Who has the more convincing argument?

Who has the more convincing argument?

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Schopenhauer is still fundamentally rooted in New Testament ascetism which is life-denying whereas Nietzsche removes the shackles of Christianity and affirms the will as categorically good and to be pursued.

Schopenhauer's got those soulless eyes in that picture jesus. In response to your question you only need to ask yourself one thing. Of the two men, which was such a chad that he kicked a lady down a flight of stairs for interrupting his writing? I think you'll find your answer within that answer.

neetzsche is just a slave to the demiurge like so many others, admitting it doesn't make him any better

...for if madness won't leave us in peace
even here in Nuremberg,
then let it be in the service of such works
as are seldom successful in plain activities
and never so without a touch of madness.

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Different men with different lives. Both noble spirits. Others have exceeded both.

>Others have exceeded both.
Who?

Nietzsche was a beta lunatic larping as a noble warrior. His critique is really good and keen but Schopenhauer was more practical.

>who?
I'm not necessarily restricting this conversation to philosophers

Kant

Both aren't too important as real philosophers, but Nietzsche at least had a lot of impact on aesthetics, poetics and critical analysis.

>gnostic niggers judging others for their beliefs
imagine my shock

In regards to Schopenhauer(whom I prefer over Nietzsche) am I perhaps too young or is it more reflective of a less feeling-character that I do not find him at all as -at least emotionally- affecting as others such as Wagner or of course Nietzsche had described him.

I've only read the Essays and Aphorisms and I'm still going to read the WaWaR but I wonder if it was because of the penguin translation in English was merely the problem? Maybe I'm just in the mood of looking for some "older" positive, but that may just be the youthfulness that he speaks of. If so, I suppose I'll enjoy him more in later life.

Nietzsche directly affected the course of human history by sharply altering the aesthetic sesibility of the 20th century. He is more convincing for sure, and the only real way to argue with him is to argue against his poetics, which people often do, but at the expense of looking like an idiot when paradoxically you don’t mentioned any its contents

cringe

the will is the demiurge, shopenhauer's most important insight was that there was no salvation to be found beyond it

>and the only real way to argue with him is to argue against his poetics, which people often do, but at the expense of looking like an idiot when paradoxically you don’t mentioned any its contents
Then why don't they just argue with both? I think you're mistaking Diogenes for Socrates here. It is not merely truth but has an affective momentum of importance and point. One may even say historico-dialectically. Of course Nietzsche and Diogenes are not the same but they share the same equivalency in individual purpose. More of a rejector than a creator maybe, but this does undervalue Nietzsche.

I can't speak for others, but Schopenhauer had an immense emotional influence on me. Back then in adolescence when I wasn't into philosophy or literature, I came across his essay "On the Wisdom of Life" (gutenberg translation). Never mind the fact that it completely changed the course of my life, my outlook of life, and how I treat and view others (and that it got me both into philosophy and literature), but it had also a strong immediate effect.

As I was reading his words, I remember feeling extremely light, as if all of my troubles were suddenly taken away from my shoulders. I remember feeling genuine benevolence and wisdom from him, as if my grandfather was giving me giving me advice. Above all, I remember feeling that I understood him, and more importantly: he understood me. It felt as if he was saying the exact same things my old self would say if by some miracle he could contact my young self from future to give him advice.

People always say how Schopenhauer gives them depression, but I hadn't even finished reading the essay when he cured my mine.

Very nicely put user. I had the exact experience with Schopenhauer. I have not looked at the world the same since reading him. All that I observe, I observe with a Schopenhauerian lense from the relationships I have with others to global affairs.

>life a problem but maybe you can make good so ignore whiners
>life a problem and you can't make it good but just believe anyway

I'll take the first one thanks.

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Guess who's behind this post.

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Not that user but Schop didnt leave any long lasting effect on my emotional health.

What's the best beyond good & evil translation?

Both were coping. Nietzche by giving purpose to things that he could not argue as to why and Schopenhauer by saying there’s no purpose period no matter what. Basically Teo German incels who needed to get laid.

Schopenhauer was a womaniser

So did Schopenhauer in the third tome of "the world as will and representation" you fucking nigger.

nietzsche = active nihilism.
Schopenhauer = passive nihilism.
Now choose you faggot.

Schopenhauer: because of the perpetual repetition of need-satisfaction, LIFE IS NOTHING BUT A CORNUCOPIA OF PAIN!
Nietzsche: Nah, bruh, that's what makes us special... amor fati!

How does one purposefully enter depression(again, since it's not like I haven't experience it) without making it a meaningless experience?

Schopenhauer nullifies the nihilistic by an awareness of it, Nietzsche one may say does too but we can see a degradation of that Nietzschean mindset into an active nihilism in a figure such as Mishima. Whether this happened to Nietzsche or not is up to you.

Read Ernst Junger's essays Across the Line and On Pain. In Will to Power Nietzsche endorses active nihilism to conquer passive nihilism (it breeds last man Oaxacan creature) . Diamond cuts glass, fren. Nihilism is antidote to nihilism.

i always find it weird how Nietzschefags try to force you into the little bit of a philosophical system that they have when they cry out "life denying" at everything. bunch of morons

Autism.

Also read Harry Neumann's article Socrates and History: a nietzschean interpretation of philosophy.

Fuck you I have special powers.

Just expressing their Will to Power :^)

Coool can I have them too?

>Who?

Yugioh of course

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you know EXACTLY who

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Don't bother, user. He's just a bitter leftist who can't bring himself to acknowledge schopenhauer as correct.

itt: muh feels

Nietzsche's philosophical system is fundamentally incoherent when read as an attempt at argumentation. So obviously Schopenhauer.

Schoobenvonboopenhaure

His name is Yugi you illiterate.

Nobody:
Not a single soul:
Schopenhauer: because of the perpetual repetition of need-satisfaction, LiFe Is NoThInG BuT a CoRnUcOpIa Of PaIn! You may not like it, but this is what life looks like.
Nietzsche: Wait, that's illegal, I'm about to end this man's whole career. Bruh, that's what makes us special... amor fati!

Special powers for special people anons. :)

>your brain on too much internet
Get help user. Consider going offline for a few days.

Schopenhauer doesn't give depression to anybody, he merely states the facts, most people just can't handle the truth

>Eternal return and the supermen arguments are not for debate
Lol. Sure thing buddy

What the fuck is this shit

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They really aren’t since they’re more like poems than arguments in themselves, the eternal return especially, which both should and should not be taken literally

nietzcshe hated booze and never got laid
schopenhauer loved boozed, fucked bitches but still knew they were shit
need i say more?

Ironically Schopenhauer was the Ubermensch Nietzsche was speaking of. He probably even modeled it on him intentionally.

yes Nietzsche rocks