Is utilitarianism irrefutable?

By considering that you get happiness by maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain.

Hey I want you to know that I am planning to quit my job and live on welfare. I owe nothing to anyone, the world is my own! Fuck society!

Most are drug addicts, felons or low IQ individuals.

They should be left off to die desu senpai

>By considering that you get happiness by maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain.
Pleasure/pain aren't just martubate/get kick in the balls, within utilitarianism.

Utilitarians would give up the Earth and become slaves if a desperate alien civilization was dying for resources and needed ours. If we could choose between saving the aliens, thereby losing all our resources on this planet, and either dying or becoming work slaves; or letting the aliens die off and saving ourselves, then the utilitarians would believe that we should help the aliens if there are more of them.

The childless culture of white Westerners is a pathetic sign of mental and spiritual despair, but it is also convenient because the world is in desperate need of population control. Until we get the gumption to implement government control of reproduction, the current, “I don’t wanna have baby I wanna focus on my (((career)))” trend is useful.

>just be a cuckslave, bruh
>dude, work for your wagie.

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Happiness is nothing more than covert pleasure-chasing. And pleasure-chasing occurs when one avoids examining himself and his pain.

Only the naive and the inexperienced hopes that someday he will succeed in stringing together every moment of happiness he has ever experienced and unlock the gates to permanent happiness.

Happiness is fleeting and transient and therefore inconsequential.

>go to work
>have children
>act normal
what the fuck are the alternatives? be a retard and die alone?

Pleasure chasing is the kind of life that global capitalism puts as the best. You party a lot, sleep with tons of people, drink the best alcohol, eat the tastiest food, travel a lot, etc. This kind of life does not lead to a happy life.
The kind of life that a Plato or an Epictetus would advise will lead to a happier life than that one. Plato and Epictetus were smarter and wiser than you are. I will take them over your nihilism.

unironically, yes

Only if morality can be quantified.

You're misreading me.

I'm not advocating a life chock-full of pleasure.

I'm merely deconstructing the concept of happiness. It is wolf in sheep's clothing. Wolf being pleasure-chasing and sheep's clothing being this fantastical and pseudo-spiritual state wherein you're permanently content, permanently in control, experience not an ounce of pain and disillusionment. Call it "nihilism" or whatever else if that soothes you.

Your philosophers promise you the moon but what will actually happen is that you will ultimately grow bored of their prescriptions, their world-views, their shoulds and musts and oughts, and you will catch yourself latching onto some other philosopher's prescriptions. A new set of shoulds, musts, and oughts. And so on.

It doesn't take a wise man to see that what you're really doing is seeking pleasure. It's just that your choice of pleasure isn't alcohol or food or sex but gratifying yourself with the intellectual musings of others.

Neither type of pleasure is inherently right or wrong, for right and wrong does not exist. Understanding this viscerally, you will be miles ahead of the entire Western Canon of Ethics.

Burn down all the homes for equality!

You know, the likes of Epictetus, Epicurus, Musonius lived happy and content lives. And I too, have become much happier after being introduced to their philosophies. Much more so if I adapted a "there is no happiness, why even bother looking for it" kind of view.

>Neither type of pleasure is inherently right or wrong, for right and wrong does not exist. Understanding this viscerally, you will be miles ahead of the entire Western Canon of Ethics.
lol
You are not above the Western canon. You are just Plato's Democratic Man. And you want to believe that others are like you, always getting bored.

>Neither does he receive or let pass into the fortress any true word of advice; if any one says to him that some pleasures are the satisfactions of good and noble desires, and others of evil desires, and that he ought to use and honour some and chastise and master the others --whenever this is repeated to him he shakes his head and says that they are all alike, and that one is as good as another.
>Yes, I said, he lives from day to day indulging the appetite of the hour; and sometimes he is lapped in drink and strains of the flute; then he becomes a water-drinker, and tries to get thin; then he takes a turn at gymnastics; sometimes idling and neglecting everything, then once more living the life of a philosopher; often he-is busy with politics, and starts to his feet and says and does whatever comes into his head; and, if he is emulous of any one who is a warrior, off he is in that direction, or of men of business, once more in that. His life has neither law nor order; and this distracted existence he terms joy and bliss and freedom; and so he goes on.

>right or wrong doesn't exist

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No, this assumes that utilitarianism necessitates a belief in universal morality. It doesn't. Utility conditions are determined by the nature of a population, and divergent populations will have divergent and competing utilities. While we may empathize with the aliens and wish to help them, it is not a logical consequence of utilitariansm that we sacrifice our utility for theirs, our own collective for theirs.

It's a shame so many on this board have only a meme-level understanding of positions like utilitarianism and nihilism.

It doesn't. The only thing which exists is your prejugding mind who has come up with an end-to-the-discussion opinion before you even become aware of it. The ability to entertain conflicting points of view and being able to assume the position of your opponent are signs of high intelligence. No wonder, so many people fail at it.

Saying
>right or wrong doesn't exist
does not make you smarter. It makes you an useless nihilist.

Not him, but

>It makes you an useless nihilist.

Translation:

"My life is suffering, I refuse to examine the root of my pain, ergo give me a set of prescriptions to follow to alleviate (pleasure) my condition"

Having morals lead to a happier life than being a nihilist who believes there is no right or wrong and that you shouldn't even look for a happier life.

Nobody sane believes this (>Inb4 "anybody who disagrees with me isn't sane"). You only make yourself look delusional when you say things like this.

No.

I am simply stating the Truth, for everything else is of no consequence. It matters not what I am, what matters is the Truth.

And the Truth is that there is no difference between a "spiritual" or a "moral" man that does everything according to his adopted philosophy (donates to a charity of his choosing, does yoga, goes to "mindfulness" seminars, etc.) and a man that engages in frivolous threesomes or is obsessed with growing his wealth by day-trading in the stock market.

They are the same man, for they use the same means (the mind) to attain their ends (whatever pleasure-of-the-day it is that masks their suffering and pain).

This is not the truth, this is just some ramblings by someone who wants to appear edgy but who likely didn't even read "The Republic".
Being led by your base desires and acting like a degenerate will make you unhappy. This has nothing to do with donating to charity or doing yoga.

The best life is one lived for our Lord Jesus Christ

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Many are schitzos as well. Reagan changed Medicaid law so now you get 190 total psych ward days per lifetime

We need asylums again

By a C minus high school debate student, yes. One of the easiest criterion in a value debate to discard.

>unironically claiming access to capital-T truth.
Shiggus Diggus

read dostoevsky

You have to be over eighteen to post here.

All of them a spook

A chunk of the san fran homeless are "homeless by choice". The ease of which a homeless person can live in the city supports it. You can shit anywhere and a social worker will pick it up for you. Rows of charitable agencies willing to cook you hot food or wash your clothes. Not to mention the year round nice weather. As long as you identify as homeless you get all those bennys

I want to get enough money together to buy a single fixed life annuity and then do whatever the fuck I want.

>be a neet.
>fuck around and play vidya all day.
>never marry.
>never have children.
>walk in the street where the cars are.
>watch free porn.
>disobey the law.
>dont plan for your future.
Now repeat after me:
OP is a faggot

As the planet is overpopulating, this image is incorrect. Abortions and sterilization is needed.

>be normalfag
>get dick sucked everyday
>cum inside woman who loves me

Argue for the necessity of replenishing Society.

Even if there were no alternatives, that in and of itself would not be a good enough reason to continue doing it.

who are we to decide what everyones purpose is