Why didn't Pontius Pilate simply tell the crowd to fuck off and protect Jesus?

>...a massively popular celebrity whose death could destabilize the entire region
Where in the gospels is this even remotely suggested? The passion story stresses how everyone who knew Jesus pretended not to and how know one willingly lifted a finger to help him once he was condemned to death

Also:
>Mark and Luke refer to Barabbas as an anti-Roman rebel
>Pilate releases him under minimal pressure
lmao there's no way in hell

idk but he stole the show as far as acting goes

This, but only after years of trying to use Israel as an outpost in the middle-east and thinking of them as their greatest ally. America wasn't the first to try this, and it never works out well for either side.

Because (((Christianity))) is a Jewish psyop they cooked up to bring down the Roman Empire from within

Peter tries to take things into his own hands but Jesus said they couldn't fight them

Yeah. The Romans did it all the time. If they caught even the slightest whiff of rebellion, particularly from a notoriously problematic province like Judea they would just nail up as many people as it took to make the problem go away.

In the eyes of Roman law he was guilty of seditio - rebellion against the Roman state by claiming the title of King of the Jews - the punishment for which was automatic death by crucifixion. He wasn't a Roman citizen so there would be no trial or process to speak of. The Roman governor of Judea at the time basically governed Jerusalem and its environs through the proxy of the Jewish council. So if they brought him someone who they said 'Hey this guy is stirring up trouble against Rome' they'd just have taken their word for it.

The absolute LAST thing they would have done would have held a huge trial where his supporters could gather and potentially start a riot or worse a rebellion. Especially since the Jews were very prone to rioting, and ESPECIALLY during Passover (see the incident where a Roman soldier mooned a Jewish mob and 10,000 people died).

>see the incident where a Roman soldier mooned a Jewish mob and 10,000 people died
Passion sequel when?

do we like the atheist guy?

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>lmao there's no way in hell
You overestimate how much Rome could afford to care about every little dissident. You think you could walk down a street in Jerusalem without finding a dozen "anti-Roman rebels"? Rome didn't maintain order in occupied territories by executing everyone who didn't like them.
Moreover, why would the Gospels include this detail about Barabbas if there was no precedent for such a pardoning? Wouldn't that indicate to literally everyone in Jerusalem that the Gospels were lying?

How many people did Christ feed with bread and fishes near Bethsaida? Was it five people? If you're going to edgelord autistically between reps of your ABA training from grandma's basement, maybe read a few verses first

>Moreover, why would the Gospels include this detail about Barabbas if there was no precedent for such a pardoning? Wouldn't that indicate to literally everyone in Jerusalem that the Gospels were lying?
Good point
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>If you're going to edgelord autistically between reps of your ABA training from grandma's basement, maybe read a few verses first
I don't know what this means and I don't care to find out
Dilate

ignore who is speaking, listen the argument from 0:00 to 1:20
youtube.com/watch?v=Gzif0afjN5A

>But they would riot
But this was a legitimate reason. The riots that had to be put down by Vespasian, Titus, and Hadrian are proof enough of how annoying subduing an angry mob of stubborn jews was for the Romans.

Why would you not execute an upstart Jew? The real stupid part of this myth is a Roman governor saying "oh no, there's too many jews that need executing, I can't possibly execute all of them". The real problem is not executing enough jews

Because the Gospels were written 30-50 years after Jesus' death for a bunch of country hick religious fanatics who believed the world was literally going to end in their lifetimes. The earliest Christians were not the sort of people who would care or even notice that the finer points of Roman law was not adhered to.

Like we know for example that crucifixion victims were always left to hang for several days or even weeks as an example and deterrent. That was literally the point of crucifixion. Yet Jesus was allowed to be taken down from the cross immediately after death? The Gospels hand waves it as 'out of respect for Jewish law' because it was Passover. But why would the Romans give a fuck about Jewish religious law which they regularly treated with contempt?

Christ was on the same watchlist as Spartacus, who also got crucified. There's no way Pontius could catch him only to release him immediately. Also it was written.

>Be a Jew
>Be a Roman citizen
>Be a fed
>Use insider knowledge of Jews to entrap them
>Catch Jewish troublemakers for the Romans
>Realize it doesn't work with Christians, because they thrive on martyrdom
>Suddenly have a vision and become a Christian
>Convince the actual Christians you're for real
>End up writing most of the New Testament even though you never met Jesus IRL
>Realize this stuff could actually revitalize the bloated and hedonistic empire
>Go rogue and start converting gentiles
>Use insider knowledge of Roman feds to subvert them
>Try to take over the empire with Christian mind-virus
>Get caught
>Die
>Christianity goes on without you and does exactly what you set it up to do
>Church outlives the empire itself and continues spreading Christianity mixed with the Roman state religion
>Be Romano-Jewish rogue fed who posthumously made the Roman empire immortal by subverting it with a Jewish psyop disguised as a Roman psyop disguised as a Jewish cult

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Why would the Romans give a shit? Jesus deserved it anyway.

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What did he do wrong?

why did the romans even want the jews
you know they somehow got off from paying taxes, lying or some other way
and they constantly kept rebelling
just kill them all
hadrian should have finished the job
juden

For literally the same reason chauvin got convicted.

you got this Jesus guy, he's pretty harmless. actually tells his followers to pay taxes
>render unto Caesar

however the Jews really hate this guy for whatever reason. they about ready to chimp out. you being the governor don't want a revolt. Tiberius is kind of a dick and won't look too kindly on you if a revolt breaks out.
so you give the Jews a choice between a terrorist or Jesus. they choose the terrorist and you wash your hands of the whole thing. You gave them their chance and they chose.

Pilate wasn't going to stick his neck out for an innocent man but he didn't want the guilt of it either. He left that choice up to the Jews

>People who seethe at him still have no explanation for why all the accounts of Jesus' resurrection are different
Based.

Literally called himself 'King' - he set himself up as an alternative to Roman political authority. And no the Romans would not give a damn for the subtleties of his 'my kingdom is not of this Earth' bullshit. You could get away with a lot in Roman law but one thing they would absolutely fuck you up for was sedition.

But then why did the jews tell Pontias Pilate that Jesus was telling his followers not to pay tax? Isn’t that weird?

He caused a ruckus and wasted precious Roman time. Nobody has time for uppity jews, especially not Romans.

>The absolute LAST thing they would have done would have held a huge trial
The gospels never say there was a huge trial. It was an entirely behind closed doors affair.

>closed doors affair
>jews shouting and demanding to pilate that he should crucify jesus
the gospels are retardedly inconsistent

I'll just leave this here
youtube.com/watch?v=d_dOhg-Fpu0

He caved to the mob. Another LESSON WE CAN ALL LEARN FROM OUR LORD AND SAVIORS PASSION

Because the sanhedron wanted him gone for preaching heresy. Romans could give a shit. Render unto Caesar and all that

>But why would the Romans give a fuck about Jewish religious law which they regularly treated with contempt?
Because it would be a minor concession in a rebellion-prone region

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>I'm not going to kill you
>But yes you can use my soilders to do it

>Jewish leadership to execute a massively popular celebrity
This isn't even true within the context of the Gospels themselves. The people of Jerusalem are literally given the choice between executing Jesus or Barnabas and they choose the former. Jesus was popular with the fringes, not with the masses

I swear, that passage where a Jew is kvetching over the wording of the sign Pilate hung on the cross is exactly the kind of bullshit semantic argument they still pull to this fucking day.

>Literally called himself 'King'
He did not. Others did on his behalf, and even then they called him the King of the Jews. The Jews already had a king in Herod II. The Romans even asked him what he wanted to do about Jesus and he said he couldn't find a reason to execute him. The Romans were fine with Client Monarchs as long as they paid taxes and didn't start shit.

>I won’t kill you
>But I don’t have to save you
Bravo Nolan

>claims to be the messiah (pretty much king)
>gets killed by the romans for rebellion
shocking

>name is JeSus
>sus for over 2000 years now
who wrote this shit

>claims to be the messiah (pretty much king)
He did no such thing. Others claimed this on his behalf and he did not contradict them, but those words never passed his lips. And this was for a reason that most Christians continue to not understand

His name was Yahusha. Jesus is his Roman fanfic title

>what is the messiahnic secret
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Secret

Man failed to uphold justice. That's what it truly meant. Rome decided one life was worth preventing who knows how many in an ensuing uprising. Logical? Maybe. But a robot could come to the same conclusion, the point being it isn't human. Rome, the height of all mankinds achievement and order at the time, was entirely a failure to show what is morally. objectively correct.

Because that's the point. That's the world without God. They cannot replace God's perfect judgment and authority. They allowed the manifestation of truth to be crucified. Hence the irony of Pilate asking Jesus "What is truth?", when he was looking at it in the face. This penalty wasn't in vain though. Jesus Christ took the sin of all that was and will be to the grave.

God came down into manhood and came up again when He rose the grave, bringing mankind up with Him. The fall of man stemming from Adam and Eve has been corrected. The promise God gave to Adam and Eve in the very beginning, that there would be a seed of the woman (Christ born of the virgin Mary) who would crush the head of the serpent and redeem them. That was fulfilled in Christ. For now the devil has no authority to condemn man for his sins. There's nothing anyone can do to take that away, or to earn it another way. It's eternal life, and it's a gift. All you have to do is accept it.

That's why it's called the good news.

>and also my soldiers are going to torture you first

>christians claim this book to be the word of god
>doesn't even know who wrote them
>some scribes edit and add entire stories just for shits and giggles
the whole religion is just comedy gold

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
this story right here where jesus saved a woman by telling people to cast the first stone if they haven't sinned is totally fabricated

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Yes retard, that's why the guy running around calling himself Messiah(who is supposed to be king of the Jews) got murdered without a second thought. Even if others were ascribing it to him, he would be killed anyway for threatening Herod's rule, and therefore Rome's.

>execute a massively popular celebrity
Yeah, so popular Christianity had to start in Italy where no one ever heard of or saw his magic tricks with plants, instead of in the place it supposedly happened.

You're responding to a jew.

Because it's a fictional story you brainlet. No such thing ever happened.