actors guild have forbidden guild writers. busted to fuck.

Other than Nemesis the same writers as the show wrote the movies.

In fact, Insurrection was a scrapped TNG two parter reworked into a movie.

Still not Trek, unloved

>hating Worf
fuck you
>hating O'Brien
FUCK YOU

Worf is a very good character and O'Brien is top three trek characters of all time.

TNG started in 1987

>TNG feels 80s as fuck but is an entirely 90s production.
1987 was the first season, with production begun in 1986. If you want to whine like a baby, at least get your facts straight.

insurrection feels like an ep. generations feels like a bunch of shitty scriptscraps bashed together.

Only on TNG though, TNG knew how to waste talent like nothing else

I really hope you don't think that actors wrote and directed these movies.

Retard, look at who directed Star Treks 3, 4, and 5. Nevermind the fact that they had actual input on their characters.

TNG as a series was completely out of step with the blustery 90s action movies they were trying to adjust their movies to

haven't seen any of TOS movies (watched Wrath Of Khan with my friends but we were drunk out of our minds so I wasn't really paying attention) so can't speak to them but from clips I've seen they seem to stay closer to the series in tone

I think Frakes also directed First Contact and Insurrection.

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You are correct, I forgot because I really don't care for the TNG films. First Contact is fine, just not as much a favorite as the TOS films.

TNG's holier than thou bullshit was the blip, them falling into action shlock just sent them below the average.

>DURRRRR I'm a retarded contrarian zoomer faggot who just wants to argue despite being utterly ignorant of the actual facts
Sad. Many such cases.

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Star Trek is dead.

You could've just ignored it.
This is why they do it.

Generations was marred by the need to shoehorn in Kirk and a tight schedule between TNG finale, DS9 s2 and VOY preproduction.
Insurrection had a watered down script with no stakes and cheap special effects due to ILM doing Episode 1.
Nemesis had some retard with no idea directing and way too much input by Stewart and Spiner.

I think it was Michael Piller specifically that made TNG great. He went on to help create DS9 and was only brought back for the one film that felt like it had real soul which was Insurrection.

i still havent watched nemesis, probably never will

based

I forgot

Picard used to bring the ruckus as a younger starfleet officer, evidenced by his heart being punctured by some xeno scum he picked a fight with. But his main attribute has always been that he has an iron will. As for Patrick Stewart he seems chill af so I'll just throw your opinion into the trash where it belongs.

Also INS and NEM were always chasing the dragon that was First Contact's success. FC was classic action with gun fights, a protag vs villain showdown and a space battle. So they tried to put this into the following even though the more mellow story of INS didn't need the crew to pick up the heavy guns and Picard chasing Ruafo on the exploding spaceship. And then NEM went full retard with the Mad Max chase and the weird boarding party battle with Riker going fistycuffs against the viceroy.

Patrick Stewart wanted to be Bruce Willis, but ended up becoming Bruce Willis instead.

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I want to puke.

patrick stewart seems like kind of a faggot. he threatened to quit TNG after season 3 because the role of picard was "boring", but they called his bluff and he ended up not quitting
but then they caved and gave him creative control for the movies and they were shit. same reason the new picard series is shit, because they're letting patrick stewart make decisions

Underrated

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Why weren't there any Vulcans in TNG?

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Except for Selar and Sarek and Spock and that one chick from Gambit and the mealworm eating admiral from Conspiracy and....

Nigga what is you on?
Sarek
Spock
Selar

Waiting for the Orville movie

gene originally didn't want any aliens from TOS to reappear at all

>patrick stewart seems like kind of a faggot.
He is. He's been open about being bi. He played gay in Jeffrey (1995). He's been kissing Ian McKellan at multiple premieres

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Patrick Stewart is to Trekkies what Rudy Giuliani is to New Yorkers.

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How did we get here?

werd. that was the main problem. generations tried to limit it, but still looked weird as fuck seeing two old ass fuckers fight.
then in first contact, picard swinging and shooting looked too ridiculous. same goes for insurrection and nemesis.

>shows up in only one episode out of seven seasons
>in three scenes, only has speaking lines in two
>the only vulcan besides spock in TNG

The most infuriating part is they had the actress play other roles and could have written Selar in as a side character at any time but instead wanted to develop other throwaways like Gomez and Barclay.

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He's not gay, he's a flamboyant shakespearean stage actor. He is an open person, watch his interviews over the years. He genuinely seems like a good person.

>stage actor
>not gay
>

I don't even understand what's happening in the other thread. Is that how retards on Yea Forums talk? Five word monosyllabic sentences about family guy cartoons?

>Barclay
>throwaway
Dude was a character for 11 years
I agree with you on Selar, though.

Patrick Stewart is undeniably gay.

It's being raided.

>11 years of recycled holodeck addiction plots
Barclay is entirely disposable and TNG would have been better for it.

He’s a scumbag who bullied Diana Muldaur into leaving the cast.

barclay was one of the better characters on two shows, the problem was having other worse characters (geordi, data) alongside him.

who cares? they're all actors and thus shit

He's literally fucking Bi, I said he was bi, I didn't say gay. Holy fucking argumentative asshole, don't put words in my mouth you faggot! Watch his interviews yourself, he fucking says he's bi.

That’s just gay with extra steps.

If they wrote Selar in more eps, they would have had to pay residuals to the writer who created her. Meanwhile, every writer wanted to put in their own characters in an attempt to get their own residuals.

8=========D
I'll put that in your mouth fagget

>He’s a scumbag who bullied Diana Muldaur into leaving the cast.
Tell us more. I know he wanted Gates back, but I don't recall stories of him being an asshole to Muldaur

meanwhile gene writes """lyrics""" for the TOS theme song, trek has always had cancerous producers

Are you high or retarded? Reg only had two holo episodes. Hollow Pursuits and Pathfinder.

That makes you the faggot. But, like father, like son, groomer.

when he was asked by the producers what he wanted for season 3, he said he wanted new uniforms and for them to fire muldaur

probably just inferiority issues, worried she was acting circles around him

>trek has always had cancerous producers
Name a show that didn't.

I had completely forgotten about the existence of "The Fall Guy". Somehow came across an episode on YouTube. Lee Majors sings the theme song. He's a producer. And in the episode, he sang one or two more songs! Cha-CHING!