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Joshua Rogers
The whole breakup was fucking weird:
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> The rise and fall of a minor YouTube group
>Jun 18, 2016
>If you’ve got even a passing interest in obscure internet drama, here’s a story for you. Early last month, THAC TV, the group behind the kind of popular YouTube series Marble Hornets disbanded after a series of unfortunate events during the past year or so. Let me tell you a bit about it from my perspective as nothing more than a fan. Well, at least I used to be.
Oliver Cruz
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Robert Watson
>Marble Hornets
>The story begins almost seven years ago. In June 2009, the Marble Hornets channel uploaded the first two videos of what would become THAC’s most successful work to date and probably — with what happened recently — of all time. The series was a fictional, found footage style horror/mystery show focusing on the internet-created character Slender Man. Originally, the series was mainly produced by two twenty-something friends, Troy Wagner and Joseph DeLage, with Troy playing the protagonist Jay and Joseph playing the (eventual) antagonist Alex. During the first season of the show, other characters were introduced, and the character of Alex’ friend Tim, played by Tim Sutton, became a mainstay and much later a fellow protagonist. Marble Hornets had a number of twists and turns in the course of its three seasons and 87 main episodes, which lasted from June 20, 2009 to June 20, 2014. In addition to the main episodes, it included a companion channel and a Twitter account to make it somewhat ARG-like. It was very exciting at the time, but one thing is for certain: it all went downhill from the beginning.
>Regardless of how you feel about the individual seasons, there’s no denying that the first one is the most popular, and depending on whether or not you agree with me, it’s also the best. Marble Hornets grew from a sequence of short and unsettling clips with little context to a genuine story with characters, dialogue and drama. And these things tend to work better if they’re not written, directed and acted out by amateurs. This is by no means a dig at Troy, Joseph and Tim. No one expects world class writing and acting from a free YouTube series, but the original format was definitely better at working around these limitations, to the show’s advantage.
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>At the time of writing, nearly every season 1 episode has gained over a million views, and the first few have several. Season 2 episodes hover between half a million and a million, and season 3 a few hundred thousand less.
>As a side project to Marble Hornets, the three main creative forces behind it occasionally made surreal comedy videos for Troy’s personal YouTube channel, Troy Has A Camera. Some of these went on to be mildly successful, no doubt fueled primarily by fans of their horror series. In December 2013, during the third and final season of Marble Hornets, the group registered a company, THAC LLC, mainly for the purpose of merchandise, including a successful Kickstarter for the season 3 DVD.
Aiden Barnes
>A new direction
>When Marble Hornets ended for good in 2014, the group shifted their focus to comedy videos for the THAC channel, which was now their primary output. As part of this, they brought in a fourth member called Noah Scammon. I was skeptical of him at the time. With their videos and behind-the-scenes info, the three original members had built up a relationship with the fanbase. Noah hadn’t and yet became a prominent part of the face of THAC; it was like he was forced onto us. But the addition of Noah wasn’t the only noticeable change. Around this time, a pattern was emerging: give each member of the group their own recurring comedic character and show. The roster eventually turned into:
>Nature Break with Craig Digsby (Troy), a nature show
>Space Time Express with Morningstar Sinclair (Tim), a space show
>Fixin’ a Fixit with Owen Hankinson (Joseph), a DIY show
>Spooky Drawer with Dominic Darkwalter (Noah), a spooky story show
>Cyber Tricks with Computer Jym (Noah), a computer show
>Isn’t That Something with Dr. Thompson Hacke (Troy), a science show
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>In addition to these formats, THAC was now also producing a variety of out-of-character videos like Let’s Plays, a podcast, and DnD campaigns. Although they would still occasionally make the kind of original shorts they started out with, it was no longer their main concern. Still, at the time, I was optimistic. Noah started to feel like an integrated part of the team, and the regular formats were occasionally entertaining. Things could definitely have been worse, and I was still somewhat invested. But as we’ll see, most of the shows would end up shortlived.
>On August 3, 2015, new videos started appearing on the Marble Hornets channel, titled Clear Lakes 44 (which have recently been unlisted). This was to be a successor to Marble Hornets — direct or spiritual — having been teased as the final stretch goal on the season 3 DVD Kickstarter. Clear Lakes 44 started out with fast updates and decent popularity, but just like with Marble Hornets, interest was steadily dropping.
Aiden Williams
Marble Hornets was somethingawful shit. It fell apart like everything else from that site. Good odds at least a couple of the people involved trooned out.
Logan Cook
>Halving the team
>Some time in October of 2015, Joseph and Tim left the group. At the time, the circumstances of the breakup were kept vague by all of the people involved. No one knew exactly how nasty the split had been. Maybe it was creative differences. Maybe it was gigantic creative differences. I think it’s fair to say that the fan community was unsure how to deal with it: Troy was the founder and initial force that put THAC on the map, but Joseph and Tim had been essential parts of everything good they had ever made. Soon, Troy wrote a post just a few buzzwords short of being a corporate press release.
>"THAC is absolutely not a studio that has any interest to scale back or drop off content. In fact, moving forward from here, and into 2016, the company lives strong and will be releasing even more videos and series as planned."
>According to Troy, the workforce of THAC was effectively halved, yet the workload would actually increase. A bold promise that didn’t exactly build confidence, especially from a post where the group’s usual transparency and honesty was nowhere to be found. Regardless, life — and THAC’s remaining video series — went on.
Kayden Torres
bet a few pony-themed youtubers fell flat once interest started declining and people began to hide and deny their brony past
Aiden Phillips
>Back to square one
>The story ends in April of this year, where Troy spills the beans about the split with Joseph and Tim. There’s no reason for me to go into it as his account of things is very detailed and has been verified by Joseph and Tim. What I will say is this: what shred of optimism I had left for THAC is now dead and gone. I had always assumed the breakup was just a matter of creative differences, but it was much more complicated than that; things were apparently bad enough that they didn’t speak to each other for five months. Later in the thread, Noah posts a long sentimental post about his memories of the other guys, and then Joseph answers with just this:
>"Dude, eat shit. Eat shit and be glad that I still (mostly) maintain a sense of professionalism about this whole thing."
>At first Noah’s post seems like an attempt to douse the fire, but the jarring difference between its sugar-sweet tone and Joseph’s aggressive response definitely raises a red flag. Was Noah secretly mocking him? Does Joseph hold Noah responsible for splitting the group? Is Noah just unreasonably optimistic about the whole thing? We’ll probably never know, but it’s obvious that the two aren’t exactly on good terms.
Eli Allen
Still waiting for /mlp/ to be closed
Nicholas Jenkins
>Two days later, after a lot of reactions, discussions and (ugh) memes, Troy posts another update on how he has asked Noah to leave THAC, effectively cancelling all shows he was involved in, including Clear Lakes 44. This puts THAC back to how it was seven years go: just Troy and a camera. You might think hey, that worked out pretty well last time! And you’d be right. Except last time, things only got really good with the help of Joseph and Tim. Troy might be able to find other partners, sure, but there’s another problem. Last time — and this is purely speculative — it was a hobby fuelled by the passion for creating stuff. This time, it needs to make money: Troy has a young daughter he needs to support financially, and presumably has too little spare time to make THAC a hobby project.
>My best guess: THAC, and the things it used to make, are dead. According to Troy, he’s got plans to reboot CL44 (hence the unlisting of existing episodes), but I’m not going to get my hopes up. As for the rest of the crew: Tim made a decent video in February, promising more videos the following month (which have yet to surface). Joseph works at a deli and has no current plans to make more YouTube stuff. Noah is working as a production manager and generally has an active online presence, though he hasn’t produced any significant solo content lately.
Juan Harris
If people gave a shit they would've read your link.
Don't post 10 separate walls of text for this shit
Ayden Campbell
not going to happen any time soon, the new gen is receiving lukewarm reception but the engines of autism generating content for what is out there will keep it going for some time
it can't last forever, the userbase will drop off gradually
I'm staying until the very end
Jonathan Thomas
Ryan Nelson
Sterling always gave off "arrogant smelly flabby Games Workshop employee who talks your ear off and thinks he's amazing at everything despite ostensibly being a loser" vibes to me. I'm constantly told his content is good but even before he trooned out I could never stomach it.
John White
>But let’s not end this on doom and gloom. Although I think the chances of anything worthwhile coming out of this debacle are slim at best, who knows? Maybe there will be a Clear Lakes 44 v2.0, and maybe it will be fantastic. Maybe each former member will make great videos on their own, and maybe they’ll eventually reconcile. Let’s just hope and wait.
>Update: Troy has rebranded his new solo outfit as Fish With A Nose, which currently has no uploads and is not included in the first page of a Google search for “fish with a nose”. Best of luck to Troy!
>Update 2: The THAC forums have been discontinued, so I have updated the links to archived versions of the posts.
An update to this from me, Troy did start another series called ECKVA that is still ongoing but is very slow to update. He did make a game for it though.
He also made a Marble Hornets continuation comic that's still ongoing (4 out of the planned 6 issues are out). It kind of sucks, Jessica survived the end of the series, totheark being Brian/Hoody was confirmed.
Joseph and Tim just do Twitch streams now and then. Tim sometimes does comedy sketches.
Zachary James
Contrapoints has a hell of a lot to answer for
Evan Rivera
Not yet, Tim got married to a woman. Joseph Delage (Alex Kraile) was married but got divorced.
But yeah, those guys were goons (But not troons). Tim himself used to be edgy but I think befriended Zoe Quinn of all people (So, typical goon).
Here is some of his old edginess, on tumblr of all places:
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Juan Young
Sorry, not everyone knew what happened to Marble Hornets.
Matthew Moore
Also, the Marble Hornets account got hacked and deleted by an African dude.
Bentley Green
>get arrested for flirting with your friend's younger sister (18 and 15)
>years later become minecraft youtuber and feel loved for being a loser
>even get a cute scene gf
>gf leaves you to become a camwhore sucking black dildos
>lose youtube career because people calling you pedophile
>have a mental breakdown on camera and every mocks you
>die of covid
Jason Campbell
Metokur, depending on whether you're a normal person or a teenage sociopath I guess, but gradually it turned out that he just wants to bully people in the most pathetic way.
Tyler Flores
I know he's had a comeback but is he still dying from cancer or no?
Liam Thompson
Misery loves Company.
And by misery I mean autogynophilia.
Ethan Martin
sure thing, Ralph
Hudson Davis
Absolutely. He's just a more theatrical, more retarded zero punctuation. The troon shit wasn't a surprise either. Half of his brand is playing dress up.
Brody Collins
Who's this again? Don't remember the name
Isaiah Wilson
>die of covid
i have no idea who this is but that made me kek
Elijah Jones
>He's mean big bully
No he's a pussy who's afraid of a mild cold.
Cooper Sanders
never paid much attention to this dude but laughed so hard when I randomly found out he trooned himself a few months ago
Isaac Perry
What the fuck is this real
James Green
If you're going to talk about fall from graces among Slender Man YouTube series, you have to mention Adam Rosner from TribeTwelve.
>Have a decade long YouTube horror series that's going strong.
>Get outed as a pedo groomer by multiple fans and former friends.
Night Mind guy made a whole statement about that, it's pretty insane.
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Mason Allen
Yeah he just started randomly shitting on people and making up stuff and "just asking questions" and smugly chuckling, which when you look back was all that he did in the first place, it just looked novel when he was "covering" internet people no one knew anything about like random furries and shit. With the recent downfall of Kiwifarms it just became obvious that the threads he reads are 90% bullshit, so they probably were back when he read them about everyone.
I don't get how there are so many insane people on the internet to congregate into these troll groups, back in the SomethingAwful days (before the tranny takeover) you just got together to make fun of fat people in Sailor Moon outfits at cons, not this nasty mean girls clique crap where you swat people and laugh when they die.
Zachary Mitchell
Bashurverse
Justin Gonzalez
PhilosophyTube used to have a nice smooth voice. His post-trooning falsetto is ludicrous. I'm not listening to a guy in his 30s do a weird old woman voice for 45-60 minutes non-stop.
Benjamin Cox
Yeah Jim Sterling is an unironic full-blown troon now
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Isaac King
He was also outed as being into incest and beastality
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Also, the ending for TribeTwelve was leaked.
Parker Ramirez
Metokur was always going to get flushed, the Covid stuff just accelerated it. There was no way someone with his persona could avoid the kind of degradation he’s gone through
Robert Mitchell
Why are you watching Olly anyway?
Cooper Phillips
But is he still dying or no?
Ayden Lee
"Bashurverse"
No idea who he is really, just jacked off to his gf once and then found out she became a camwhore.
Josiah Bell
didn't know Bruce Willis's daughter did youtube videos
Ryan Bennett
His vids haven't been good since the Flex tape ad.
Ian Walker
Kek I remember when people called the DigitalHomicide developer ]cute', that must have broken him
Matthew Morris
2022 YEAR OF THE SPOO-ACK
David Ross
Does Lowtax count?
Logan Richardson
Background noise, it's visually interesting and the stuff about philosophy is mostly accurate. Haven't really watched any of the troon ones - I just can't get over how silly the voice and presentation is.
Dominic Johnson
Didn't he sexually assault Contrapoints at a con or something, and she cut him out of her circle as a result?
Tyler Reed
Man I am so glad EverymanHYBRID got a proper ending.
Jayden Brown
Wow first time someone cont'd my thread. Thanks kind sir.
Zachary Kelly
Nathaniel Moore
Internet Historian’s abrupt decline in quality.
>get famous making funny yet informative videos about dumb things like HWNDU and Rainfurrest
>put in effort and research on that boat video
>suddenly can’t top boat video anymore
>make a bunch of low effort content on his alt channels
>make another main channel video on Area 51 raid
>add a 10 minute lol so random sequence of a bunch of shit that didn’t actually happen instead of just sticking to the informational shit that made him famous in the first place
Dylan James
There's a rumour that he felt up Contrapoints' tits whilst talking about potentially transitioning, but I have no idea where it came from or if it's substantiated by anything. I think someone asked ContraPoints if she was in touch with him and she said something like "that person is no longer part of my life". PhilosophyTube was always a bit of an orbiter - I don't remember him being close to any of the other breadtube people.
Carson Wood
No one knows, probably made it up for money. For some reason he's the only person people are afraid to fuck with IRL.
Eli King
I wouldn't call it a decline if it's first video he put out since his greatest video to date.
I agree the last "skit" was godawful though
Camden Cook
I remember in 2015 some dude who knew a bunch of people from the Slenderverse posted drama about them on /x/, and one post accused Adam of being a pedo even then.
Tyler Foster
did he get cancer or is it just a meme?
Oliver Cooper
Jeremiah Watson
He still gets over million views whenever he uploads a video so not really a fall from grace.
Though I agree that his stuff isn't as good as it used to be.
Christian Lewis
I wish he'd make more slightly lower-effort videos, or even some audio-only content, and only do the big full-length animated features once or twice a year. The videos where he's just chatting with his mates don't really need the animations, and it's hard to build a following when he just pops up in your sub box 2/3 times a year and you go "oh that guy, I forgot about him".
Nicholas Price
Jumped the shark with the Fader controversy
The music he reviews now is mostly terrible and I don't align with his critique anymore.
Luis James
Was never good and I look forward to him dying in some third world dump.
Noah Bailey
Same thing happened to him that happened with H3H3, if you get too close to the actual entertainment industry (For H3 its tv/film, for Fantano it was the music industry) you have to start conforming to their woke beliefs to move up in it.
If your fav YouTuber moves to Los Angeles, it's over.
James Wright
Don't know if the guy who posted Goodnight Moon ASMR is still hear but that reminded me she is the only clothed woman I've busted a nut too. I don't know there's something about her that is so attractive...I've (jokingly) posted about how she needs to start onlyfans on her videos but I get called a creep and people don't seem to like it
Jeremiah Diaz
Yeah that's another thing with The Needle Drop, it isn't just the political change (Fantano was pro-gamergate jfc), he definitely has become a poptimist.
I remember his reviews in the early 2010's he actually went against that, he was trying NOT to be like Pitchfork. But now he definitely seems more willing to give top 40 stuff better reviews.
Kevin Turner
She has an unbelievably cute face and she's one of the few ASMR people who actually knows how to do proper ASMR stuff with her voice. And she definitely has a kind of latent sexual energy in most of her videos.
Austin Edwards
Something interesting that no mentions about that Fader article, but the author it is friends with Adam Friedland from Cumtown. They've mentioned him on the podcast before.
Adrian Scott
It might work if he was doing a podcast format. But if he’s releasing videos on YouTube people kinda expect the animations. The whole hide the pain Harold avatar is a big part of his appeal, I don’t think he would be as popular if just did normal videos with his real face. So even the low effort in the field videos still kinda need a little bit of animation.
Joshua Cooper
He hires an editor for those + he fell off, the Area 51 video was a literal nothing burger
Anthony Green
He had to remove the part where the prank caller says nigger in the BattleToads episode.
Nathaniel Hughes
DigiTROON
Brandon Butler
KFC one wasn't bad. Nice of him to bring up Klaus.
Evan Morgan
Reminder that chris chan LITERALLY started the entire let's play genre, which led to the twitch/vidya youtuber franchise exploding. This is the first one ever uploaded, people hadn't thought to record themselves playing vidya prior to this, no joke.
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Maybe not a fall from grace per se, as he ascended to other fame, but the fact he's never credited with starting the entire genre always has bothered me.
Bentley Watson
Nope, Let's Plays where invented by Slowbeef on SA in the Games subforum.
Samuel Hernandez
I remember watching him back in like 2017-2018 especially his after dark channel but fell off for some reason long before he trooned out.
Christian Bailey
Pretty niche, but there was a period of time when videogames UK was an exact concoction of personalities that made it the best videogame channel by a wide margin. Obviously it could never last, they got little views even at their top, but it was amazing.
Charles Clark
He's definitely plateau'd. I think the animations have reached their peak in terms of what they can do - if they're any more elaborate/professional then you'd lose a lot of the charm and the humour in them being jankily-manipulated stock images. The Area 51 video was just a weird topic; everyone remembers that event and the details aren't that interesting. Hopefully he does at least a few more videos like The Gentleman Pirate or Cost of Concordia.
Logan Williams
People started hating him because he kicked Mumkey Jones off the PCP podcast for seemingly no reason.
Logan Gutierrez
I'm so glad that now that the specter of somethingawful is finally being purged from this site that the average poster has become less gay and furry women have become accepted.
Joshua Gutierrez
Chris Chan didn't 'start' Lets Plays - he just happened to record a video of himself gaming for his parents and it got leaked a few years later. There were almost certainly other people doing that at the time. Also fucking nobody got the idea to do their own Lets Plays from that Chris Chan video.
Matthew Bailey
can you believe that this extremely leftist male streamer ended up being outed as a sexually abusive psychopath? i personally was shocked.
also pretty funny that ALL his friends just refused to admit he ever existed after twitch banned him.
Joshua Edwards
This isn't weird at all. Just some dudes having a bit of backstage beef and just ending it. Definitely not worth several walls of text for some Slenderman production company story.
Jordan Brooks
doesn't matter. he was still the first to have actually done it. he was truly ahead of his time.
Logan White
>goes to places with amazing food
>eats only bread and hummus
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>filtered by Blade Runner
Matthew Parker
one look at it tells me all I need to know
Nathaniel Wood
He basically does that with Expleened - it's the same sort of stuff but the animation is way less elaborate and it's a lot more content of IH talking about stuff.
Hunter Watson
I think his ace in the hole is a Chris-chan series. I know someone already has a 30 part Chris-chan documentary, but I think once he runs out of ideas, Chris-chan will be his last resort idea.
Jack Lee
>EXKVA is still doing those shitty twitter polls
what the FUCK is troy doing