Its over

A man makes movie references for 70% of the book and discusses for 30% of it.

Please read this to begin with and then all the Fisher you can get your hands on. Very blackpilled.

Mark Fisher is awful. Read Marx and Lenin.

"HURR capitalism is inevitable and cannot be overthrown because spongebob and Simpsons memes exist so buy my book and don't do anything about imperialism". There, that's the summary.

He killed himself cuz he cudn't handle bantz online and generally was an unoriginal cultural marxist philosopher with no future.

Communism will only work when we have robots to do all the labour

Its a shitty book

it was over when ussr fell. there's no hope anymore. time to embrace the blackpill, my comrade.

>because spongebob and Simpsons memes exist
elaborate? haven't read the book

read the book it's only 80 pages long my desufaggot

>is there no alternative
well...

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i think the whole point is that the ionly people who think there's an alternative to neolib capitalism are a bunch of extremist larpers, try to bring up national socialism to a group of normal people and you'll either be laughed at or yelled at

So it is basically a more myopic and less comprehensive Decline of the West?

>the cancellation of future and fetishization of the past.
Wasn't that Ghosts of My Life?

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Wait until Islam takes over.

>Wait until Islam takes over.
It won't, considering how there are hardly any places on this planet that aren't secularizing.
en.qantara.de/content/the-secularisation-of-muslims-silent-withdrawal

>capital is everything
The absolute state of the moderns...

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fascism is the only real alternative to capitalism. Leftists are objectively the left hand of capital, lapdogs of the system, a counter counter culture that targets and supresses all rebellious or impulses and anything that doesn't serve the systemic imperative for total integration, mindlessly bleating out postmodern buzzwords they learned in college, helping globohomo corporations grind us down into homogenous pink haired consumer cattle devoid of all independent thought.

>fascism is the only real alternative to capitalism
and fascists are the right hand
did you think this through?

he's based and leftists hate him because he accurately described how utterly embarrassing they've become and how the left is now entirely driven by capital, which is itself an aspect of capitalist realism. even things that claim to be anti capitalist are simply serving the system because it has consumed every inch of modern society. all the trannies and new ridiculous identities that have come out of thin air are all a result of this, not an actual resistance as they claim

It’s over

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>he predicted
kek

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It goes beyond capitalism and anticapitalism, is life against death, master morality against slave morality. Fascism is a youthful rebellion against the leftist technocracy and its tired humanist moral hypocrisy. Fascists are unapologetically for strenght, beauty, honour, self mastery self reliance and self transcendance. Leftists are nothing but the advocates of disease, weakness and victimhood, resentful weaklings, who being able to attain great heights conspire to drag everyone else down to their level. I am a fascist because I am willing to do anything in order to live a life worthy of that name.

>It goes beyond capitalism and anticapitalism, is life against death, master morality against slave morality. Fascism is a youthful rebellion against the leftist technocracy and its tired humanist moral hypocrisy.
That's saying nothing.

>Fascists are unapologetically..
>strenght, beauty, self mastery
So is capitalism, since you can sell these.
> self reliance, honour
Not fascism
>self transcendance
So is left

Fascism is emergency measure of capital. While leftists fight the strong and beautiful bankers out of resentment, fascists in their "youthful rebelion" protect interests of the bankers, the oil merchants or the rentiers.

This, sounds exactly like what spengler said would happen

leftist ideals align exactly with the interests of multinational corporations and the cosmopolitan managerial and professional classes That is, Bankers, academic apparatchiks, the media, do gooder NGOs, what these people really just want to jockey for power amongst themselves and increase their control over the masses. they have no concept of sacrifice, or the sublime, ironically they stand for bougeoisie values at their most decadent, having forsaken bourgeoisie self reliance, they fall back on infantilisation, consumerism and pop psych self help patter. Their taste in culture reflects their total vacuousness, they reject western high culture for ideologically correct comic books, YA and pop music. Leftists are either nihilistic managers and bureaucrats or proles who have given up.

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That's all projecting, namecalling and aesthetics. You ignore the actual reality power structure, or do you think that taxes on speculation benefit the bankers? Do you think pacifism and enviromental regulation benefit the oil merchants? Do you think the industrialist would be happy to have his property nationalized?

I mean have you interacted with any leftists recently? they are exactly like the rest of the urbanite bugmen and queers, except even more neurotic and dysfunctional. they lack any sort of independent thought, or solid values and are hence easy to manipulate. Soon, they will be braying for war with Russia because that oriental barbarian Putin is insufficiently enthusiastic about child drag queens or whatever.

>I mean have you interacted with any leftists recently?

Fairly often. They are old, russophilic, villagers. Guess you aren't from Eastern Europe, are you?

(not him)
eastern europe does not matter.

I'm afraid it does. What sort of demographics support left or right changes region to region.

I think we have different understandings of fascism. How does it escape humanism and materialism? While strength, beauty, etc. are good values, what are they grounded in? Not that you are necessarily/intentionally doing this, but relying on the naming of these values without any substance is a method of populist and democratic leaders in general.

Stop replying to that guy. He doesn't understand that the concepts of nation and nationality were born out of the materialism he supposedly wants to suppress. Being a nazi just signals someone who wants to jack off in public and not be chastised by his actions.

You fail to understand the nature of the absolute conflict that constitutes contemporary existance. The whole global system is by design predicated on 'anti nazism' and 'anti-totalitarianism', in all of its social, cultural and economic aspects. The creed of 'never again' replaced the christian dogmas of old. National socialist revolution is a metaphysical declaration of war on the system, I spend my every waking moment becoming whatever takes your sleep away at night. Unrepentant unrelenting and unmitigated and Esoteric Hitlerism is the most rebellious, nay the only rebellious and transgressive stand that can be taken against the system.

>The whole global system is by design predicated on 'anti nazism'

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It's gotta be a LARP. Surely he couldn't have overlooked a little something called capital in his studies.

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>imperialism
What imperialism? Genuinely curious.

I'm worried...

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Now say that to anyone in real life and prepare to get laughed at.

>do you think that taxes on speculation benefit the bankers?
If taxes are your solution to an immoral system, then sorry to say you aren’t a revolutionary. Lmao

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I've been thinking, what guarantee would there be that a Marxist Leninist government wouldn't kill the people either?

Yes, that's pretty pathetic. Supposedly an advanced species, reaching quantum physics understanding. Yet we still produce with Capitalism, and are incapable of conceiving something better.

Cease thine brainletism. It's a realistically applicable step to curtail power of the baniyas, not a "solution to a system".

Islam is Capitalist.
Definition: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets.

The Yang Gang cultism is capitalist realism at its finest. Don't challenge the capitalist class, just shut up and subsist on a pittance since there is no alternative to letting corporations fuck you in the ass.

You still don't understand. Former natsoc here. Almost everything is Capitalist.

By posting this comment you proved him right. Every thought you have ever had or will have is already a part of the machine. You will never be external to it.

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Punch accelerationists.

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So the shit I had this morning is capital? Do I need to eat it?

>I used to care about my race but now I don’t because exploitation is also a problem
Sure, retard.

>The whole global system is by design predicated on 'anti nazism' and 'anti-totalitarianism'

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I feel like Fisher's later claims get less attention than they do. Looking at mental illness as something linked to or even caused by the environment seems like a good strategy to me, as does a critique of the more bureaucratic parts of what people claim is a free and self-governing system

>It's a realistically applicable step to curtail power of the baniyas
Not really. Most of the people who these taxes are supposed to “curtail” have the bulk of their assets stored in offshore banks where retards like you can’t touch them. You’re kidding yourself if you think letting bankers pick and choose whatever amount they think looks good on their tax forms is a substantive way of combating capitalism.

Pinky swear?

>Capitalism is the only real alternative to capitalism. Anti-capitalists are objectively the left hand of capital.
Yeah, makes total sense.

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Once again I urge you to stop being a total dumbass. The proposal I mentioned came from US (capitalism-the country), where it is expected to act effectively against the so called wallstreet. It's not "my proposal". The question was "do taxes on speculation benefit bankers", the answer to this question should be in yes/no form. If your answer is "but it won't be enough", you are just proving my point.

I'm just saying.
If all the work is done by machines and robots what do we do?
Sure they'll give us yanfgbux at first.
But then they'll kill us.
And if there were a communist revolution the leaders would also kill us.
There is no scenario where we all get to enjoy the space age luxury communism Venus project.
Only terminator.

>If all the work is done by machines and robots what do we do?
Play vidya. The opium of our time.

It doesn’t harm bankers anymore than a gnat landing on my arm harms me. Millionaires and billionaires “pay taxes” for PR, not because some government (that they own) told them to.

You trying to disown your own retarded statement is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen all week. According to you, the US is simultaneously capitalism: the country and the origin of legislation that “harms” capitalists. Think before you post.

Once again I urge you to stop being dumb and acquire some reading comprehension.

>It doesn’t harm bankers anymore than a gnat landing on my arm harms me.
>taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/can-sanders-financial-transactions-tax-raise-trillions-and-cut-speculation
Here's evaluation of the proposal from one candidate for us president. It says it will cost the bankers 400 billion ameribucks by conservative estimate. That's not a "gnat on your arm".

>According to you, the US is simultaneously capitalism: the country and the origin of legislation that “harms” capitalists.
Capitalism is inherently self-destructive. Of course it will spawn anti-capitalist politicians. Question is if these rebels manage to overcome the establishment or not. Think before you post.

>politician makes spectacular claim about the effectiveness of their idiotic legislation
Wew.

I guess 8 years of Obama achieving literally nothing against bankers despite “combating wall street corruption” being a major campaign point wasn’t enough for you, eh?

Also, if the US is a hotbed for anti-capitalism, then clearly the entire country is not capitalist by definition. Unless you think anti-capitalism can only come from capitalism?

Anyway, I hope this ass-kicking was instructive for you. I encourage you to reread what you’ve written here several times before you post again.

>politician makes spectacular claim about the effectiveness of their idiotic legislation
Learn to read faglord. I specifically used source biased against the proposal. The 400 billion is lowballing it.

>I guess 8 years of Obama achieving literally nothing
Irrelevant, obama was weak and “combating wall street corruption” is vague proposal unlike the beforementioned tax.

>Also, if the US is a hotbed for anti-capitalism, then clearly the entire country is not capitalist by definition. Unless you think anti-capitalism can only come from capitalism?
What are you on you stupid nigger? Hotbed for anti-capitalism can absolutely be capitalist. Germany was capitalist in 1918, yet it was hotbed for communists. Anti-capitalism absolutely does come from capitalism, where else would it come from you mongoloid?

Based and ch/acced pilled.

You mad, human boy?

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NEO CHINA ARRIVES FROM THE FUTURE

Oh yeah genius? So why do some whites exploit other whites?
And no, "only jews exploit" is not a valid answer.

leftists and fascists both criticise the capitalist system the difference is fascists want to make things better whereas communists want to make things worse. Their utopia is like the current system except more so.

Btw if tomorrow natbol do a true communist society centered around race purity, i'll consider it a positive achievement.

>the difference is [my side] want to make things better whereas [the other side] want to make things worse

Based and whateverpilled.

Nazism is a fool errands
Given enough time white people will become mutts
It might take 50 years it might take 100 years
But its inevitable
Trying to stop that will just drive you mad
The only thing you can do that's within your power is having a lot of white children and helping other whites havehave white children
Communism has like a 5% chance of happening in our lifetimes
Nazism 1% if that

read adorno then sloterdijk

it's not over, it might not have even begun

In fact, communism is the ultimate shield against race mixing. See the huterrites. No selling and buying of the labor = no immigration.
But try to make this understand to a natsoc, it's a lost cause.

unironically the only solution is evacuation the cities, dismanteling all industry and sending the industrials and capitalist to forced labour camps on the countryside.

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Just wait until we Malthus ourselves through climate change. Then we'll start against through healthy rural roots.

Spirit got the bad ending

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the "great health" as Nietzsche put it

Maybe if they start crispring traps

Climate change is a myth. Ice caps are growing and global cooling is on the horizon.
Coldest year on record last year.

im from pakistan. i remember in my early teenage years, we use to have 5 and half months of proper winter with heavy cold fog. after 8 years now it's four and half months of winter with smog and shit.
it's happening.

6 months of winter? are you in gilgit-baltistan?

Is this the outright lie thread? Global median temperatures are rising. A region can still experience a record cold winter, but mostly we’re seeing record moisture, heavy snow, rains that cause flooding, this is all the greenhouse effect from the glaciers melting.
In twenty to thirty years Florida, among other places, are going under

The greenhouse effect causes glaciers to melt to the other way round.

*not

Take a glass of ice water into a greenhouse sometime

/leftypol/ refugees fuck off.

learn to read, senile hag

nah in from central part of the cunt
last time when i went to gilgit-baltistan in summers i got really bad sunburns. which was pretty weird. because i am from a hotter region and i got sun burned for the first time in colder region.

That's probably because of the altitude. Less atmosphere to absorb ultraviolet radiation means higher risk of sunburns.

I can tell by the cover that it's Marxist propaganda by someone too stupid to realize that our system isn't a free market.

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Why Pinochet mate? I want answers.

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>implying commies like mark fisher

The text along with the picture should be self explanatory.

Fuck Socialists
Fuck Commies
Fuck Democrats
Fuck Republicans

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Mark Fisher was the definition of uncool. Anyone knows it is always an obvious redflag when a dude mentions Mark Fisher.

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The post was corrected in some way, but now Im not sure what the meaning is. “*not” meaning what? Retry that

/leftypol/ was made up of people front Yea Forums

they hate mark fisher and are glad hes dead

His problem is that he just couldn't completely cancel the endless present. What is required for this is "radical commitment to the future," but what is involved with this is hugely radical. For example it requires a clarification of commitments and what are involved with them. Secondly the radicality of such a commitment can be likened to to be willing to suffer infinitely for the cause of the future: infinite personal investment in future-acting activity.

If one is completely successful in doing this, they "become" the future, a mechanic becoming of the future that must necessarily be arrived at to satisfy infinite investment. Mark Fisher is a fucking monumental hero, but he couldn't manage to invest himself to such an extreme, and the only other option was suicide. At the end of anticapitalism is a final absolute choice: all-in for post-capitalism, or all-out.

The solution: love life.

I do. Thanks

Leftism is inherently based on slave morality, you can't be Nietzschean and left wing. At the very best you can be an enterprising managerial technocrat, breeder of a race of last men.

>too stupid to realize that our system isn't a free market.
And?

Refutes the whole point of the book. Not sure why I had to explain the edgelord.

Are you implying that Capitalism = Free markets?

Yes, that's the standard definition. But most people seem to confuse capitalism with neo-mercantilism and have defacto applied it to the current state of affairs.

>that's the standard definition.
>Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3][4] Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system and competitive markets.
Having regulations and to some extend even command economies doesn't negate the existence of Capitalism.

That's leftists now. If there were a movement that captured the true spirit of Marx and only Marx, it would be the only other real threat, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with fascism.

>he doesn't want to hang the banksters from lamp poles

You understand history is literally filled to the exploding brim with revolutions and horrific violence? You think history's over? We haven't even hit the 1% mark of human history.

Go big or go home.

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Actually it does. It uses coercion to interfere with the private property and voluntary exchange parts that you listed.

interference and regulations != cancellation

marxists don't believe in a free market / "regulated market" dichotomy, they think capitalism inherently utilizes intervention so they only way to stop the boom bust cycle is to get rid of capitalism.

Our system is a free market though. People are allowed to spend and invest their money as they please.

Leftists were subsumed into the neoliberal managerial class and serve either as gatekeepers against reactionary movements that threaten the free flow of labor and consumers into and west or as propagandists of state department approved forms of rebellion (read: rebellion that doesn't threaten the property structure).
While fascists probably have far less power than "leftists" at least they are aware of this, leftists think they control the culture when they get anonymous nazis banned on twitter but really they are completely cucked in terms of practical political power

He's right, though. That's the only thing where they freak out and use hard power so blatantly.

The question has literally nothing to do with "what I want".

Surprisingly accurate. Why do commies love cinema so much? Zizek is also a cinephile.

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>Why do commies love cinema so much?

>brainwashed bugmen loving the propaganda that re-affirms their opinions
it's a deep mystery

I understand your point but disregarding any author and asking to go back to Marx or Lenin is like having a wound on a feet and asking to chop the leg off.

Marx or Lenin didn't talk about the consumerism because it was unimaginable in that time. But consumerism is what kept capitalism going on without major revolutions since the red october.

Mark Fisher is not the next Lenin by any means but he shows how the ruling class uses pop culture and nostalgia through consumerism to keep the people down and alienated

The only time you had mainstream opposition to capitalism in Western capitalist countries was when pre-68/pre-liberal European communist parties had tens millions of members and it last for like thirty years.

We wouldn’t be cattle because cattle is not a burden.
Exterminating us would be more efficient

>taking advice about who is cool from a guy who has a skull with sunglasses as his Twitter profile pic

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Kek no

watching the imdb top 250 doesn't make you a cinephile

It's cold here.
Same as last year. Arctic belt is moving lower and will cause a new ice age.

God Shaun is such a faggot

Tankies love movies.

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Oh shit, you posted a brainlet wojak so I must have been wrong!

But let's be serious. A free market doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of failure in the market. People can spend and invest as they please, but if they lose their shirt in the process, that doesn't negate the freedom of the market. In fact, it justifies it.

>Oh shit, you posted a brainlet wojak so I must have been wrong!
My intentions exactly, arguing on the internet is kinda dull. What you're saying isn't necessarily wrong but that's not what the free market is all about.

>I am so radical I only watch and defend the most popular franchises

Who else is determining who spends and invests money and how it's done besides consumers and privately owned businesses?

most of oldschool communists are massive cinefags

skulls are cool. sunglasses are cool. skulls with sunglasses are mega super cool. This guy knows what's up

It is our duty as communists to defend the achievements of progressive bourgeoisie culture against disingenuous reactionary attacks. Sure if you have something to say about the cinematography and pacing of the latest starwars movie, then go ahead, but we all know that is not the real reason reactionaries criticise these brands, they are just angry at representation and the very existence of marginalised people. You might think of it as old school nerd cynicism, but believe me, it doesn't look that way to marginalised people, and the knuckleheads may believe you are one of them so be careful.

From a techno-capital point of view Mark Fischer is the only left-wing author I respect. He asked the right question. Fighting against the mercantile forces, the left as ideology is stuck in a trench war that has lasted 200 years.

If you want a solution, you have to take other, bolder courses of thought. "Let's give capitalism victory" in a kind of mental game where you renounce the existence of a perpetual struggle and extend the mentality and philosophy of the free market to its extremes. For this same reason I also respect the left-wing accelerationists. "We will take your model and let it take control of the earth, as it has done so far even when we are against it. Adopting a calf's passivity.

In my own country I have seen how the old communist guard simply surrendered to the neo-liberalism of the 21st century. For me this phenomenon is nothing new in my own home. The difference here is that Fischer and other thinkers went against their own moral compass because they saw that it was the only tactic left to at least discover what was going on with globalization and aggressive capital models.

Enjoyment is your main duty as a citizen and as a consumer. In the christian middle ages, the separation of the world was reconciled in the sacrament of the eucharist, in the postmodern neoliberal world it is meant to be reconciled in pop culture entertainment which can be mindlessly enjoyed by everyone regardless of race, gender or sexuality. Leftist normies harbour this almost missionary zeal for pop culture, those poor marginalised wretches must know the good news of Disney and its franchises, they must feel represented and included in the spectacle, they too must enjoy. Having lost the capacity to believe, they try instead to Believe in the Other Who Still Believes, a child or an excluded minority who is able to see the consumer trash as if from the first time.

Why the fuck isn't Camatte talked about more? His later writings beat fisher, kaczynski, deleuze and land to the punch by decades.

>real satire
>trips

yessir things are looking up for Yea Forums

isn't this basically just the "glass half empty" version of Francis Fukuyama?
why does Yea Forums shill this book constantly yet shit on Fukuyama whenever they get the chance?

Capitalism is already eating Islam alive. Just look at the Nike hijabs.

The debordian or fisherian man chooses suicide before acquiescence to the ineluctable world historical progression of the Spirit, a perfectly dialectical and respectable choice. While a Kojevian/Fukuyamian ubermensch affirms the ineluctable, and becomes the worldly incarnation of Spirit actualising the Universal Homogenous State through purposeful Action.

>tfw CIA, DARPA, Google and Amazon were the real communist vanguard all along

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This shit is universal solvent. It's great. It'll pave the way for a new world.

but how nike hijabs are eating islam?

Because racketeers don't want people knowing they are racketeers. And there is a subtlety in it that the average person does not want to try and wrap their head around.

Why did he kill himself?

Islam's doing way better than the West. I think that neoliberalism, in the end, may even be defeated by sand-kikes. The Taliban drove off the United States and Assad destroyed the NWO drones who were ruining his country. Iran's geographically untouchable and well-supported by its neighbors and the JewSA's enemies..

fell for his own blackpills, which were aimed at commies to accelerate shit by making them suicidal.

>by someone too stupid to realize that our system isn't a free market
not exactly. one of the key features of neoliberal critique (stuff like Mark Fisher and David Harvey) is pointing out that our so-called "free market" system doesn't actually function as such. you're right that it is Marxist, though. Try actually reading it. It's extremely short. Or do you only read books that confirm your viewpoint?

thanks, i'm aware of all this and I've read captalist realism. love mark. i was more referring to comments about him being "cyberbullied" into committing suicide. as in like specific examples of this / which group(s) because i've heard this mentioned before

Capitalism =/= neoliberalism. Islam's only chance of survival is isolation, which is not possible since globalization is inevitable and because the inherent traits of islam are to spread and proselytize others. Wherever it goes capital will be waiting, and eventually capital will come chasing after it. The mullas will beat their women with Adidas whips (sweat resistant grip™) in a decade or so.

legend has it that he dazzled the left and it reacted in a way that led to his death.
Imagine that the only ones you think are with you and share your ideas for the future, when you criticize them, they attack you.

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He wasn't able to handle the stress of cyberbullying.

He's admitted he doesn't watch 75% of the films he talks about, he just reads a summary of the plot and starts writing. He's afraid watching them will ruin what he's written about them

Its a reflection of culture and it's ideology

not this pasta again

i readed ghost of my life and capitalist realism and the only thing he talks about is zizek and movies wtf

The idea is that you can learn about the dominant culture (which is the culture of those who dominate) from the dominant cultural forms. The Avengers films can teach you about the political unconscious of the world once interpreted using its real world analogies. When the Frankfurt school was temporarily relocated to Hollywood they saw a new film almost every day and people like Fisher, Zizek, and most prominently Fred Jameson continued the tradition (along with more conservative critics like Jordan Peterson).

>The end of capitalism will only occur if society as we know it is destroyed.

What a pessimistic view.

National Socialism, not Fascism in the Italian sense. You can't come to any agreement with business, it has to be restricted and controlled violently. The best possibility would be the complete destruction and banning of business. In reality by now we'd need to update NS to counter the increase of bullshit that capitalism (on purpose) and modern Marxism (unknown to them) created, though the Marxists thought they were rebelling and retaliating against capitalism and its anti-culture, all they did by further degrading various norms (note, I am not saying the Christian norms were good across the board or bad across the board, the issue of specifics is not the point of this post) was open up new markets for capitalism to exploit of which were unavailable to it before (due to the norms and morality etc. of the majority/zeitgeist). The issue everyone here faces, other than those who are fine with the status quo which I can only assume would be a minority—at least here—is the presence of technology, the applications of modern marketing and PR etc. that the imagination has been externalized through film, screens in general, and once witnessed by the masses it overwrites their own. All cycles seem to have stopped, thanks in part to inaction which has been planted into everyone by their own governments but also their media (and American media, the main export), the idea of Gandhi or MLK, not only as "heroes" but as the only way to "fight" this is worsened by the creation of social media, not to mention that strength was already exclusive to the minority (as all virtues are) while weakness is found in the majority (as all vice is), it doesn't help that the current elite—the merchant-class, and their respective traits are weakness as well, it isn't accidental that you find psychopaths doing so well in the private sector nor degeneracy in general. The various races of the world have been corrupted by global Americanization, based on—as Nietzsche points out—ugliness, baseness, the "Judiazation" of the world (no offense). Those who come from such societies are obviously damaged, physically, mentally, and spiritually. The problem as to why we aren't seeing any apparent strongman—in any sense of the world—is because this current society breeds vice as opposed to virtue, as technology seems to be stopping any cycle(s) from occuring and as every political ideology including ideologies found outside of politics, are unanimous in their "strategy" namely: "we must spread awareness" regardless of how known their respective ideologies are, and once their suspicious "leaders" who seek only to fight other groups who—although they may or may not share similarities—also are against the status quo. (1/2)

(2/2) When they aren't expending all their energy on this or infighting, they gather outside of public places and protest, inaction as action, as if their respective villains are just ignorant of the truth and once they hear chants they will give up all their power, all their capital, their greed and vices, potential mental illnesses and become the stereotypical Jesus-character. These are the issues all of us face and until they are rectified the machine and its engineers will continue onward.

Bro you clearly have never lived in a Muslim country and get your info on it from contemporary news articles. I've lived in the most liberal ones(turkey, Lebanon, uae, Jordan, Kuwait, some central asian Stan countries) and the most conservative ones too and everywhere outside of the control of militant groups is devolving in the same direction as the rest of the world. I'm an arab (American) Christian who specializes in middle eastern history. Most of the people I speak to think exactly the same beyond shallow cultural traits

Isn't this guy a pussy and a cuck?

Yeah his wife divorced him and he possibly got cucked. Note that Jamal doesn't care about politics at all

Why does he have "and jen" at the end of his username if he's divorced?

they were never married but they shared accounts or something. but more importantly #whocare

People wanting to ad hominem him since they can't beat his arguments. As if breaking up with someone is a strike against you.

when it comes to e-drama of all kinds, #whocare

faggots care.

That's due to the fact that the culture as a whole shot its load and degraded into a general stagnation. And the fact that the past is being more or less kept alive in a way not predicted, at least, the recent past.

The 21st Century is still getting over the hangover of the 20th. Give things time and the undercurrents of vitally bubbling below will emerge.

And no. It's not caused by capitalism, and it won't magically be solved by implementing techno-communism (Which, given the attitudes of commies, is itself a reversion to the past?).

The secular order in the Islamic world looks a lot more like it is collapsing than the alternative.

every communist is a pessimist

capitalism needs to face a moral quandary otherwise we would live in a society where poor people would suffer

It's just an ever decreasing number fundamentalists REEEEEing at the sight of women driving and shopping malls

Its only begun

Based

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Massive technology/information firms which get subsidization by many aspects of the government in return for providing logistical support and development for the American Empire. The modern market square is the internet, and pretty much all of the internet technology companies have effectively integrated themselves into power to the point that public/private distinctions have become largely meaningless unless you're talking about mom and pop shops.

Should I read it?

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>master morality against slave morality
user I

this is just

>leftists
>leftist
stop calling liberals leftists you illiterate moron

imagine being this high on leftypol bullshit

Is there no alternative to capitalism?
No not really especially in America.
They'd rather listen to uncle Ted and become tribes people than try le evil communism.
You can't blame them though, since communism and its variants (such as market socialism in yugoslavia, cough Wolff cough) failed and there's no compelling case as to why it won't fail again.

>if the US is a hotbed for anti-capitalism, then clearly the entire country is not capitalist by definition.
Capitalism is a mode of production in which property is owned privately for commodity production.

When someone working as a mcdonalds fry cook says "im a capitalist" they are wrong and stupid. They are a wage worker, not the owner of McDonalds. "Capitalist" does not mean "someone who likes capitalism" it means someone who owns the means of production. An anti-capitalist is someone who seeks to abolish private ownership of the means of production for commodity production, not someone who thinks their boss is a meany face.

You could try using words to mean what they mean instead of as arbitrary things you say to score points.

Actually reading Nietzsche would probably help. Thinking master morality is some kind goal is probably the saddest weakest take I've ever heard in my life.

Words mean different things in different countries. Im starting to think that marxists view the word 'leftist' as some kind of magic spell and this is why they lose their shit whenever people use the word differently than them.

>leftist ideals align exactly with the interests of multinational corporations and the cosmopolitan managerial and professional classes That is, Bankers, academic apparatchiks, the media, do gooder NGOs, what these people re
This person is clearly referring to American liberals. No other country in the world uses "leftist" to refer to rainbow starbucks brown bag recycling corporate goons.

Yeah and im sure you know by now that right wing Americans use leftist to refer to anyone from liberals to anarchists. The common thread being that they will all band together to attack fascism/monarchism/other far right ideologies, so for purposes of politics they can be seen as a loose group of enemies.

So why do you care? Nobody is saying that communists are the same thing as progressive liberals, it's just a fucking word.

those "liberals" are leftist liberal not right wing. that's the face of the modern left. and no one gives a fuck about how some weebs on an obscure communist anime forum view the political spectrum.

>Nobody is saying that communists are the same thing as progressive liberals
This is exactly whats happening in this thread and thats 100% my point and what is a thousand times worse is the people conflating communists with liberals are themselves liberal conservatives in some kind of permanent purgatory of cognitive dissonance.

Funny jokes for boring folks. Imagination is my goddess.

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>that's the face of the modern left.
I mean if you actually believe that corporate advertisements represent reality then sure.

>no one gives a fuck about how some weebs on an obscure communist anime forum view the political spectrum
I'm not interested in what leftists think. When you don't have a proper orientation for what exists the actual difference between your position and others is a lot clearer. If you are talking about the political spectrum, which we are, it destroys conversation to limit it to what a burger can understand.

Just because the overton window is microscopic doesn't mean you should start intentionally conflating terms. This is the same problem as liberals saying Drumpf is literally Hitler.

Try to be more Nietzschean than me, I dare you and admire such an attempt, as such a success would be a shared victory.

What about when automation comes and everyone gets UBI. Shouldn't be too bad then

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stockerb.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/nietzsche-against-master-morality/

>The assumption is widespread that Nietzsche’s ethics can be explained as the master morality which he diagnoses in the Essay 1 of On the Genealogy of Morality. The assumption is widespread among those who are semi-informed, and even more disturbingly among those who have some claims to expertise on Nietzsche. As a reaction to Nietzsche, it’s not totally inappropriate, the texts do provoke the reader to think of master morality as something better than slave morality. That is somewhat different from a committment to master morality as a form of ethics.

nietzscheantwat.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/why-does-nietzsche-believe-that-slave-morality-is-something-we-must-reject-with-what-does-he-believe-we-ought-to-replace-it/
>However, Nietzsche would respond that he himself isn’t advocating the return of the master morality, pointing that the “overman” wouldn’t take pleasure in plain vain or hedonistic actions.

bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/the-master-and-slave-moralities-what-nietzsche-really-meant

>In any case, the Ubermensch, Nietzsche's transhuman ideal, would be “Beyond Good and Evil" and not fully committed to either one of these moralities alone.

I hope that user reads a book one day.

>However, this state is not a happy one and does not achieve full self-consciousness. The recognition by the slave is merely on pain of death. The master's self-consciousness is dependent on the slave for recognition and also has a mediated relation with nature: the slave works with nature and begins to shape it into products for the master. As the slave creates more and more products with greater and greater sophistication through his own creativity, he begins to see himself reflected in the products he created, he realises that the world around him was created by his own hands, thus the slave is no longer alienated from his own labour and achieves self-consciousness, while the master on the other hand has become wholly dependent on the products created by his slave; thus the master is enslaved by the labour of his slave.

>I hope that user reads a book one day.
I'm glad that people like you still do, user

Okay, not relevant to anything, try reading the thread I linked, and respond thoughtfully to it. I am the Uberbitch~

im not a burger
the communists lost when soviet union fell. all over the world they got fucked hard after 1991.
in my country the old school communists are 60+ years old retired workers who never recovered from traumas of how they were hunted by the government in the their youth and fall of the ussr. and then on the other side you have these "young cool communists" who really fucking believe that screeching on twitter can really change shit up. and they never protest or organize, just do these pathetic meetings and gatherings in posh areas.
they are literally using ideology as a fashion accessory.
now tell me what should i believe in?

The competition to be the Uberest is a contest to shine the brightest, not show what doesn't shine :D

I know there is something in you capable of shining more brightly than you can currently imagine. so it is with me, and everyone, forever - there are no limits to aspiration!

It's to easy for these fucks to understand. It's like it's secret or esoteric knowledge.
UBI is a scam to dump wages of the workers. It will be paid mostly be middle and upper socio professional categories (aka engineers, doctors, software computers) throught taxes. It won't be paid by the Capital.
Yeah sure. Soviet union was communist :s How long will people believe this? You cannot have wage labor and communism in the same sentence. Not possible.

Yes

>You cannot have wage labor and communism in the same sentence
you mean like they should have been paid in labor vouchers?
They couldn't do that, that was impractical for international trade.
If you mean labor should be voluntary that's peak ideological nonsense.

>Yeah sure. Soviet union was communist :s How long will people believe this? You cannot have wage labor and communism in the same sentence. Not possible.
lmaooo yeah okay. but sorry i don't like to discuss communism with 1st world westerns.

>lmaooo yeah okay. but sorry i don't like to discuss communism with 1st world westerns.
It´s not like you remember it either, zoomer. It´s common knowledge that people raised under communism are the demographic most likely to support it.

Just ignore the reactionary trolls. This can be difficult because they do everything they can for attention, and try to wedge themselves into any conversation they read.

y-yes

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So is the McDonald's franchise owner a capitalist, or only the corporate execs?

>globohomo
Stopped reading there.

t. Schlomo Shekelstein

You mean when 'we' have robots to shoot anyone who wants a piece of the Amaz/Aleph AI's adbucks

The future is shit

the moving image is the dominant medium of ideology

Bump

>'In hip hop', Simon Reynolds pointed out in a 1996 essay in The Wire magazine,'real' has two meanings. First, it means authentic, uncompromised music that refuses to sell out to the music industry and soften its message for crossover. 'Real' also signifies that the music reflects a 'reality' constituted by late capitalist economic instability, institutionalized racism, and increased surveillance and harassment of youth by the police. 'Real' means the death of the social: it means corporations who respond to increased profits not by raising pay or improving benefits but by .... downsizing (the laying-off the permanent workforce in order to create a floating employment pool of part-time and freelance workers without benefits or job security).

Remind me where Lil Nas X delves into downsizing, Marky Mark

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what book by him would you recommend

I am a leftist but I can't help but find sexually dominant neoliberal women like Ayn Rand Hillary Clinton or Ms Thatcher sexually irresistible.

lil nas x is an industry plant anyways

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this but unironically

Free markets are impossible

If you followed him on Instagram before he blew up then you would know he isn't.