Are the Star Trek films worth watching...

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Dude, 5 is regarded the fuckin worst of the original movies. It completely throws out the themes of the earlier films (that the crew are getting older and coming to terms with it) and plays out like a campy 60s episode.

The rule is; Odds suck, Evens are good.
2, 4 and 6 are the best of the original films.
3 has its moments and serves as a decent middle movie of the trilogy between 3 and 4.
1 is a slow burn Space Odyssey knock off with a paper thin plot painfully stretched out to feature movie length. It has its charm with the characterization of the main players though.

>Dude, 5 is regarded the fuckin worst of the original movies. It completely throws out the themes of the earlier films
...and it's still lightyears ahead of any NuTrek.

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1 is basically just Phase 2 and is a long episode that's kinda boring.
2 is a legitimately great film even if half the plot is just cribbing off of Moby Dick (but it actively acknowledges and plays into that instead of hiding it)
3 is not bad, the idea that odds suck and evens good does not apply here. It is basically a long TOS but it's a good TOS episode, more or less defined who the Klingons were from TNG onwards, and imo Kruge is one of the most underrated villains in the franchise with Lloyd completely knocking it out of the park with his performance
4 is FUN. I don't need to say anything beyond that, it's just fun.
5 is so bad it nearly killed Star Trek, but it has 1 really good scene in it.
6 is cheesy and hamfisted but I really enjoy it

>4 was cute and stupid and non-Trek people liked it
Yeah but at the same time, 4 is the only point in history where it was still what we call Star Trek AND it had mass appeal beyond Trekkers. Everyone went to see ST4

>...and it's still lightyears ahead of any NuTrek.
Not him but Beyond was almost there, it actually felt like oldTrek and was a decent film so I got the feeling that maybe this was going to be the start of something great, then they stopped making the films.

I'll go into TNG as well while I'm here. Generations needs its own post because I feel the need to defend it. Generations COULD have been good, but there were all of those decisions that were handed down by the company. Kirk had to be in it and die, passing of the torch had to be in it, Enterprise had to be destroyed, etc etc. The more years that go by, the more I reckon they did the best they could with the shit that was handed down to them. Not sure what else they could have done to get the two captains together aside from maybe use one of the original script ideas where the way Kirk died was sacrificing himself piloting the saucer section to save the Enterprise-D.

I've thought about Generations a lot of the years as a 'how could this be better' kind of thing and yeah, it's just stuck with too many things it had to do, and far too much subverting expectations crap, to be much more than what they did with it. You can fix stuff like have them all in proper uniforms not half DS9 ones for no reason, you could beef up the Klingons aspect by giving them a decent ship so there could be a proper space battle. Bring back a lot the cut scenes... but none of this would fix those core problems, it's just papering over the cracks a bit better and this was already a script that they went back and forth on for ages in development, as compared to All Good Things that they banged out the script for in record time.

Wrath of Khan (2nd movie) is pretty good. It's like a duel between two navy captains, in space. Some great scenes. The Motion Picture (first movie) is also ok, great special effects, but slow paced like it's trying to copy 2001 a space odyssey.
There's one of the movies, I think it's the 4th one, where they time travel to modern day (1980's) san fransisco to save the whales, and it's really cheesy but worth a watch for the comfy cheese factor. It's a genuinely fun movie, b-tier, but high budget b-tier.
The rest are basically skippable.
The JJ Abrams ones are unironically kind of fun.

As for the other TNG films
Despite some people's opinions, I really do like First Contact, I think it's a genuinely fun, well-made movie. However in hindsight it is the ultimate harbinger of things to come because this movie was the start of Patrick Stewart's demand to be the big action hero and showing that despite playing Picard for 7 seasons with fairly consistent characterization, he does not understand Picard as a character. Good movie, bad Picard in it.
Insurrection is a TNG episode but it's a really bad TNG episode, the only thing of note is when you pay attention to background stuff and realize this is going on during the Dominion War and the bad guys are actively producing Ketracel White for the Jem-Hadar.
Nemesis is actually a good action movie, however it is such an absolutely godawful Star Trek movie that the action no longer matters.

Tangentially related, the late Michael Piller wrote an excellent book about the perils of writing by committee, and screenwriting generally, chronicling the making of Insurrection.

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Yeah I've read it. Also I was looking into why Generations had half the crew in DS9 uniforms and half not, and it's a funny story. They designed a whole set of new uniforms, began filming, then a couple of weeks into the shoot the producers said, "gee, we're worried there's going to be too many unfamiliar elements in this movie that might put audiences off, can we go back to the old uniforms?" But then they didn't have enough TNG uniforms to meet the demands of a movie's casting and scheduling. And they couldn't afford to spend the money on making ANOTHER set of brand new costumes, so they had to borrow costumes from DS9. But there weren't enough DS9 costumes going spare either, so they had to mix and match, even with the same actor (so Frakes is left wearing Avery Brooks' costumes for some scenes, even though the sleeves aren't long enough for his sasquatch-esque frame).
All to avoid having too many 'new elements' in the movie where the TNG crew, on the TNG ship, team up with Captain Kirk, to beat the Duras sisters and an El-Aurian, Data's finally using the emotion chip, Picard's deeply disturbed by a tragedy with Robert and the vineyard, etc. The change was even so late into the production that the toys for the movie have the TNG cast wearing those scrapped costumes. It's such a great microcosm of how fucking incompetent Paramount were with late-90s Trek; pointless decisions implemented for retarded reasons in the most self-destructive ways possible.

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If you're curious, this is what the Generations uniforms were supposed to look like. It's like a TNG version of the TOS movie uniforms. Except without the British Empire flare that made those uniforms good

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Insurrection is a great TNG ep til the final patrick stewart action scene.

I mean it also has a really fucking retarded message regarding the Space Amish

>space amish
retirees, i.e. patrick stewart

He wasn't even that old when Insurrection came out, he was 58 and in amazing shape. He was in better shape the previous year than I've been in nearly a decade.

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>skipping the motion picture
>skipping search for spock
>first contact being there at all

for fucking shame, I am surprised you don't love LL like those fucking trannies.

Picard isn't an action hero. It's the exact opposite of why people like him.

>Picard isn't an action hero
Yes but unfortunatrly Patrick Stewart desperately wants to be one

Watch two through four as a trilogy

and thats the message of the space amish retirees
>kirk has a slow arc about his acceptance of middle/old age
>picard decides to get a tattoo and a dune buggy and become an action star

>and a dune buggy
Fuck don't remind me of that shit. God Nemesis is so fucking stupid

Undiscovered Country
Search for Spock
Voyage Home
Wrath of Khan
Motion Picture
Generations
Final Frontier
Insurrection
ST09
Nemesis
ST09 second sequel
First Contact
ST09 first sequel

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Motion Picture directors edition is pretty fucking amazing

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>low budget
Huh?

I watched 5 again recently and I liked that it was somewhat reminiscent of an original series episode. And I think Spock, Kirk and Bones talked about getting old. Anyway, the hate for it is overblown. Sybok was a pretty good character.

>Enterprise had to be destroyed
I never knew this was a mandate. Why? E was a step down.

i'm a genfag so i've only seen generations movies

you got the absolute worst of it, TOS films are better than TOS+TNG+DS9 series combined

i know there was only one good movie

>one

first contact friend

i'm so sorry

Yeah the Kirk-Spock-Bones banter was top-tier in Final Frontier, and Scotty had some prime time too.
Because Generations was closure to the TNG series. I disliked it too and Enterprise-E was trash but it was obviously a way to close out the show and "reboot" for a new film franchise.
My condolences.
It's terminal. There is only one option left for you.

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1 - Outstanding, ultra underrated, best score in movie history.
2 - One of the best SF action movies ever made.
3 - Not great but has some great scenes and a good Horner score.
4 - Super dated but fun.
5 - Utter shit.
6 - Good but not much rewatch value. Pretty shallow.
7 - PLOT HOLES.
8 - Best Next Gen movie, not saying much.
9 - Utter shit.
10 - I like it, stonking space battle scenes but not really a Star Trek movie.

Probably because they had to build a new model anyway. None of the studio models for the TV series were fit for a motion picture production. I think the biggest problem was the design itself; the giant saucer section made it so forward heavy that there weren't enough places for mounting points for special effect shots required by a major motion picture. Notice that they recycled a shot from the fucking TV series in Generations.

I don't have any problem with the E. It's a far better design that the horrid D. D was always an abortion from ep1 of Next gen and always will be.

5 has great (shatner) cinematography, the whole intro before the plot starts is fantastic. nimbus 3 is super good (as a western)

I personally think Insurrection is better than First Contact but it's massively shit as well.

Character-wise it's the closest TOS movies got to the series but the plot and effect and story are awful. Only the TOS'iest of TOS fans will get anything out of it.

I don’t get why people hate 5. It’s fun.

I don't hate the D but it's definitely not as aesthetically pleasing as the original connie design. D really only looks good from certain angles while there's not a single one the connie doesn't look good in, both the original AND the refit.

I actually have a soft spot for the awkward SFX of part 5. Not sure why.

its the massive ego trip

>Star trek V is irredeemable shi-
Honey child, let me stop you right there. Sit down, be humble.
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yeah thats pretty terrible, good concepts but shatner's just not good enough to pull it off.

Same. I thought they were actually starting work on nutrek 4 though

Star Trek 2, 4, and 6 are some of the best sci-fi movies ever created. I even have a soft spot for First Contact which shows you can do something that's a bit more actiony without disregarding the things that make Star Trek Star Trek.

It just feels like a TV episode stretched out to a full movie. There's no real stakes in anything that happens in the movie. Spock's brother appears out of nowhere and gets people to follow him to see "God" and it turns out "God" is a jerk so they kill him and go home.

>Outstanding, ultra underrated, best score in movie history.
I bet you're looking forward to that 4k director's cut releasing later this year

its already out

That's the theatrical cut, they're supposedly releasing the director's cut later