What did they eat

Dragon cum and Santa's ass

If I were sieging it, I would just make a snow ramp and walk over the wall.

They harvest all summer, then stock. There are literally multiple scenes where they're discussing grain and pantry storage and if it's enough for winter.

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meat, as featured in The Menu

>Mordor has a giant body of water
>NO THAT DOESN’T COUNT AS A FOOD SOURCE BECAUSE TOLKIEN DIDN’T SPECIFICALLY WRITE DOWN THE SETUP OF THE FISHERIES AND THE TAX POLICY ON SEAFOOD

>This castle is 8000 years old
>Can't find the time to nake a proper walled garden

No, it isn't supposed to be a huge castle. The North is relatively poor compared to the south.

GRRM's worldbuilding isn't bad but he does have a terrible sense of scale, both space and time-wise
>great houses are literally thousands of years old
>they somehow all pretty much just have one living family branch

who built this? the golems?

black slaves. reparations NOW Sauron

The show is retarded, in the books one of Winterfells most important features for weathering the seasons are large greenhouses heated by hot springs

In the books Winterfell is famous for three things:
1.) They've got TWO walls surrounding the place, so that if the outer wall is taken the defenders can retreat to the inner wall and keep going, making it almost impossible to take just like the other castles with their own special defences.
B.) The oldest part of the castle keep is heated by hydrothermal water running in the walls to keep it warm in winter without needing constant fires.
III.) Using the same hydrothermal water they also keep a large hothouse going for all of winter, with enough space to supply the Lord with fresh vegetables for decades of winter.

In the show they ignored all this to have cavalry charge into the undead armed with bronze weapons and then having the defences immediately breached so that each named character could stand next to a pile of corpses while one-hit-killing everything that gets close.

Mordor has vast food producing farmland around the sea of nurnen tilled by slaves.

>he actually thinks the great houses are thousands of years old
>he hasn't caught on to GRRM's myriad hints about Westeros' history being severely inflated with invented and conflicting history everywhere
GRRM is making the Phantom Time thing a real thing in his universe, either invented by the lords themselves or more likely the Maesters.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_time_hypothesis

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right, but even with just a couple hundred years of actual legit history they should have cadet branches coming out their asses

Little boxes made of ticky tacky

Yeah that actually pissed me off too when I read the books as a kid. There should be way more royals

Okay Professor X

Winterfell is supposed to be huge. Nothing to do with wealth, it's just 1000s of years old, and shit kept getting added on.

the only real explanation I guess is that westeros has been stuck in feudal mode for so long that they've gotten really good at somehow making sure non-first sons don't reproduce to avoid succession and power sharing fuckery

Not when the population keep being decimated basically every generation that sees a winter, with only the biggest most well-stocked houses surviving completely intact with no one starving to death, and even then they're liable to get fucked if they've had bad harvests. During the start of the show/books they've been living in paradise with no true winter for decades, leaving lots of time for popping out heirs and war that creates new houses, creating a cadet house boom. But the last time that those cadet houses had to survive a cruel winter that went on for ten years they died off, leaving the Lannisters and Starks etc and only their most powerful cadet houses to once again be the only ones standing, re-absorbing the land and titles handed out.

That's the reason why the fucked history isn't questioned as well. Because every other generation has ludicrous amounts of the population dying, mostly the older people who knows what happened, and so they lose their history in the same way that many people who have narrowly avoided genocide did in history. That's the same reason why they're not moving past the feudal stage.

The grains they harvested all summer.

It's been a while since I've read the books, is it ever explicitly mentioned how much the winters affect the South? Like does literally all of it become an frozen-over wasteland where you can't grow a single thing too?

If I remember correctly the south gets a normal nice winter but it goes on for years, while The North gets a winter where the snow piles higher than houses, with everyone basically going full Eskimo unless you're living in a castle like Winterfell that's designed to withstand it. Dorne might just get really cold though I guess? So too cold to grow whatever they're used to growing in Dorne, but you won't get snowdrifts and freeze to death at least.

If the South could keep growing stuff then the kingdom wouldn't have had any problems weathering winters, since the South is already the breadbasket of the kingdom and would have been able to supply everyone further North.

Gondorians actually. You would have thought that making the place next to Mordor not look evil would be a priority, but hey, that's on them.

without the permanent lack of sun and the zombie-green glow it probably doesn't look all that evil

grain. and meat. and beer. from all their niggers in the north

> If the South could keep growing stuff then the kingdom wouldn't have had any problems weathering winters, since the South is already the breadbasket of the kingdom and would have been able to supply everyone further North.
But would you be able to ship grain up north if the winter is that bad? Roads must be a nightmare, and even reaching ports must be difficult due to sea ice and winter storms

Shipping it North might be hard if you're supplying enough to feed all the serfs too, but everyone in the North except the lords and their immediate servants could easily move down south for the winter while the lords remain in their safe castles and eat their stockpiles, with so few mouths to feed it'd last plenty long enough. It's not like the South is actually strapped for living-space, all you'd need is a system for the South to let the commoners build some shacks and eat the stuff they're growing during "winters" if they can steel keep growing stuff. The Southern lords would probably like having extra labourers bringing in even more produce in taxes and the North wouldn't mind because they don't need any farmhands until the next summer.

Unless The South gets a proper winter then Westeros as a kingdom really wouldn't be affected by the winters, it would just be the North getting fucked every time while the populace flees South.

What do they eat?

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>somehow a nation with the wealth and productive capabilities of Scotland is capable of fielding and maintaining a professional army that can beat other nations that are equal to England in wealth and production

Westeros is the dumbest setting in fantasy and I hate that it's basically killed the genre for at least 20 years. At least Game of Thrones fans could say the show was enticing for 2 seasons and never took itself seriously. I don't know how the brainlet book fans convince themselves they're not idiots for liking these stupid books.

I swear they did though? The starks had Karstarks, the Tyrells were pretty much jumped up stewards so it makes sense why they don't have offshoots, the Baratheons were off shoots of Targaryens, and the Lannisters were one of the biggest houses in Westeros.

The north is really big though

Mordor and surrounding is a volanic region which makes nutrient-rich soil. Prime bread basket to feed an army. By Eru, I wish I was an Orcish farmer.

What did they eat?

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Tolkien also explicitly noted that there was farmland outside of the horrible deathzone areas.

eagles

Despite what GRRM says his books are explicitly fantastical, and it's fantastic for houses to be literally thousands of years old.

SPAGHETTI

you're telling me that is an overhead shot of this?

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>and productive capabilities of Scotland
Is Scotland full of arable land to grow food on and huge woods to log for money? The North isn't a frozen hellhole all the time, they grow tons of food during summers, only being outcompeted by the Tyrell lands.

What the fuck do they eat, Hackson?

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So that's why they couldn't take the ring to Mordor.

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Karstarks went back a long way though, I'm talking about like Ned's father. Did he have zero younger brothers that had kids? Okay what about his father, also zero younger brothers that had kids? It's weird.

In the North it's very easily explained. They send off all younger sons to The Wall, because it's seen as an honour in the North up until very recently. Why divide the land when you've got a place they can go to be fed and fight and they're not allowed to sire heirs? It's the war version of why the Catholic church made it so that priests could not marry.

The show fucked it up, the north is not supposed to be cold all year. In the first book when they go beyond the wall it's even noted that it is raining andthe woods are green. "the land of always winter" is only supposed to apply to the extreme far north where no one lives

reparashuns

Vast farmlands around the sea of Nurnen, in Nurn. And imported goods from the South.