Why don't modern writers understand star trek?

They don't understand basic social interaction and you're focusing on their ignorance of the franchise?

Unfortunately, this is exactly correct.

Guts explained this already.

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But what is odd to me is that the original series and next gen still deal with modern cultural issues but usually put them into the context of another planet or a larger galactic conflict. So they are fully able to have their cake and eat it but just choose to make the federation evil for no reason.

Guts is a retard. Money has nothing to do with this so Paramount+ is designed to run on ESG funding, not actual revenue.

>Journeyman sci fi writers no longer exist because print is dead (no more periodicals), people aren't writing short stories or decent stories, (or if they are it is all badly written politics.) Most writers haven't cut their teeth on anything.
>Writers in general are bad because they put the cart before the horse, they write for themes with zero nuanced or understanding at how to express it, to get what they mean you often have to read their Twitter page. They can't express what they mean in their own work.
>Paramount want the Marvel bucks so continually bring things back, regurgitating it. Episodic television format is dead. People want grand shared universes and the same characters but keep misunderstanding what made it work.
>Writers Strike massively damaged the writer and studios moved more towards overall showrunners; showrunners like Kurtzman wield far too much power and influence, writers are no longer "king" and haven't been for a while.
>The writers that have watched Star Trek have weird perceptions on how it is, like thinking Kirk is a ladies man because of that Orion slave girls episode, because people often misremember the things they've watched or don't understand them.

It is about nuance and expressing your ideas in a story. You have pros and cons about an issue and come to a conclusion the audience understand. Modern writers write for a specific context, and in todays culture wars the narratives people live by are so far apart that they may as well be speaking a different language. What is the best way to display a debate? Show both sides and then the conclusion and if you're biased maybe side with one conclusion vs the other. Or making it a non-debate where one side is clearly the idea they want you to take but to understand this you need to understand the metatextual argument they are making as part of their culture war narrative. Expression in a story vs meta expression. Like the criticism of Star Trek Into Darkness, the marketers kept saying it wasn't Khan. Then it was Khan. And in the scene they played big dramatic music when Benedict Cumberbatch revealed he was Khan even though that meant nothing to the characters but only the audience.

Because the writers are a bunch of MSNBC brain poisoned neoliberals who literally believe in Fukuyama End of History and that Obama and Blair was the peak of human development.
Literally.
You can see this in full force Discovery S1/S2, the literal "Trump is hitler", Quoting Samatha Power "Nation Building isn't pretty", Using subterfuge genocide thread to defeat the Klingons (Nuke the core of Qonos), the sanctioned execution of political opposition on Qonos, the high fiving of Section 31, making Section 31 sanctioned (Because CIA/JSOC is so cool).
You also see this a lot in Picard S1, the poverty on earth, the drug addiction, swearing etc you see, this all existed under Obama and Obama was the BEST HUMANITY WILL EVER BE, so that is what their vision for a utopian future is, literally the Obama/Blair admin.
Gene Roddenberry was a Commie (Marjel said this) who leaned into Posadism. He also had a military naval pilot background from WW2, this meant when he made Star Trek, it was from the position of a Sci-fi Utopian futurist "Communist" society and he wanted everyone to be extremely professional because of his military background. He said that if you can't imagine people acting that way on the bridge of the USS California, then it shouldn't be happening on the Bridge of the Enterprise.
Another thing about Neolibs is that they literally have shit for brains when it comes to Politics because they believe they're "post ideology", they think just by acknowledging things, that's doing politics, oh climate change? going to explore that topic? offer solutions? No you just recognise it? Okay that's it. Oh Racism? Going to look into the economic, class factors behind it, offer solut... nope just mention it.
It literally just becomes virtue signalling rather than explorations of the topics of classic Trek. Classic Trek also used Aliens for these issues because HUMANITY WAS UTOPIAN AND POST CAPITALIST so those issues make no sense in the Federation.

I think the telling thing is that they very much want you to know how diverse the shows are now, but that doesn't really work when this is a franchise that had episodes banned in the south because it had a white man kiss a black woman. In the end Roddenberry actually broke barriers for his time while the modern day showrunners are doing essentially the bare minimum netflix standard and pretending their are breaking new ground. Because to them it's not about breaking the barriers but selling the idea of breaking barriers.

>>The writers that have watched Star Trek have weird perceptions on how it is, like thinking Kirk is a ladies man because of that Orion slave girls episode, because people often misremember the things they've watched or don't understand them.
They break stories collectively in the writer's room in front of giant whiteboards where they spout memes and references, largely gleaned from their single binge-watch as soon as they got the job and from skimming wikipedia. Kirk the slave girl (or "sexy green girls") was just another part of the word cloud.

The millennial women that Disney hired for Lucasfilm do the same thing.

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This

>be liberal Hollywood kike
>screech at people all day long about liberal shit
>take show about socialist utopia where racism doesnt exist among humans anymore that your Hollywood kike forerunners created
>Make it about racism and capitalism

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>Diversity
>Representation/diversity
Leftists are a literal cancer on western society

It is funny to see in Discovery gays and binary people making speeches about how important they are and yada yada and in TOS there were no speeches because all this was considered trivial and nobody cared about skin color or sexual preferences so it makes no sense to discuss gender in Discovery, TOS has always been ahead of its time and is ahead of all the recent Star Trek productions.
and even simple things like having Q young in Picard does not happen, the actor is only a few seconds in the scene, it was possible to have him in every season in CG, they miss the simple and obvious things.

>he wanted everyone to be extremely professional because of his military background.
That's another reason these writers are shit. It isn't mandatory that you have a military background to write about a quasi military organization like starfleet but you should have at least have SOMETHING in your background other than attending some liberal arts college and bumming around on your parents dime until you land a Hollywood job writing poorly disguised social justice preaching.

Because that's not why they're in charge of the franchise. The goal is to use Trek for propaganda.

Holy shit what an out of shape pig she became between seasons.

Jews are still mad a Pharaoh for making them work on the Sabbath and how long ago was that? This is the future we chose.

>didnt watch deep space 9

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episodic exploration bad
serialized save the galaxy good

In TOS, Uhura genuinely doesn't understand racism when she's faced with someone from our time. Humanity is that evolved.
If you read Gene's novelizations of Trek as well, it goes much further, where Polyamoury is the norm, Human psykers are appearing and are becoming a major faction on earth and are basically doing human instrumentality project and all sorts of wacky 70s futurism.
Genuienly pisses me off in these new shows how unprofessional everyone acts. Star Trek was always professionalism porn.
I honestly 100% believe the writers/Kurtzman have never actually watched the shows beyond maybe a top 5 episode list. You can tell they're extent of Trek knowledge comes from the films and skimming Memory Alpha.
I also, genuinely believe this, and have said it since Episode 1 of Discovery. I 100% believe they are writing a Mass Effect show, then putting a Trek veneer on top. So much of Nu-Trek is cribbed from Mass Effect, from the aesthetic, designs, uniforms, aliens, constant focus on AI, synthetics etc it's fucking unreal.
If you can remember to Disco S1, look at the space shots and compare them with Space shots in ME2
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This looks identical to Discovery. My Mass Effect theory was pretty much confirmed with Picard S1 as well.

>in TOS there were no speeches because all this was considered trivial and nobody cared about skin color or sexual preferences
Not quite true. Ignoring the episode explicitly about skin color, there's this nice little line from Kirk when Uhura's called a negress:
>We've each learned to be delighted with what we are. The Vulcans learned that centuries before we did.

Star Wars was always diverse. That diversity used to mean lots of alien species. Now it means lots of non-white people. That's the representation part. Every race needs to be on-screen otherwise anybody excluded will bitch about being left out.

both versions of diversity can be good

To be fair, a lot of that is predictive programming. The writers actually know fuck all about it but they have the CIA "consulting" them and basically telling them what to include because the CIA wants to telegraph it's dirty deeds through fiction before they actually do it (or before it becomes public) so that the population is psychologically prepped and is less likely to respond with righeous outrage at the govt for letting it happen. Similar to how we had a string of disaster movies a few years for 9/11 magically happened. When you've prepped a population in this way, they're literally paralyzed and unable to hold their leaders accountable because they're already seen it all on tv or the movies and they've been subconsciously conditioned to accept it. Why is it that practically no one in US government has been held accountable for any of the innumerable disasters and scandals of the past 10-15 years. At least resignations used to be the standard. Now nothing. It's because we've been conditioned to expect it by predictive programming.

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Watch For All Mankind instead.
Written by the same team as DS9 and absolutely feels like it as well.
SENPAI is essentially DS9 S8 and The Orville is new Voyager/TNG.

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actually pisses me off I could write a better Trek show than these cunts, yet they're getting paid millions to shit out garbage.

Not even the writing. Picard is just too old. Watching him walk on the show is depressing because he walks like a very old man which he is

And they don't even know the lore. 2024 Guinan should've recognized Picard.

>Mass Effect
I've noticed this too but it's hard to say if it was intentionally to make a ME series, or because it's the only sci-fi the writers know, or because it's all the sci-fi they think the audience knows (or any/all of the above)

No, because in the new timeline Picard didn't go back in time to meet her. It is uncharacteristic of Guinan to threaten to shoot him, though.

Is it a new timeline, though? Picard mentions Kirk and Gary Seven of all things and Guinan confirms it.

Thicc

why don't star trek fans just accept that it's not their time anymore? Sick of pretending the new show is not good.

Gary Seven wasn't a time traveler; there's nothing that would remove him from history. Kirk going back in time to meet him seems like a longshot in the new timeline, but Picard would still remember it.

lack of Y chromosomes

that guy has no clue what he's talking about and it shows

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nigga they went to the Gamma Quadrant weekly

Because the Federation was a stand-in for Western future optimism and left-liberals fucken hate the West with a passion as of the last two decades.

Utopia never came and therefore undermining and subverting the imperfect became their mission in life.

Gene Roddenberry was a white supremacist chud

But Guinan basically confirmed that those events happened.

Probabky because they provably never watched it. Case in point: Guinan should have already known who Picard was in the 21st Century after having already met him in the 19th.

SLAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMPPPPIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGG SUWEE SUWEE

Picard season 3 is a cast reunion!
I wish they were doing my TNG movie!!
Anyone know if Paramount accepts movie pitches for Trek?

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That was the recast Vulcan woman. I'm not sure if she confirmed it exactly, but even if she did you could still say maybe Kirk did go back in time despite the change. It doesn't make any sense that Guinan could've met Picard already because that would mean that the future didn't change.
All that being said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the writers just forgot about that detail, if they knew it in the first place.

did someone say slampig?

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>Data is dead thanks to Nemesis
No, thanks.

The bad writing is a deliberate sabotaging of the franchise, mandated from the top-down.
If the average person can appreciate Trek and know what makes it good, it's impossible that someone hired to write for it doesn't know. The stories of TNG and DS9 aren't even that nuanced, they have pretty basic frameworks and moral lessons, and anyone can emulate the style, format or attitudes just by watching through them once.
Think of how many generations of trekkies exist, and think of how many people can unilaterally agree on the good parts of Trek. I can bet any one of them could create an adventure in keeping with the older series.
The DS9 retrospective documentary What We Left Behind: Looking back at Star Trek Deep Space Nine is especially illuminating, because they brought back all the old writers together to write a new episode of Deep Space Nine, and guess what, in just 3 days (or fewer) of casual brainstorming they came up with an engaging and intricate plot that felt like it belonged to an episode of DS9.
So the talent pool for great stories with a grounded/good moral compass still exists and is widely available, but it's clear they're ignoring them all deliberately to push some shady new agenda.

This.

You can get around that by assuming the evil timeline in the future in still in effect, so evil Picard never went on that adventure into the past. The question is if they correct the timeline will things immediately change, like Seven's borg implants.

that's the great thing about having a computer for a brain, he copy/pasted his mind into Beta.

Picard is the one who died at the end of Picard Season 1. Science still can't transfer a human into an android body without physically taking the actual brain out of the skull and implanting it into the robot body.

That doesn't work, because the timeline doesn't start diverging until a point after they arrive.