Where should I start in philosophy to get to the endgame (Marxism Leninism)?

Where should I start in philosophy to get to the endgame (Marxism Leninism)?

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This is quite a lot of reading to decide to tear off in one chunk - this is a lifetime's work to actually get involved.. I'm not a Leninist, but I am a Marxist, and lucky for you I've been engaged in this project myself for about five years now.

Greeks:
>Presocratic fragments, especially Democritus. Marx's materialism was part of a long running conversation starting with the presocratic thinkers. His PhD was "the Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature" so you might want to know this groundwork to see how it influenced Marx. Also Epicurus, therefore.
> Plato. Just some of the important dialogues. Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Meno, Phaedo, plus Republic.
>Aristotle. Some people reckon Marx was a huge Aristotelian essentialist, others disagree. Read some Aristotle, as much as you can handle -- Physics, Metaphysics, Nicomachean Ethics, Politics.
Utopian Socialists etc. (only necessary if you want to really know what Marx was on about; wikipedia pages might just as well do here)
> Saint-Simon
> Fourier
> Proudhon, esp. "The Philosophy of Poverty"
German Idealists
> Kant - read the three Critiques, especially the Critique of Pure Reason. This is important to see where all this business of Idealism was coming from, and what was being done. Kant kind of kicked it off. Note: This is NOT a small task for faint of heart.
> Fichte, Schelling. More of the same.
And finally, and most importantly-- GEORG WILHELM FRIEDRICH HEGEL.
>The importance of Hegel can't be underestimated. You don't need to open your mouth and swallow him whole, because reading Hegel is like eating a brick, but I recommend you get as much Hegel as you can.
> Easy mode: The Preface to the Phenomenology of Spirit
> Moderate Mode: The Phenomenology of Spirit
> Hard mode: The Lesser, or Encyclopedia Logic
> O SHIT WAT R U DOIN: The Greater Logic/ The Science of Logic. I have read it, and it really was worth the read. Longterm influence on my thinking. That said, holy fuck it's not easy.
> GIVE ME DEUS EX: any other Hegel (Elements of the Philosophy of Right, etc.etc.). Only if you really like Hegelianism and want to know more.
Contemporaries, enemies, anarchists:
> Max Stirner, The Ego and His Own. Marx spent more words rebutting this book than Stirner did writing it, so you can see that it's important to get an understanding of it.
> Bakunin, Kropotkin. Not essential, but good to know what the other lefty thinkers in the Internationale period were saying. I like anarchism, but you'll soon learn that the anarchist big-brains don't really have anything to compare to the Marx-Engels corpus.
> Blanqui, Sorel, etc.

cont.

Hegel is the single most important modern philosopher

The answer is always Plato

The journey to Marx is really long. Not only that, but then you’ve got all the post-Marx bullshit too to deal with.

>mfw only read post marxist literature

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Marx and Engels:
> The Communist Manifesto, obviously. It's not the be-all end-all but its well written, and it is a meaningful building block of Marx's thought.
> Wage Labour and Capital and Value, Price and Profit. These are cut-down pamphlet length explanations. Reading them will get you quite a way to understanding the rudiments of Marx's economy.
> The German Ideology. Huge indepth shitpost about how bad German Idealist philosophy was.
> Critique of the Gotha Programme. Marx getting down to brass tacks and doing a line-by-line attack on a political manifesto of socialdemocracy that he thought failed to cut to the heart of what needed to be done
> Capital, Vol I. This is the main one. Feel free to take big breaks between reading this and anything else.
> Capital, Vols II and III. Really rounds it out and provides an exceedingly comprehensive view of his economics. I'm almost finished Vol III at the moment and I cannot recommend it enough. Just pace yourself. The Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall (and why it does so) is a huge, invaluable concept.
> Theories of Surplus Value. A three-volume set that has been called 'the fourth volume of Capital". Obviously only read this if you're deep into Marxist scholarship.
> A bunch of other Marx -- 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon, Civil War journalism, etc. Worth reading but only when you get time.
> Engels, The Origin of Family, Private Property and the State. A bit scientifically dated now but the arguments still hold up quite well -- it's a document of attempting to discover, not declaring ultimate truth once and for all.
> Engels, Anti-Duhrung. Philosophy and materialism again.
> Engels, Socialism Utopian and Scientific. Worth a read, succinct explanation of why Marxism is scientific socialism, how it tries to avoid utopian delusion, etc.

After Marx
> Rosa Luxembourg. Good Marxist thinker, actually wrote economics, The Accumulation of Capital I found quite worth the read.\

cont.

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Lenin, Trotsky, Mao
> Lenin, What is to be Done. This is the book, written I think in 1903, where he lays out elements of what became Leninist strategy -- the newspaper as the scaffolding of the party, the need for political campaigning instead of purely unionist 'economist' struggles.
> Lenin, Capitalism the highest stage of Imperialism. Lenin's analysis of imperialist capitalism, also has long discussion of monopoly forming behaviour and the way capitalism captures the state which is still very very relevant today.
> Lenin, The State and Revolution. Lenin goes into his theory of the state, how it will end up withering away, etc. I see it kind of as an attempt to cozy up to the anarchists during the revolution.
> Trotsky, The Permanent Revolution. How Trotsky saw revolution.
> Trotsky, The Revolution Betrayed. How Trotsky thought Stalin ruined everything. Everything!
> Trotsky also wrote a pretty good, big, long history of the Russian Revolution, although obviously it's very friendly on Trotsky and has some passages which boil down to "Trotsky was cool and manly and Stalin from school was a megga ass faggot don't @ me".
> Mao, Four Essays on Philosophy. I'm not anything like a Maoist now, but this was a huge influence on me when I was just starting to get political, before I was active or engaged. "On Practice," "On Contradiction," "On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People," and "Where Do Correct Ideas Come From?" are all worth a read, and short.

You might also want to consider reading some Marxist Ecology - John Bellamy Foster is the big name in the field.

Also googlle Murray Bookchin. Don't read Bordiga.

Well that's an effortpost I know never to bother with again.See you at the bottom of the catalog!

>Also googlle Murray Bookchin
Welp, there goes all your credibility.

>don't read bordiga
>google bookchin
You have wasted 5 years of your life.

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the post-marxists are more correct than marx

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18th Brumaire is essential to understanding revolutions imo

Thanks for actually tackling my question, I didnt expect so much from a Yea Forums board based from prior experience. I'm probably out of my element in regards to my plans to tackle theory but I'm sick of hearing people in college just assert shit and me not having the background to actually engage with any of it.

decolonialism and queer theory are more relevant than marx in the current contexts. Marxism is inextricably bound with a white supremacist and colonial project. Was the subaltern ever asked if it wanted to be subsumed within the spectre of the proletariat?

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Stop falseflagging you fucking glow in the dark.

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>google murray bookchin!

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You have to admit Marxism is to often used as an escapehatch by white men who want to avoid a serious moral confrontation with their whiteness and a serious moral engagement with feminism and anti racism and a serious acknowledgement of their very real privilege, too often it can take the shape of adolescent fantasies of apocalyptic violence and a cynical anti moralism that is not to far away from the alt right. Marginalised people don't have time for fantasies of smashing the system, they are struggling for inclusion in that very system and thus struggling for their very lives.

Can anyone explain karl marx critique of the division of labor?
Did he expect everyone to be a renaissance man ir something?

Okay, but it doesn’t explain away the accurate analysis of capitalism that Marxism presents, because material oppression is the fundamental to all living beings, and not identity struggles (which I do acknowledge exists, but is not primary to the discussion and is often blinding to the real oppressions of the world). Having a black butch lesbian CEO doesn’t abolish the oppressive basis of the value-form.

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Adolescence is calling yourself a Marxist Leninist, hating Amerikkka and placing your hope in random third world tinpot dictators.

Adulthood is realising the RAND corporation DARPA and the CIA were the real communist vanguard all along, and that communism means nothing less and nothing more than a global hegelian/kojevian/fukuyamian State of Right actualised into virtual reality by the internet

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almost none of them actually read him

no, i don't

what does abolishing the value form even mean? That sort of marxist purism is utterly useful to describe the daily lives of actual people, and it can easily veer into i'm as oppressed as POC and queers because I have to go to work every monday and I make a point about hating pop culture because muh spectacle

That's not the real endgame.

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God, marxists are fags

for bakunin marxism freedom and the state is pretty mandatory for understanding the dispute at the 2nd international.

The guy can't even explain value, let alone labor.

nice bait you fag

Heidegger is true endgame

>and not identity struggles (which I do acknowledge exists, but is not primary to the discussion and is often blinding to the real oppressions of the world)
Material oppression IS identity struggle.
The Proletariat is a distinct identity, identifiable in the whole world during the whole of history and so is The Capitalist.
There can only be Eternal war across race, nation and religious lines.

Does anyone have the satanic Hegel picture without the guy and the books?

That is exactly the reason I started reading. I wanted to go to primary sources because I was sick of people just asserting shit. Especially PhD student types who have been reading tertiary sources for years but often haven't opened the originals.

>hasn't even started
>thinks he knows the endgame
Fucking brainlet

hey marxist i did the math.
The US gdp is 20 trillion
lets say production was cut in half because of less working hours
10 trillion
lets say we were somehow able to keep the same rate of productivity as right now.
then if those 10 trillion were redistributed equally among 320 million people itd be
10,000,000,000,000/320000000=31250
So yeah roughly 32k for every citizen
But wait
The state needs its revenue
so out of that 32k youd get a fraction of that...
yay communism

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I'm sorry if my english isn't the best as I'm just a filthy ESLfag.

You forgot to include Hobbes, all the Enlightenment writers and Adam Smith for the classical economics. Also, I would include Stirner's Critics and change "The Ego and His Own" to "The Unique and Its Property", the new, and more faithful to the original, translation.

And reading Kant without taking into account his epistemological background looks like a great way of wasting your time. You cannot separate him from Descartes, Leibniz and at least Hume.

I don't really want to sound like some kind of pseud but I believe that you cannot ignore all those books if you want to not only know about Marx (like 80% of marxists-lenilists do) but the general history of metaphysics and political philosophy.

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>10 trillion
No, not "10 trillion". Your dumb hypothetical is about a pre-communist society.
>Within the co-operative society based on common ownership of the means of production, the producers do not exchange their products; just as little does the labor employed on the products appear there as the value of these products