Woah

don't get me wrong, I still think the prequels are pretty shit, but you can't just erase the best thing to come out of the end of Return of the Jedi offscreen.

Not to mention how much asspulling they had to do afterward.
>the beams were separate from Starkiller base! They didn't just randomly split in the middle of space!
>the laser tore a hole in hyperspace, that's why Finn could see it!

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but it didn't delete the USA from the world after it happened

the idea that RotJ was the final victory of good over evil forever is a special edition/prequel retcon and there's nothing in the original cut of RotJ to suggest that the Empire fell immediately after Endor.

People get so bootyblasted about the existence of the First Order and they need to know Snoke's tax policy to figure out how they built their fleet or whatever but I find it more absurd to think that the Empire just folded overnight and never once found it questionable that some part of the massive Imperial war machine continued to exist 35 years after RotJ.

Who cares about that?

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the world you grew up in no longer exists after that, so yes, the patriot act, government oversight, way media cover things, way world works all changed instantly.

Star Wars literally has never followed the laws of physics whatsoever and the entire setting breaks when you simply apply laws of motion to the space battles

that suddenly a bunch of armchair physicists suddenly got pissed off about Starkiller Base and the space bombers is bewildering

JJ thinks everything is super close to everything else and lies in eyesight in space, he did the same retarded shit in the Star Trek 2009 movie.

Just let the past die, it doesn't matter! Understanding the history of the world to understand the context and stakes? That's stupid! Nothing matters except what you're seeing on screen right now!

there's this great little thing in fiction called "suspension of disbelief," maybe you've heard of it?

Star Wars writer are obsessed with "WE ARE LE REBELS" so the good guys can always be the underdogs, the "resistance" who is always on the side of right. They think the audience will start doubting them if they're not the resistance. The Empire gets destroyed in 6 and the good guys win so the First Order is now actually the resistance against the current galactic government. But the writer wants good guys to be le resistance so he crowbars the First Order into somehow becoming stronger than the Republic and destroying it. Why? So the good guys can be le rebels again, even though it makes no sense in the story at all.

TLJ was pretty kino
Thank you for the daily reminder
Rent free nostalgiatard and enjoy your forgettable disney plus flicks

the point is that no one actually learned from the mistakes of the prequels and they just assumed making a NEW Republic would solve everyone's problems, the point of TLJ is that there needs to be an actual understanding of the past, warts and all, so that you can avoid the mistakes the last generation made but celebrate what they did right to create a better future. Mindless worship of an imagined good old days that never actually existed is why there's a First Order - it's a core tenet of reactionary, fascist thought.

Of course, it was on JJ with Episode IX to suggest what the actual solution to the mistakes of the past should be, and he completely punted the ball and just revived Sheev and tried to do RotJ again because he's a hack fraud who can't do anything but rip off what came before. Trevorow's script had its issues, but at least it tried to be a proper follow-up to Episode VIII and present some kind of tangible solution for long-term peace in the Galaxy and Balance in the Force.

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you had suspension of disbelief because you were three when you watch the OT

Woah, it’s just like…

Name three types of fires that restore things.

Let people enjoy things chudling

This is just like the insurrection

She's talking about Gnostic religion, love for knowledge and material wealth, Satanism. Kike. The whole thing about "Hope is like the sun, its real only when you can see it" The sun is satan to the freemason.

>Havewestartedthe Fire
>The Fire Rises
>For you

Nobody cares about your christcuck morals. Also the fire of knowledge is Zoroastrian. Fire in relation to hermeticism was more of a middle age alchemical addition which was already influenced by Iranian/Eastern cultures by that point.

I'm complaining about internal logic and visual consistency. I don't care that all the snow on Starkiller should melt or that everyone should die when it absorbs the sun, I just want more than 10 minutes of thought put into certain things.
Like the bomb run. Idiots complaining need to put 10 seconds of thought into "but how do they fall"

assuming there is artificial gravity inside the ship (you have to with all star wars ships) the bombs were on a rail system and forced downward. Once they entered zero g they would have kept falling downwards because they're already in motion and there's no inertia in space

there are you happy, autismo?

>the bomb run

Holy shit. I'm one of the few people on here that genuinely liked The Last Jedi, but that scene in the first 10 minutes of the movie pissed me off so fucking much.

no, I had suspension of disbelief with things like X-Wings and TIE fighters dogfighting because there were real-life analogues to what I was seeing on screen, i.e. World War II aerial combat. same with the Jedi, they are knights that use swords like the knights of western history and folklore, but also draw inspiration from eastern philosophies of meditation and some kind of lifeforce.
what's the real-life analogue to why anyone can just look up and see the Starkiller laser from anywhere in the galaxy? I can't see planets in other star systems, and the ones in our own are just dots of light in the sky. my suspension of disbelief is shattered because there's no good, real-life reason why a planet would just suddenly appear in the sky because it's being destroyed.

Why are you talking about Star Wars like it's real life. "There's nothing to suggest the Empire fell" what about the fact that it's a movie and they killed the bad guys and are all celebrating and it's the end of the movie. You fucking nerd

>Star Wars literally has never followed the laws of physics whatsoeve
absolutely true. the difference is that in OT the breaks with physics both seem plausible to a layperson (space is an ocean shit) and look cool. the whole thing runs on rule of cool, and that's fine. in the new trilogy the breaks are so implausible that even normies question them immediately, and they also look extremely lame. you can't crutch on rule of cool if nothing you're doing is actually cool.

damn, I forgot how bad this looked.
why even bother shooting the laser. if the planets are that close all those people are probably doomed anyway.

No. The concept of the first order is a shitty, chinese, toxic lead-filled knockoff of the Imperial Remnant. Something that existed a decade before the prequels started. People are booty blasted because they made the first order giga powerful inexplicably with huge fleets and super weapons, made the new republic incompetent idiots with no military that get destroyed easily, and made the main characters all regress into losers. All because they wanted rebels v empire again and to have all the main characters play out the exact same arcs.

The Imperial Remnant was still dangerous but didn't have near enough ships to challenge the New Republic. They were small fleets of various Imperial commanders and admirals who turned warlords and started carving out their own little feifdoms while New Republic tried to mop them up. They didn't even work together, but were out for themselves. The New Republic was competent and functional. Leia was a respectable leader. Han was a respectable General. Luke had an actual working Jedi academy.

But no, let's start the movie trilogy decades after, everyone's dumb losers who never achieved anything with their hard won victory and we're going to replay the OT movies beat for fucking beat. And let's make sure it doesn't go anywhere and end in the most unsatisfying ridiculous way possible.

The Republic was a corrupt greedy oligarchy. Why do leftists unironically support it?

>crying about EU shit

fuck off, no one took away your books loser

There was nothing wrong with Empire if insane Siths were not at the top

they really really really wanted this to be a thing. Like they were expecting nerds to quote this

Like really its like 5 years now and TLJ is the only content sw fags can talk about
Shows how good TLJ is and how bad the muhluuuuke nostalgiatard driven disney plus reddit dogshit really is

We are cardano, and if you’ll permit us, we’d like to change the world.

Muh democracy

five planets right next to each other that you could see all in one frame apparently
must not have been a very large solar system
also fuck tranny mods banning me for saying an actress hit the wall. seriously wtf

I have no idea what the fuck disney is going to do when all their star wars tv shows start to get closer to Force Awakens

no they are actually just better movies. i know people who never saw OT as kids and became fans after finally seeing it as adults

>The Republic was flawed
>Therefore we need a fascist space empire that murders billions just to make a point

Sheev was the cause of most of the Republic's problems in the waning days of the regime anyway lmao

Star Wars: Into Darkness

This is such a clunky one liner, and clearly just written to be on shirts and mugs

They will create a new trilogy

I mostly agree with you, actually. Rian was clearly trying to get away from this Rebels vs. Empire conflict for most of TLJ, until the end battle when it's just Rebels vs. Empire again, and tried to put emphasis on some semblance of understanding the past. One of the many problems of TLJ, however, is that Rian himself doesn't understand the past, or at least didn't want to get into the specifics of it.
>What, SPECIFICALLY, caused the rise of the First Order?
>What, SPECIFICALLY, caused the Republic to ignore the First Order?
>What, SPECIFICALLY, caused Ben's fall to the Dark Side?
>What, SPECIFICALLY, caused Luke to pull out his lightsaber on Ben?
No specifics are laid out anywhere. We're just told to accept many years of history that would probably make for a more interesting film than what we got, but we didn't. This was mostly JJ's fault of course, essentially starting TFA in media res on this conflict and not establishing enough history in the film itself, instead leaving too much to ambiguity so comic, book, game, show, and future film writers could fill in the blanks for him. Rian could have done much more to fill in the blanks himself if he actually tried, but he didn't, instead saying "fuck all of this, it doesn't mean anything."

Democracy is retarded

>What, SPECIFICALLY, caused the rise of the First Order?
Manchildren worshipping of Space Fascism, they can't deal with their issues in the present so they worship an idealized past that never really existed. Go research ANY fascist movement and it's all there.

>Caused the Republic to ignore the First Order
They didn't understand their full capabilities AND they wanted to avoid another full-scale war. It's meant to be like Europe's appeasement of Hitler in the lead-up to World War II. There were scenes going a bit more in-depth with this dynamic in TFA but they were all cut because JJ felt it wasn't necessary to the actual emotional and dramatic stakes of the story.

>caused Ben's fall to the dark side
Angry, insecure kid who felt he could never live up to the legacy of his famous family, compounded with abandonment issues from his parents not being around that often, and while they sent him to train with Luke in an attempt to help him he felt they were just dumping him with his weird uncle. Snoke started communicating with him telepathically through the Force, and told him if he turned to the Dark Side and started acting like Grandpa Vader he could be a big bad Dark Sider and everyone would respect him - and when Luke pulled his lightsaber on him in his sleep, he felt he had no choice but to go all-in with evil.

>caused luke to pull out his lightsaber on Ben
Luke watched the prequels and saw how a moody Skywalker destroyed the Jedi from within, and when he finds that Ben was conspiring with Snoke and all of this was happening all over again, he panicked and briefly considered doing some heinous for the perceived greater good.

This is all in the movies, I have never read a star wars book and I never will

People are only asshurt over the First Order because they're MORE POWERFUL than the Empire was at its peak, despite the First Order being the literal dregs and sloppy second remains of the Empire.
It makes no fucking sense that the Rebels destroyed the 2nd Death Star, establish a Republic, then decide "welp that's that, time to disband our military and not go after the Imperial Remnants."
It would've been great if the Disney Trilogy was about the Empire Remnants being the "New Rebels" and the Republic being the powerful military force. Explore Leia's new role in the Republic. Explore how Luke tries to recreate the Jedi Order. Explore how Han Solo grapples with leaving behind his old life to go straight or slip back into old habits. It would've been an interesting inversion of roles to see the plucky rebels turned into governors and leaders of a New Republic and the new challenges that come with governance. Not everyone will want to accept them. People may be wary of Luke and the Jedi because of what the Sith and Inquisitors did.

But no, the First Order has to be BIGGER AND BADDERER AND MORE POWERFUL WITH A GAJILLION DEATH STARS AND ALSO PALPATINE IS BACK AND REY IS ALL OF THE JEDI!

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This is the you liked TLJ but you are desperately forcing yourself to hate it
This is if you watch TLJ with your brain on

I wonder who inspired this character

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Jar Jar Abrams' creativity and originality happened.

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These movies suck, some trying to intelledtualize them.

The Republic sucked though.

They are the ones that depowered and defunded their military, saying they will solve all conflicts with peace and words. And they let the First Order go into power.

There is literally no reason for the Republic to exist.

>and not go after the Imperial Remnants
but the exact remnants that left jakku to create the first order years later went into the unknown regions! there's no possible way of tracking them or sending a search party in that dangerous uncharted area!!
while not the in-universe reason, that's the "best" explanation you are going to get for it.

why didn't France and Britain invade Germany when Hitler began re-arming and openly proclaiming that he would seize the territory that the German Empire lost after WW1?

real life has such bad writing

None of this is in the movies, literally none. It is all stuff that is alluded to through a few lines of dialogue, but it's not enough. That's my point, is that the history is not clear so understanding the motivations of the Republic, First Order, Kylo Ren, and Luke Skywalker is left up to the interpretation of the viewer. It is a far cry from A New Hope, where character motivations and worldbuilding are clearly established from start to finish because we SEE these things happen as they happen. Of course, this is because in 1977 they had set out to make one complete story with just a slight possibility of future stories. With the way Star Wars is set up now, no one wants to make a complete story because other people can come in and fill in the blanks.
I don't hate TLJ, there's a lot I like about it. But you have to be joking if you think TLJ wasn't filled with holes and problems. Rian took the same approach as JJ, hoping that all the ambiguity left by his film would be filled in by someone else.