Why would anyone choose to go beyond being/ceasing to exist over eternal life in paradise?

Why would anyone choose to go beyond being/ceasing to exist over eternal life in paradise?

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Let's be real, we have no real conception of what either option would be like

true "black pill" (buddhist terminology, look it up) is that both are the same

Pascal's Wager.

What's the point of eternal life? It's fun because it's limited, hence we have to decide out of billions of things and the decisions somewhat matters. If you had the ability and time to do everything ... shit becomes an endless loop of nothingness, a bit like muh nihilism just without any escape.

The point is that humans are scared of death.

very good post

beyond being is the attribute less apophatic void

Finally, somebody realized on this site this, in the 10 years im frequenting here.

>*dogmas completely contradict each other*
>ALL RELIGIONS ARE THE SAME BRO *HITS BONG* BRUH JUST MEDITATE ON JESUS BRUH
>WHEN JESUS SAID HE WAS GOD AND WILL THROW PEOPLE INTO ETERNAL HELLFIRE AND WHEN BUDDHA SAID THAT CREATOR DEITIES ARE PERVERTED GODS LYING TO THEMSELVES AND THE WORLD THEY ACTUALLY SAID THE SAME THING
>REMEMBER WHEN THAT MUSLIM GUY WAS DECAPITATING THAT INFIDEL SO HE COULD BANG HOT LOLIS IN PARADISE AND AT THE SAME TIME SOME BUDDHIST OLD LADY IN JAPAN WAS LIGHTING INCENSE TO BUDDHA THEY WERE LIKE DOING THE SAME THING BRUH *HITS BONG*
>DAMN THOSE NIGGAS IN ETHIOPIA WORSHIPING JESUS WITH FERVENT AND ZEALOUS SUBMISSION REALLY IS LIKE WHEN THAT GUY IN BHUTAN IS TRYING TO GRASP NO-SELF AND EMPTINESS *cooms*

If you want the Buddhist answer, it's because nothing is Eternal, even Yahweh has a lifespan and will die.

Which you believe in is entirely dependent upon whether you choose Semitic Linear History or Indo-European Cyclic History.

you have to stop letting polemics drive your thinking. what makes you think that the teaching of gautama buddha has anything to do with the kagyu and sakya? what makes you think i have any liking for mohammedans, who worship rocks and a demon named tervagant? why do you assume that being and nonbeing are any different?

If you had any knowledge of the two truths doctrine then you wouldn't go around cuckposting about how all religions in the conventional are really the same because muh ultimate truth.

Theorizing views in the conventional that cause you to take positions that contradicts the empirical is literally the opposite of what you should be doing if you know being/nonbeing or samsara/nirvana is non-differentiated. Chandrakirti says that to create a theory about the conventional is in a sense to "destroy" the conventional; it produces an account that, however coherent it may be, is always at variance with what we actually experience. And that is what you're doing. Stop trying to destroy the conventional by appealing to the ultimate.

Without an afterlife then everything is permitted.

Maybe God will put people on drugs so that they're in a constant state of euphoria.

> GRASP NO-SELF
cringe, crypto-materialist hylic redditor detected

Anatta means "not-self", not "no-self", there is no "doctrine of no-self" in Buddha's teachings, it was an invention of later Buddhist schools who misunderstood him. Buddha never said that there is no Atman.

Afterlife is timeless and we’ll have spiritual bodies. You don’t know what it’s like.
No, it won’t feel like drug pleasure, but as if your body is pure light

I understand it. I'm no wordsmith so I'm not going to try to hard to express the overwhelmingly helpless, soul-crushing emptiness that some people go through, but some of us trudge across this hellish realm aimlessly looking at the world through a thick, murky lens - just fully unable to see the silver linings in the many, many grey clouds that mask the beauty that we know deep down is out there. When you are a spiritual cripple like me life is like a noisome, exhausting parade of which you are not the intended audience. It's like watching a pantomime you are far too old for over and over and over and over again. They say the eyes are a window to the soul, but on the other side of this window there is just a fly on the sill resting, not sleeping, just observing a scene it could never comprehend.
As for eternal life in paradise, I unironically believe I've already had a taste of that in the form of heroic doses of DMT. Again, I could never express it well enough, but it feels like a hundred year journey travelling through a medium of pure positive emotion as you become Mother Nature & Father Time. I feel like I peeled back the Firmament, and this didn't inspire me to seek eternal life or anything, it just re-affirmed how much nothing I am as I again got the sense that was not for me. I looked God in the face and he acted like he didn't know me.

This is a good cope, and useful for dealing with your own mortality, but surely this is pure delusion. If death was not mandatory, do you think anybody would chose to die? If you had a pill that would give you 100 years of youth with no downsides, would you not take it? Again, and again, forever? Do you really think there would ever come a point where you would decide to stop taking those hypothetical pills?

I would not talk even a quarter of one of those pills.

The desire to live in paradise is eternal suffering.

The more you go on the path the more narrow the path becomes, so that you end up on the edge of a knife. It's pretty easy to fall on the wrong side.

The absolute form of mysticism seeks complete cessation pursuing God and God only. Some sufi mystics for example deem Paradise as an intermediary closeness to the Divine.

I'd say the idea of "going beyond" and all that can very easily turn into a spiritual trap. Early Church fathers would say that whatever negates life (in all it's aspects: here and there) is from the Devil.


Read Jad Hatem and on the concept of "Prelest"

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t. adherent of life-denying philosophy
You don’t know how to live properly. An eternity living the way you do would be hellish. An eternity of proper living with friends and family in the presence of God will be joy of all joys.

The nature of the Unifi ed has swallowed all things into a single unity of all things just as, if it is permitted to say so, the One itself has [swallowed all things] in a single simplicity of all things.
I am more than anything convinced that the truth is as [we just explained] and Iamblichus in many places compels us to gather our multiple conceptions into one center, and to make their rotation a center, and thus to approach the Unified and intelligible in a unified and intelligible way, with one great thought that is both undifferentiated and intelligible. And since it is not easy to project such a thought as a human being, especially for one who is still living on the earth, but we wish in some way to see what has been hidden in the depths there and is, as it were, confused with our own conception after we have attempted to gather that nature as we can, not yet ourselves concentrated in a single intuition, which we were calling the center of all intuitions, we are at first divided into two with respect to the uninterrupted unity: in some way it is unified, but in another way we see it as possessing multiplicity, but it ought not to. For it is not the case that its unified character is one thing and its multiple character a different thing, but these are both enfolded in the Unified. But nevertheless, we are content and think of it as such and name it, in one way calling it that which possesses multiplicity and is not yet the One itself, and in another way since it is subject to the One, we
give it the eptithet, “the Unified.” But that is just a single nature, which not being able to seize on as one thing, we think of in dualistic terms, either as One and not one, or as neither One nor not One, or as both One and many.
>Chapter 106. Purification of Our Conceptions Concerning the Unified
What follows? Are we wrong about it? Rather, we are wrong through differentiation and we are truthful through the unity of these things. And perhaps we can, in this manner, just hit on this truth.

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Then seeing all the worlds proceeding from the true supermundane abyss, we give that abyss the title of hidden world, since it has concentrated all the worlds in itself, as if it were the world of every world, or rather the undifferentiated birth pangs of all worlds, not yet attached to the cosmic form, but nevertheless giving birth to it prior [to any manifestation of any world]. For it is, if it is permitted to call it this, the single common and undifferentiated labor pain of the cause of all things and is before all things, stationed prior to the universal worlds that are from it and all the intelligible [worlds] that are born, which we say is the unified boundary of the worlds, however many there are, and of the pleromas that are contained in them, and [viewed from] above, is the single transcendental simplicity.

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>Do you really think there would ever come a point where you would decide to stop taking those hypothetical pills?
Without a doubt, yes. You're still young.

big if true, it changes my ideas about buddhism a whole lot if true.

this is why using drugs for your spirituality is a mistake. I'm blessed I started rosary meditation without drugs only my mind.

read this

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What's the point of Santa Claus? It makes the holidays more exciting for children. Now change "Santa Claus" to "afterlife" and "holidays" to "life" and you've figured it out.