That ending was depressing, god damn

That episode was genius. Gimmicky? Sure. But still genius.

BUT MUH TIMELINE
MUH STARFLEET COURSE ABOUT TEMPORAL ETHICSSSS

Actually hadn't thought of that but yeah, it is

>The TLJ of it's day
strange because the writers were on TNG and wrote the finale. this does fit though

You could tell the episode was written by people who loved Star Trek. Something you can't say about any of the new stuff shows despite how many references and memberberries they have.

Yes, it was extraordinarily sad how Kirk ends up dying. Alone, on a far away planet. None of his friends with him, just like he said he would die in Star Trek V. But he still went out doing what he could to save others, like he always did. Like the hero he always was. It was nothing like TLJ, and unimaginably better than the shit end they're giving Picard.

>just like he said he would die in Star Trek V
he said he would die alone. still, they messed that up

Yes. It’s not a good Trek film and squandered all the goodwill the franchise built up with the passing of the torch in VI, but at least Kirk got a somewhat heroic death. They didn’t try to undermine or “deconstruct” him. In fact, Picard needed Kirk’s relict brand of swashbuckling to even have a chance.

Whereas the SW sequels were one long screed dedicated to ruining the series’ primary characters and insulting audiences.

>Picard buries him under a bunch of rocks ontop of a mountain on some random planet for some reason
made for a cool shot I guess

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Truth. At least he went out doing what he loved. Being a captain and doing something that matters.

But looking back this is also were picard/stewart wants to be a 'action sci-fi hero'. you could tell they had to restrain picard/stewart in terms of fighting. he's captain picard. a leader. not some running/punching action star. he uses his brains and delegates. in the following movie 'first contact', yes he should've gone up to the ship to see what was going on, but left data on the planet to finish the phoenix. but on board the ship he should've been issuing orders. worf and hawk should've been the one fighting the borg.

imagine watching picard
and noticing, that things can be even worse
that series is absolute horseshit

picard got turned into a Soong Android at the end of season 1, and in Season 2 a fucking car hits him and he goes out of action, and they take THE ANDROID to a fucking DOCTOR

I never watched past TOS and the original 6 films.

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>at least Kirk got a somewhat heroic death
THEY DROP A BRIDGE ON HIM

>end they're giving Picard.
I don't care. TNG is gay and so is picard. He'll probably die checking holodeck times for his crew while an enemy boards and murders everyone

I only did because I saw the original crew was in 7. Was annoyed when it was basically just cameos in a next generation movie.

I watched the one with the borg too cause it was only thing on TV and I'd heard it was good. Was just ok.

yes you did

Star Trek is a show that is absolutely disgusting in a serial form if it's made with JJ Abrams engineering, and absolutely kino in tv series form if it's done with TNG-era Gene Rodenberry engineering.

It's why Picard is absolutely haram but the Trek movies of JJ were actually almost kinographic.

I just got into Star Trek back in December and have lurked /trek/ but came to the conclusion that I will not proceed further past TOS

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ah fuck it's out today
spoilers asshole

Why?

>TOS dickriders in /trek/ haven't even seen TNG out of contrarian spite
Imagine my shock

literally the worst of the good trek

>actually almost kinographic
they were fun but I wouldn't go that far

Deep Space Kino is worth it for Dukat alone

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>the Trek movies of JJ were actually almost kinographic.
nigger did you WATCH into darkness? goddamn

>TOS dickriders in /trek/ haven't even seen TNG out of contrarian spite
Not him but I've tried to watch it. It's just a step down in every way from the original series except effects and budget (which I don't care about too much)
Picard is inferior to Kirk
Data is inferior to spock
Uniforms are weird looking
Episodes are devoted to messing around in a simulation rather than actually doing something in reality
And the characters are all mental and less likely to take action, particularly picard
>what do you think number 1
>number 2, meet me in the conference room

I've tried but it really is just inferior to the original series

Sure, but definitely better than the worst trek movies, and better than most average sci-fi movies.

1987 called, it wants it's shitty take back.

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i liked the fist fight with KHAN..

>the Trek movies of JJ were actually almost kinographic
Does this mean they were only liked by memers?

>n-no that's an old opinion you can't think that
Face it, the next generation is inferior, and honestly generations proves it

Did the movie even happen by the time of this episode?

TNG is a completely different vibe and fantastic in it's own way. It's more character and conflict driven rather than the strange sci-fi twilight zone-ish vibe of TOS.
The first two seasons are so-so with some good episodes here and there. If you can't bring yourself to watch through all of it you might aswell skip straight to season 3-6 which is pure TNG kino through and through.

Seems like they'd be up your alley, they're shitty, meathead action movies.

Alone to him meant without his friends. Rewatch the conversation he has about it, he clearly says that he's invincible because of his crew, his friends, his family. Being without them is what he considers to be alone, and he will die because of it. Kirk was something Generations got right.

Nah. Cause the characters are still the same inferior ones.
Again, picard has to revive Kirk because he can't stop the bad guy. And in the process he gets Kirk killed for good

Picard is pathetic and so are his shows

So basically a fanboy who can't get over the fact, that times moved on.

>times moved on
>what is star trek enterprise
>where the klingons are bad, women are green, and the captain gets all the action
>what is the jj movies setting and characters
Even alot of the new shows are using the time right around the original series. No one moved on except fags

TNG Trek movies suck because the writiers suck. The show ended with the tv series and im fine with that. In before the borg one was good.... no it wasnt it ignored picards arc against the borg in the tv serises and completely forgot abut hugh.

>another Star Trek thread shitted up by an actual autist making absurd headcanon arguments
It's all so tiresome

I watched all four movies recently for the first time.
Insurrection > Nemesis > First Contact = Generations
Insurrection felt like a classic TNG episode. I didn't like all the action Nemesis added, the general nuTrek tone and the vampire Remans no one had heard of until now which was weird, though it was engaging. First Contact also felt like an old episode of TNG but a boring one. Same with Generations but even more boring, and it was depressing to hear that Picard's brother and nephew died, and him lamenting the end of his line. Hated that plot development.

which one? it stand on itself? I don't really liked ds9

I would argue First Contact is the worst Trek movie (shits all over established Borg lore and everyone is out of character), but is probably the best overall movie. In that way it reminds me a lot of Voyage Home, time travel plot similarities aside even.

Also I read recently that Michael Piller was pretty much the soul of TNG and the real mastermind behind Picard's original (middle seasons) characterization that we love so much (because it's obviously not Patrick Stewart given what he's done to the character). And surprise surprise, the one movie he wrote for was Insurrection.

I don't know. another captain of the enterprise being invalidated like that doesn't seem right

i thought everyone thought First Contact was the best movie, i saw it and believe it's better than most Star Wars

jiffy lube?

I was honestly surprised that they still let Harriman be the captain for a while. I mean you come back from what's supposed to be a milk run and the first words out of your mouth "oh btw Kirk's dead"....

Fucking court martial right there

Yeah Generations took place during DS9 season 3 then Worf joining the cast at the start of season 4 and this episode if from season 5.

There were a lot of little things I didn't like about it. I mean for one with a movie titled First Contact it really upped my expectations to see some actual first contact kino but no, all we get is one scene at the ending. I haven't seen Enterprise though so maybe I'll get it there. Still working through Voyager (and Picard S1).

DS9 "Trials and Tribble-ations". They travel back in time to the classic TOS episode "The Trouble with Tribbles" It was done to celebrate the shows 30th anniversary back in 1996.

to be the devil's advocate for the moment, Ron Moore said he and his crew had to do the finale and the movie at the same time, the finale apperantly took way more effort so they were so burned out that the movie sucked as a result

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Flashback was better

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I love how nobody on Enterprise thought about changing the shield frequency, but Voyager with much dumber crew did it on regular basis.

Those are still models, and not CGI, right?

This fucking pissed me off even more than Kirk dying. They make a whole spiel about how the whore sisters are flying some shitty old claptrap, they do some wizardry to get past the shields, and all big D does is fire a single shot back, turning her big wide ass open for Klingon BBC

And Riker who was obviously drunk lets his fucking wife fly the ship so the krinkles have a clean shot on her warp nacelles which fucks everything up. Why didn't Worf just unload the fucking magazines after the first shot?

Model ships with CGI weapons. Pretty much peak sfx right there, but the D model looked like shit on film lights so they blew it up specifically to make Enterprise E

This crossover bullshit always fucking annoyed me. You can tell this was an (((executive))) decision. TNG had just finished 7 seasons and had firmly established themselves. I was hoping for a series of cool movies that explored Sci-fi concepts with maybe a bit of action.

But they wasted that potential by making every movie about Picard and Data's emotional status. The movies should have been about the crew encountering weird shit and having to deal with it as professionals.

The only good TNG movie is First Contact and that's only because of the Borg but even then they fucked that up while it felt like a two part TV episode with more time travel bullshit!!!FACT!!!

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Thinking about it, the last TNG episode, ALL GOOD THINGS, would have made for a solid feature film if the budget and FX were beefed up. In hindsight I wish they had done that instead of Generations!!!FACT!!!

Kino shot, and the command crew still wearing the dope old time uniforms is awesome

But what really fucking irritated me was the they couldn't had got Nimoy and Kelly to come back as Spock and Bones. Sure, I like Chekov and Scotty but Kirk's "death" would have had more weight if the trio were together for one last time!!!FACT!!!

it's amazing how they spent the entire last season working on Generations behind the scenes and it took a long time to write the script (like any movie), but All Good Things was written in a week and was a massively better send-off and one of the best tv episodes of all time

but they time traveled and were earth's first contact though?!