It's been 17 years and OTfags still can't get over the fact that Lucas refused to pander to them

It's the only Star Wars prequel shot on film, and it shows.

Nope, the prequels whole story of mixing space politics with the realistic corruption and fall of a messiah figure is directly ripped from Dune. Cope more prequelfag.

You retarded manchildren still watch these shitty soulless cartoons?

Dunefags are giving WH40k nerds a run for their money with how obnoxious they are.
The stories have been around since antiquity.

I'm sorry.

>the original fall and redemption story is from fucking Dune

Have you people literally only ever read one book?

>ESB that low
Giga-pleb taste

Were you a toddler when these movies came out or something? Palpatine wasn't a secret or a reveal. Everyone knew about it for years since before TPM even came out.

No ESB is most popular among non Star Wars fans who wish the series was more of a serious sci-fi action than it ever really tries to be.

I like putting TESB at the bottom at the list because it makes Redditors seethe.
It's still an excellent film, but something has to end up at the bottom of the list.

I was 27 at the time and don't remember it being common knowledge, but then I was working, not spending all my time on message boards. How old were you when TPM came out and where did you hear about that first?

Hes extremely based

>i-it's bad on purpose
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>it's bad
It isn't though

The Prequels Are Better Movies Than You Deserve

Right, it's the fans' fault they they're terrible, when you think about it.

Not the guy you are talking to, but I was 14 when it came out and I was well aware who Palestine was, i don’t know where I heard it originally, but in the EU books I know Palpatine was the emperor, so when the movies came out revealing who he was it wasn’t a shock at all. That said, you couldn’t trust that Lucas would follow what was going on in the EU, so it might have worked out fill differently.

cope

Then why are episode 2 and 3 filled with retarded fan service?

I watched the prequels again recently, I'll never understand the hate they got.

I'll tell you what happened. Retarded Gen-Xers saw original Star Wars as kids, and when the Prequels finally came out, they were too old for kids films.
Ask any Warsfag what he wants Star Wars to be? They'll likely answer that they want it to be an R-rated violencefest.

>the reveal that Palpatine is who created Anakin
That didn't happen user, Palpatine just told an old legend that the Jedi don't talk about, because of course they don't, why would they?

Dunno how star wars could get any more violent. Maybe add buckets of blood. They're cutting off heads and slicing people up. Tons of people die in each movie.

ESB being that high up as a matter of course is a literal boomer meme, a taken-for-granted truth. But I've never heard anyone present a coherent argument as to why ESB is the best.

>carefully grooming him by leaving him as a slave on a desert planet
what if one day watto needed money and sold his organs? great plan palpatine

OTfags would get rid of all humor, they'd add more gore and more foul language.

people were literally falling asleep in the theater an hour in
the whole building was screaming and yelling at the lucasfilm logo then the movie was so bad they dozed off

>But I've never heard anyone present a coherent argument as to why ESB is the best
BECAUSE IT'S DARKEST ONE DUHHH

That’s because you’ve spent the last two decades watching CGI filled garbage written for teens who can’t resist checking their phone for 10 minutes and have become used to such “movies”.
The prequels were bad, cape shit is bad and you’re a faggot.

>They'll likely answer that they want it to be an R-rated violencefest.
But we already know what they want from their complaints and fan-edits: remove all criticism of the Jedi, remove all the alien supporting characters for being "too annoying (ethnic)", and therefore change the message to that the Jedi all die because they were "too weak" instead of being complicit and evil.

Ohhh you misunderstand. Yeah Palpatine being the emperor was always common knowledge. It's even the same actor from RotJ which makes it so much better.

It's the reveal in RotS that Palpatine learned how to use the force to create life, thus revealing his hand in Anakin's miraculous birth. That bit I hadn't heard speculated anywhere.

Lucas is a successful indi filmmaker and people who want to be can't get over the fact he was and they're not. It's why RLM had a meltdown over the prequels
Also reminder that pic related was from Lucas and is more proof he's a real filmmaker as well as proof that cg additions can be beneficial

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It very much did, it's what Phantom Menace is all about. That's why it's called the Phantom Menace.

>Dune
Dune is gay and fails as a result.
Lucas made dune not gay and actually enjoyable hence star wars succeeds

He surely had agents carefully watching his growth. It's why the Jedi are called by him to negotiate a trade dispute that he is playing both sides of in the first place.

>he made some garbage movie that no one likes
wow, amazing

it's cool that's your headcanon but I'm talking about the movie

This.

You've really misunderstood the scene.

Palpatine is telling the story to entice Anakin with the possibility of these theoretically existing life-creating powers, and the moral of the story itself about power and trust tells us quite a bit about Palpatines character as well.

But to conclude that Palpatine has these powers and used them to set the whole series in motion, and never using this power (the sequels and EU don't count), is simply idiotic.

For me
ANH > ESB > TPM > Rots = RotJ > Aotc
That said I ESB is in many ways a prettier film than ANH thanks to its budget

I wish we'd gotten pic related at some point but that'd mean ANH failed

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Cringe. Only redditors care about
>muh fanbases
Get a better argument
Absolutely not, but it was the first to tell the rise and fall story of a sci fi messiah from a desert world he leads a race of genetically engineered soldiers to dominate the universe
>popular=good
Like I said, he removed the only good part of the story which is the worm-man incel

>makes three movies that are entirely memes
how did he do it?

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He's a good writer and his dialogue is better than people give him credit for.

Meds.

Yeah George Lucas really showed us by making three horrendously shitty movies.

>imagine still hating on the prequels in 2022
RLM is the worst thing that has happened to film criticism.

Nah, I had all this soft confirmed by a very good source a few years back. Text dump coming from another time in cause I have Easter family shit to get to. This is what's really going in TPM

We open with our titular hero, the plucky and ambitious Sith lord Mr. Sheev Palpatine. Who after having bumped off his former master is looking spread his wings and do like any good Sith, destroy the Jedi and take over the galaxy. Which fortunately he has a very handy tidbit of knowledge in having learned a technique for using the Force to create life. He also surely knows about a certain prophecy that tells of such a child who is destined to bring balance to the Force. And probably thinking he's better at math than the Jedi looks at the galaxy being full of them while there are only a handful of Sith and thinks he might make it work out in his favor.

He's sharp though and knows that a child created like that is going to come out like we see Anakin in episode 1. Incredibly smart, talented in many ways and brimming with positivity and light side energy. So he has a problem. How do you ensure that baby space Jesus will grow up to become teenaged space Hitler? Well for starters you don't raise him on your idealic home world of Naboo that's for sure. No, you have him be born into slavery (to someone immune to Force influence for good measure) on one of the shittiest planets in the galaxy run by crime lords and gambling, so he gets to grow up seeing every day just how corrupt the Republic is and how little anyone out there cares about what happens to people stuck in the outer rim.

I just rewatched TPM yesterday, it's 10x as bad as I remember it. Horrible cgi hasn't aged well.

Then at just the right age you have him be discovered by a couple of space wizards who will recognize how special he is and tell him he is destined to be a great space wizard himself, maybe even the greatest of all. Who will be able to free the slaves and bring goodness and justice to the galaxy like has always dreamed. Meanwhile at the same time you let him meet a literal queen from another world (Naboo having conveniently elected a pretty and charismatic young woman to be their new leader), by leaps and bounds the most beautiful being he has ever laid eyes on and will inevitably start falling for... And what he doesn't know yet but will soon be told, is part of the price you have to pay for getting to be a great space wizard who can save the galaxy is you will forever be forbidden to fall in love. Have fun with that, kid!

I get that it's implied in the "canon", but in the movies that simply does not happen, despite being a pretty big deal.

It's a fantasy, a retcon, written by retarded people who didn't get the films, and eaten up even bigger retards

TMP has more practical effects than the entirety of the Original Trilogy, you lying fuck.

>I watched the prequels again recently, I'll never understand the hate they got.
You can't figure out why people disliked Jar-Jar Binks? The two Anakin actors who had zero acting ability? The insanely retarded plot? The hamfisted REPUBLICANS BAD shit? The fact that Luke and Leia's mom was basically a groomer child molester? The endless annoying ROGER ROGER robots? The idea that an entire army of war robots can be killed by hitting "the command ship"? The idea that a 6 year old could pilot a fighter aircraft/spacecraft effectively in combat? The idea that the Republic controls the entire galaxy but they don't take Republic credits on Tattooine or have banks that exchange them? The idea that you can't even place a collect fucking call from Tattooine to Coruscant? How about the Jedi having a literal security camera with audio in Palpatine's office but never noticing that he conducts Sith lord shit in there from time to time?

Many more problems with the prequels but let's start with these.

So with the pieces in place, all Sheev has to do is become his secular advisor, turning the screws while he points out how those hypocritical Jedi aren't as perfect as they pretend to be and how terrible it is he and Padme will never be able to love in the open. Before he knows it Anakin will be out there slaughtering younglings like it's Christmas morning.

>Like I said, he removed the only good part of the story which is the worm-man incel
like i said dune is gay and thats why it always fails

And that's the Phantom Menace, the first steps of Palpatine's almost successful plan to destroy the Jedi from within by giving giving them their chosen one and then turning him to the dark sidep. And that's why the movie opens with Jedi being called to oversee a trade dispute. Something even they think is weird, but even weirder when you consider the guy who called them is the one playing both sides against each other to cause the dispute in the first place. It's partly to show the early stages of him planning his war, but mostly because it's simply where our real heros enter the story. They were never there to negotiate the dispute. The only reason they were called there is so they'd get tangled up in things and end up stranded on the planet where they need the help of a bumbling but seemingly friendly native. But who will manipulate things, worm his way into their lives and be able to fuck with their ship (which you see him do in the movie) forcing them to stop on Tatooine where a perfectly aged Anakin is waiting to be discovered. By the end of the movie he has everything he wants, and that ending shot is of a hopeful bright eyed kid who just saved the day and is dreaming of becoming a great hero, yet having no clue he's standing next to the most powerful Sith in the galaxy who has been planning this moment for years, and he's never going to grow up to be a great hero. He's going to grow up to be Darth Fucking Vader.

>no one likes
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean no likes it

I've never watched a single episode of the gay RLM friend simulator. I've hated the prequels since the beginning. I stood in line with my dad for two hours just to get a ticket to The Faggot Menace and then got bombarded with one of the worst movies ever made.

The only meaningful difference between TPM and Plan 9 From Outer Space is that TPM had ILM doing the special effects, but even those are pretty shitty and Windows 98-tier. Star Trek II came out 15 years before TPM and had FAR better ILM effects.

>the first steps of Palpatine's almost successful plan to destroy the Jedi from within by giving giving them their chosen one and then turning him to the dark sidep
user, that's absolutely retarded and ignores all the shit that palpatine actually does to get the Jedi and nabooians (and Anakin) killed, or the fact that they get to tatooine by mistake, or the fact that Maul almost slices his head off.

You are 100% retarded and living in a dream world.

Great points but here's what I hate the most. Palpatine's goal is to rule the galaxy. He and his apprentice literally rule 100% of the galaxy. Everybody is either on Team Republic or Team CIS. So why didn't they just do a merger?

Don't forget Obi Wan and Liam Neeson using JEDI RUN REAL FAST at the beginning of TPM but then totally forgetting it in the Maul battle, literally costing Liam Neeson his life.

Nothing wrong with any of that.

It's ok to have bad taste, user. It's not ok to REEEEE when other people don't.

Misdirection. Ahmed Best confirmed to me himself. I know you won't believe me and TPM and the prequels are clumsy in many ways but that was the vision.

Not an argument.

>TMP has more practical effects than the entirety of the Original Trilogy

Oh those look dumb too. More doesn't equal better.