The Great Debate

RLM has nothing to do with it! these are all things ive noticed and felt watching these boring as films. take your meds, they arent "kino", they are dogshit used to make money off gullible idiots

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better effects, better music, better character development, better plot twists and events, etc.

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Only zoomers think Revenge of the Shit is le kino

>crazy retarded cat lady rants about shit film
no thanks

Go crawl back into your bottle Mike.

What a retarded question, obviously Revenge of the Sith is the better film objectively.

>RLM
>Mike
take your meds, sweetheart. not everyone watches your friend simulator garbage or likes to vomit out their ideas

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It's literally just because of Bespin and Dagobah. ESB has the least amount of things happening of all 3 OT films.

It is a great debate.

>One movie that saves a shit trilogy
Vs
>One movie that saves a shit trilogy

>I have failed you Anakin... I have failed you.
>I should have known the Jedi were plotting to take over!
>Anakin Chancellor Palpatine is evil!
>From my point of view the Jedi are evil!
>Then you are lost!

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yeah, none of these ring a bell at all.

except the first trilogy isnt shit overall. unless youre some purist retard

The Phantom Menace has a lot to appreciate, and enough elements that rival Revenge of the Sith's. For me what's disappointing about the former is that it's more adventure than drama---everything that happens isn't as cohesive as everything that happens in ROTS, so it's sort of a more disjointed narrative---especially since it's less Anakin's story in TPM and everything doesn't necessarily revolve around him and his development, like it does in ROTS, which had made for a much more impactful film.

>sort of a more disjointed narrative
its not "sort of" disjointed, it is, lol. the prequels are a mess

I get where she's coming from, in terms of aesthetic and artistic considerations with some sociopolitical commentary too, but for me ROTS has a great deal of ethical value and tangential political value in that it's essentially a story about a Great Man, alone in the world and yet so powerful in it. It tells a compelling and touching story not often told of disaffected yet exceptionally talented youth.

>better character development
there isn't any character development aside from Vader's

ROTS
youtube.com/watch?v=Ibkmh72_1pw

Empire is the best SW film, but ROTS has superior memes

>Sees a cool scene out of context while flipping through channels and decides its the greatest artistic achievement in the medium.

She could do a little research. It doesn't even compare favorably to what filmmakers were doing to make the epics of the silent era.

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>there isn't any character development aside from Vader's
so did you just skip every han and leia scene or what?

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A New Hope is infinitely better than those 2. It's the perfect movie.

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Neither one of them change.
The development of their relationship is a subplot, and the only good one in the film actually.

A New Hope has the single worst lightsaber combat in the entire series, Disney Wars included.

>so did you just skip every han and leia scene
yes

Revenge of the Sith is unironically the worst Star Wars film.

there is no worst star wars film, Lucas-wise

You need to be put in a body bag, you absolute fag.

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a new hope>revenge of the sith>empire strikes back

If revenge of the is bad, then there are no good star wars movies

3 has a lot of issues but it was still a pretty ebin conclusion to the series

Revenge of the Sith > The Phantom Menace > Return of the Jedi > Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > Attack of the Clones

>ep3 will always be kino
You will always be an idiot who learns all his vocabulary on Yea Forums.

based, star wars should have been 1 movie

You are so embarrassingly stupid its insane.

No you're just a moron.

you cannot top Empire Strikes Back

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The best is RotJ. Then ESB. Then ANH. The PT and ST are on the same level of awfulness in terms of lightsaber combat. Nothing actually happens, they go on far too long, and are choreographed to be dazzling rather tense or communicate anything about the characters or move the plot forward

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>3 has a lot of issues
not really no

>The PT and ST are on the same level of awfulness in terms of lightsaber combat.
The kendo shit isn't a style of combat anyone who has been given license to work with the Star Wars franchise has ever gone back to.

You are being a blatant contrarian if you are claiming it is superior.

>Nothing actually happens
Because lightsabers are treated as actually dangerous, as opposed to Empire Strikes Back with Luke nailing Vader in the arm and not sustaining a single scratch.
>communicate anything about the characters
The style of combat in the prequels does in fact say things about the characters doing them. If you disagree you are disingenuous.

Part of the issue with ESB is that it has perhaps the most amount of time in any of the Lucas films were basically nothing happens. Most of its runtime is arguably filler.

Luke doesn't actually learn anything while training on Dagobah, as far as we are shown.
Han and the crew spend most of the time hiding/trapped. The only skirmish scenes are on Hoth and Bespin.

The only parts of the film that ever receive consistent praise is Vader's presence in Cloud City.

btw
youtube.com/watch?v=-ul1pef501M

the entire franchise is propped up by Empire, without it nobody would have continued to care about Star Wars after the original movie for longer than a few years

>nothing happens
midwit

>Palpatine is turned into a cartoon character
>Grevious is a terrible villain with no clear purpose other than to sell toys
>Padme dies because she is le sad
>14 min of souless CGI for the ending fight scene
>Lucas forgot to make Anakin a relatable, likable character in the first two movies, so he spends the entire screenplay speedrunning his character arc
Worst of all:
>Lucas completely butchers Anakin's character by having him immediately attempt to murder his pregnant wife with a force choke (even though he just finished killing children for the sake of protecting his wife) when Obi shows up, and then proceeds to try and murder his best friend/brother. Anakin's motives and reasoning for these actions make zero sense other than "le dark side bad because..... well it just is okay?!?!"

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Sneed

All of the prequels are shit and always will be.

>Grevious is a terrible villain with no clear purpose other than to sell toys
>his parents never bought him one of these
Seethe

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>Palpatine is turned into a cartoon character
He always was

RotS > Empire
Empires good but not great like boomers make it out to be, call me a retard but I honestly think episode 4 is better then 5

Ever see general grevious in the non-gci animated clone wars? He's pretty bad ass there. Sadly they nerf his power level

Darth Vader>>>>>>>> Anakin Skywalker

Watch it in this order for Max Kino:
>4, 5, 3, 6
Then the ST if you want more :p

Youre a complete idiot for thinking Revenge of the With is better. Legit low IQ.

Moron.

>laughably bad dialog
>retarded motivation
Aside from the 8 hour long CGI battle were they platform like it's Mario, and spin their lightsabers around how is it an OK movie, much less anywhere near ESB?

For all the screeching about Plinkett from prequelcucks, I never actually see any of these losers countering any of RLM's points. They just cry "m-muh rlm bad!" But can't debate a single one of his points.