Why is Vegan philosophy so difficult to contend with?
>People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times.
― Isaac Bashevis Singer
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People need meat to survive and be healthy, they don't need to murder to survive.
The protein in non meat sources doesn't work the same as meat protein, it doesn't help us anywhere near as much as we need. Humans need meat, it's a simple fact. But above all else, fuck you faggot I'll eat whatever the fuck I want meat is fucking delicious and I'll bathe in the blood of a billion cows to get it.
>meat
>delicious
that's the seasoning
No, it's not. I hunt deer and eat it with nothing but some pepper. It's fucking delicious.
>b-but it's delicious!"
That's literally the one argument a discussion with omnivores always boils down to. You're incapable of examining your own harmful habits.
>Harmful habits
Faggot, your body needs protein and protein from meat. Vegetable protein doesn't help you, supplements do not help you. Your body needs it and that's why it's delicious.
I don't care if the poor wittle baby cow gets chopped up into a thousand pieces. It's an animal, nature is a cunt. Get over it you oversocialised, limp wristed, whiny queer.
The natural conclusion from this is that I demand human milkies
"People need meat to survive"
Only a retard would say something like that. And only a retard is willingly to participating the suffering and pain of animals contemned in the sad, dark and miserably facilities they call farms.
Over 8 million people follow vegetarian diet in USA only. In India, over 1.2 billion people are vegetarian/vegans.
And these people are the most healthy there is. Compare some fucking fatties going in-and-out of McFuckingShittards and people preparing vegetables and beans.
>Bodybuilders
>Not using roids
Shit example moron
>the suffering and pain of animals
Why do you care about the cows but not the millions of germs you tread on each day? Or the spiders? Or the flies? Or the bees?
>C-Cows can feel pain though!
So what? It's not a person, it's an animal. If we didn't eat cows, wolves would.
Body needs protein. True.
Body needs meat protein. False.
Have a better life. Go vegan.
Or atleast vegetarian diet :)
Why on earth would human beings waste 300,000 years hunting animals for food if they could comfortably subsist off vegetables and fruit? Well?
>People need meat to survive and be healthy
This appears to be false.
What about the proven health benefits of plant-based diets?
What about the association of red meat and other animal products with heart disease, diabetes, inflammation etc.?
If you dont need meat to survive and be healthy, its unneccessariness makes it unjustified; inflicting harm and suffering upon a living sentient being is unethical.
You're trying too hard
Not him, but I do really believe you're role-playing in this thread.
If modern day farmer faggots with too, too big loans, too big tractors and trucks wouldnt rape the cows, inseminated them, take away their calfs there wouldnt be cows for wolves to eat :)
This conversation is a fun but also a sad example how stupid meat eaters are.
Nope
>What about the association of red meat and other animal products with heart disease, diabetes, inflammation etc.?
Lies sold to you by the junk food industry
logic 101
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You really are, the way you associate meat eating with masculinity says it all. I've seen this tryhard grug real man grug eat meat crock everywhere.
If you're just as much of a real man then fight me and we'll see who wins
Phrasing something Gary Y once said.
Every hospital is filled with meat eating people having all kinds of diseases, cancers and other shit consuming manipulated meatproducts.
But go and show a hospital filled with vegans. Theres none.
Lol Americans really are fucking niggers
Half of then are dyel. The other half built their muscle on meat and maintain on began
>naturalistic fallacy bad when I don't like it
>naturalistic fallacy good when I do
Associating meat eating with masculinity is a sign of a lacking self awarness. Or maybe you are afraid to be different than people around you. Saying i dont eat meat over a fucking disqusting barbaque party is hard. I get you user. You are not man enough to stand strong on whats right thing to do. But maybe this thread helps you. If you feel that somehow you will be left outside just because you dont eat meat, dont worry, they are fucking pathetic people with too much television in their brain and you will do better without those people. Be wise. Do the right thing. For the animals. You know they are millions of them suffering, shivering, abused at this moment...
There are no old fatties either. What's your point?
whoa it's almost like you can eat literally whatever the fuck you want if you're taking steroids.
This guy has never eaten meat in his life.
He was born to parents who converted to Hinduism so was raised vegetarian.
Lmao steakbrains getting BTFO itt
How did he do it though?
Also this guy has never eaten meat and at least imo he's pretty damn masculine.
>How did he do it though?
Human Growth Hormone and Dbol
what is wrong with the people on this fucking site
Roids you idiot look at him
do vegans actually believe that hospital patients are surveyed as to their potential vegan status when being admitted?
>eat meat
>do tons of steroids
>claim you've always been a vegan
>nobody can disprove it
>???????
>INSTAGRAM PROFIT!
>Your mother is not a cow.
My mother is a fish.
And it's not just about eating meat but the industry behind it. Every burger, every sausage, every meat product you buy, you are supporting the corprotive use of animals which they dont have any value, just misery.
From the day they born till the day they are killed. Their whole life is just torment and last minutes of their lives they are just wittnesing to death of the animals in front of them. Hearing the screams, seeing the blood...
If you really think this trough, i cannot imagine how would anybody wants to continue eating the way they just "inherited" from their parents and friends.
>Varinder Ghuman is an Indian Professional Bodybuilder. He is a devout vegetarian, and has never touched egg or meat in his life. His diet includes Indian vegetarian food, milk and milk products.
The industry behind.
And a metric shitton of roids
>If you really think this trough, i cannot imagine how would anybody wants to continue eating the way they just "inherited" from their parents and friends.
Because they're animals and we're at the top of the food chain. Your empathy makes you weak.
>How did he do it though?
seriously? that guy is roided beyond belief. he's probably also lying about being a vegan, since it's not actually required by hinduism and in fact many of them virtue signal about vegetarianism in public while eating meat in private.
t. work with many "vegetarian" pajeets who knowingly eat pretty much every meat except for beef.
Lol, animals are inferior and irrational but we should emulate the state of nature anyways. Retard.
why do they always casually forget to mention the 24/7 IV hookup of steroids flowing through these guy's veins.
First off predation is not like murder. When you hunt you are playing a game and you are given meat. When you murder, you are breaking the rules and taking a life.
I get that domesticated, especially commercialized livestock is bad and I reject it. Hunting is a good thing and it brings us closer to life. Denying death denies life. That being said nobody should ever hunt with food in their stomach. Some pastoralism is okay, just like some agriculture is okay, but both as they exist in the market are horrid practices that are extremely alienating and unethical. Not to mention that agriculture rapes the land wholesale and abstracts the life out of plants reducing them to inanimate automations that are either "crops" or "weeds" I'd wager that the average vegan couldn't accurately identify 6 native plants.
I'm all for opposing factory farming, I don't think that problem can be fixed through lifestyle changes. All vegans need to acknowledge how fucked up agriculture really is, and should start hunting and gardening if they want to change their lifestyle meaningfully. I get that veganarchists do that but they tend to be anti-hunting vegans which is beyond retarded.
>but we should emulate the state of nature anyways. Retard.
The weak die, the strong survive. Cows are defenseless against humans.
>Vegan Philosophy
>People often say that humans have always eaten animals, as if this is a justification for continuing the practice. According to this logic, we should not try to prevent people from murdering other people, since this has also been done since the earliest of times.
Humans arent equal to animals, and even animals arent equal to other animals. I may have a specific cow for a pet and still kill and eat other cows for meat, because i like it. The same applies to humans where i like some people and hate others. There is no logic of "hurr if you kill animals you have to kill humans" because humans are not equal to the rest of animals and to kill a human i have a lot of other factors to consider.
There is nothing more dumb and christian-like than this vegan narrative that puts a moral imperative ilusion on top of us all as if we are all equals and should obey to something just because some dumb fucks cant stand being in a world where we kill animals. The vegan morality is life negating
Sitting on computer, driving car to work, eating fast food... These kind of things make you weak.
Not empathy. Im proud for it. It's one of the few things you can feel good, knowing that you are doing your part of not causing pain for animals. You dont get that deep kind of gratefulness from getting instagram followers, big muscles or something like that. You should try ;)
>we should kill things simply because we're capable of it and they can't stop us
based future-mass-shooter incel
>cringy might is right faggotry
God give me strength.
yes and?
You can't shame me. I don't care. They're animals and I WILL eat them.
checkmate meathead
You better hope he does before I kill you moron.
imagine actually being proud of being an obese incel who gluttons himself on meat from the supermarket.
based and beefpilled
>we should
why should we emulate the state of nature?
We shouldn't, my point is that he has apparently a god-given right to eat animals because they are inferior, irrational creatures but he looks to animals and predation to tell him how to conduct himself towards animals. They're simultaneously undeserving of our consideration and role models to aspire to
If tigers could talk, they'd say some gay shit like that
I eat meat because I want to and because my body needs it to survive. Fuck off.
It doesn't need it to survive, you just want to because it tastes good you big fat baby bitch
>posts a kid eating fries and drinking cola
meat bad
It's not about the killing.
It's about the life long suffering which this generation of meat eaters are causing for animals.
It's about lack of understand that the animal is a living and feeling being.
If you think about history. Sure, people have hunted and eated meat for suppliment. But they respected the pray. Fucking worshipped them as gods, painted their pictures in the rocks.
i don't give a shit about animals
>It doesn't need it to survive
It does, fuck off.
is there a different kind of feces aside from "rectal feces" that we're not aware of?
Id be vegan but meat tastes really good and isnt hard to prepare. When your vegan food starts tasting better than meat then ill stop.
Primates are omnivores
>my point is that he has apparently a god-given right to eat animals because they are inferior
So why shouldnt he kill and eat the animals he wants if he so capable of doing it?
Dumb faggot
Why shouldn't I bend your teenage daughter over and fuck her in the food court because I can? Stupid fucking nigger
Because my daughter is a human and a cow isn't.
have a look at this board. mental feces.
Because if you do it i get mad and cut your cock off.
i would call her subhuman if she eats meat and therefore food court is open for other things also.
Human philosophy in general is contradictory to nature if it's not full dedication to shit like natural selection.
This is why I eat meat and am an asshole to all except those who increase my survivorship and enable me to mate.
No, your argument is predicated on what you can or can do to a defenseless creature. Your teenage daughter is a defenseless creature when I'm alone with her, thanks bro.
What is this mystical property of "being human" that spares your daughter this?
Because before they didn't have billions of farmers and a massive farming industry spanning across the entire planet.
i eat meat yet im borderline underweight
Just answer the argument you fucking cretin
You think that farm animals wont try to defense and protect their babies? ... Point proven again. You are too fucking ego-centric playstation playing comedy wathching mind numbing waste of fauna space.
the only based dietary ethics is cannibalism
>they must be lying!
Assuming they are lying with no proof is mere cope, not an argument.
Even if they are on steroids it still proves you dont need to eat meat to have muscle.
>Why do you care about humans they are just animals.
>If you didn't kill them something else would.
Just because we step on insect by walking around doesn't mean we have to support and uphold factory farming and unnecessary suffering to produce lower quality food that gets wasted an masse.
Dahmer retroactively refuted both animal eaters and vegans
Well that reply wasnt me but i will answer it anyway.
>What is this mystical property of "being human" that spares your daughter this?
Her relation to me unique and it would be my will to gut you if you did anything to her. Animals and people are unique and i may have a dog for a pet while still killing other dogs for my consume, the same way i like my daughter but i would kill you.
The animal cant do anything to me, so there is nothing to stop me from killing him. If he is not capable he has no right. If i cut his eyes he has no right to see since he cant see.
I honestly dont know what kind of "logic" you are using
>t. american who puts a ton of "flavours" on their "food" since birth because their tongues rotted away from all the sugar
People who can stop eating animals should, the rest should treat animals with respect and consume consciously.
>we have to support and uphold factory farming and unnecessary suffering to produce lower quality food that gets wasted an masse.
No i support the killing and suffering of those animals and there is nothing wrong with it.
Then I just catch her when you're not around you stupid fucking nigger retard. What is this dogshit argument?
didn't realise they had internet down there in buttfuck alabama
be careful about using it in front of the other rednecks, they might think it's witchcraft
Or they can do what farmers do to animals.
Tie your hands behind your big belly back and make you watch when child is abused.
Well okay if you think so.
I just hope we won't live in the future in a world shaped by people like you.
Then what can i do about it? If its your will to catch my daughter and you can do it, there is nothing i can do to stop it.
Same way i can catch any animal i will to and gut his skin off if i will to it. Whats the point of talking stupid godly rules?
Yes, it is my will and there is nothing you can do about it. My will is my right. This is the future you chose.
Damn it must be fun living in Max Stirner universe where everybody only thinks about themselves and their needs and protect and conquer everything by force and don't give a shit about anything else.
Looks like someone is out of "facts and logic" to throw
And i just hope that equality preachers like you stay in the plebe and never and no one listens to your retarded moral system that is anti-life.
>wanton consumption is pro-life
Oh say can you seeeee
Humans are not animals.
Why?
Because humans have the mental capacity to distinguish between themselves and animals.
Cogito ergo sum.
Why don't vegans care about plants? They also feel pain, in their own unique way, they get scared when someone rips of a leaf. They also don't want to be eaten. They can communicate, some can even warn other plants if a predator is near by. No one cares about poor plants.
Animals are capable of rudimentary abstraction. The difference is a difference of degree and not kind.
They do friend, they do.
>milk is natural
>man is natural
>man drinks milk
>man develops an enzym to digest milk
hurr durr its unnatural, me smart
The fewest animals even have self-awareness, so they are by definition incapable of distinguishing between themselves and beings not of their kind. They see others either as belonging to their social group or not, but they cannot comprehend the concept of morality of eating specific species.
And so is my will to kill the animal and nothing you can do about it. And so is my will to kill you if you try to get my daughter. My will is always right as long as i can do it.
You already live in it for the most time, you are just trying to make a moral out of your will and saying its should be on top of all of us for some stupid ass reason. And your use of "logic" is simply trying to create some imperative out of your ass saying that we are all equal and if i kill a animal then i should kill a human too.
You are dumb as fuck.
And you cant come up with any imperative.
Maybe not, but it doesn't mean their distress isn't real
> like you stay in the plebe and never and no one listens to your retarded moral system
Too bad for you we already have moral codes and laws and even animal protection laws and these are slowly becoming more concrete and applied.
Sorry weirdo you better go live in a forest somewhere if you want to live your power fantasies.
>that is anti-life.
Nice naturalistic morality there you fucking fag.
You cares what life is "supposed to be".
Homeboy GOMADS like a motherfucker
First of all. You need to breath, deep. Feel the air filling your lungs. Apperiate life. I feel that you are surrounded by so many material things and graving even for more that you have missed these kind of real things.
Conversation was never about the rules. Ofc here are no rules. He can throatfuck your girl if he will and you can kill defenseless animal if you will.
But there are ethics and morality. Some things are just way out of justification. Like modern day slaving and torment of animals for example.
And you are calling moral and the concern of animal lives Anti-Life? Well. You should try to reflect your life at this moment. Sitting in the room, clicking mouse in front of the bright screen. Maybe browining Yea Forums, maybe browsing eCommerce stores to find something to purchase. Worst case scenario, eating something overly prosessed food which contains nothing natural at the same time.
When did you last time felt rain in your face, wind on your face. When did you stopped to ss bird sing and appreciated living ecosystem around you.
So the argument against the original point is.... what exactly?
> you are just trying to make a moral out of your will
Yeah and considering that most of it is encoded and protected by the state which is the exclusive holder of violence in human society then it is will imposed by force so unless you can avoid law enforcement or destroy the state you better comply because you just like a deer hunted by a wolf otherwise.
That's how it works buddy.
That the difference between human and animal consciousness is not a quantum leap, but a matter of intensity.
But more plants are killed to "feed" a vegan than animals. One animal can feed a whole family while you have to kill dozens of plants to feed just one vegan. You see videos of vegans and they stuff their faces with plants the whole day, killing many poor plants. Where are the tears? It is even worse when you realize that plants are still alive from the moment they are plucked to the point when a vegan starts to eat them.
The absolute state of Yea Forums.
Why do I even bother with this place anymore.
This is just Facebook.
I hate this.
Where is this from?
What do you want me to tell you dude? You either work to minimize your suffering footprint or die. The fuck? You think I don't know nature is eating itself alive? It's the type of people who make these threads that know it more than anyone
And what do you think a cow eats? Air and sunlight?
A large part of grain production goes to feed animals so you won't save more plants by going carnivorous.
>Too bad for you we already have moral codes and laws and even animal protection laws and these are slowly becoming more concrete and applied.
Moral codes dont do shit. And i can still do whatever i want if the legal system doesnt catch me. I can still gut my chickens for pleasure if i would like to.
>Nice naturalistic morality there you fucking fag. You cares what life is "supposed to be".
Its not supposed to be a naturalistic falacy or even a appeal to nature. My point is that the world you try to convey is so agaisnt certain human instincts that it can only be a product of some sick and weak faggot with little will to live. But its of not use talking about this.
People like you go against my instincts, and who the fuck are you tell me your instincts take priority over mine? Stop generalizing your subhuman proclivities you fucking germ
Cows can't comprehend Kant so they deserve to be factory farmed.
Why do animals and plant deserve life but bacteria doesnt?
So you finally boiled down your "argument" of moral imperatives to nothing but the will of the goverment?
Great. Now please notice that the goverment still doesnt care the majority about this and neither do most people want to stop eating delicious meat because some blockheads like you cry about it. And even if it were to ban meat, there would be a huge black market for it.
Plant-based does not mean meat-free. No plant with protein has all 9 enzymes that make up a complete protein molecule. If you're not eating complete protein, its not helping your body at all.
Power of Myth Joseph Campbell
Yeah as i said you can do whatever you want.
But the full force of society is stronger than yours so if animal protection law passes and get enforced and you get caught killing animals for pleasure you get you ass jailed and you can only bitch and moan about it.
Your will is nothing against the collective will and the collective will will crush you for it if you try to kill or rape a humans or do other things it doesn't like. And guess what it evolves and might extend some rights to animals and it my opinion we should and if it happens their is nothing you can do about it besides being a weirdo killing a chicken at night for whatever degenerate reason that you might enjoy the suffering of another being.
>My point is that the world you try to convey is so agaisnt certain human instincts that it can only be a product of some sick and weak faggot with little will to live.
Our entire society is made on idea of repressing humans instincts like getting high with hallucinogenic plants, raping when you want to have sex killing someone because he wronged you, building things without permits etc...
You are the disillusioned guy living in a fantasy world here not me.
>some pepper
Again, that's the seasoning.
Of course i go agaisnt what you like, i can do whatever i want to animals and you resent it, you are slave morality afterall. Just my shadow annoyed agaisnt the life of the masters that take joy in the power they have to do what they want.
> and who the fuck are you tell me your instincts take priority over mine?
Me, myself.
> Stop generalizing your subhuman proclivities you fucking germ
And you stop trying to make cosmic imperative to people who like to eat meat with your "Humanistic" aborts of christian morality.
Natural world is against human instincts?
Wow. You really have lost the origns from your forefathers.
You know the example of child, bunny and a apple. But them in a bin. Which would child eat and which would it pet and get satisfaction.
It is the way you were raised. It has nothing to do with instinct if you learn from your father that from market you can buy plastic wrapped meat of dead animal and eat it.
And the world i try to convey. Would be a world with minimun amount of human distraction to it. But you are obviously too fucking ego-centric to think about anything but the world of yourself and your sperm dripping girl.
>stop trying to make cosmic imperative
learn how to talk and think first you fucking gimp
Before there weren't animal protection laws and now there is.
And there are many debates about extending rights to animals and there are many regulations to alleviate the conditions on certain farms.
There is progress.
You seem to be pretty mad about this did you built up your entire self worth and masculinity upon eating meat and killing things? Are you mad at the world and want to impose your will upon others because you feel weak inside or something?
i've literally never heard of this "example" before, but in reality children are sociopaths who haven't developed empathy yet, and would probably kill the rabbit--maybe on accident, maybe out of curiosity-- and eat the apple.
Kekmate
>animals eat plants
>plants eat dirt
>cutting out the unnecessary middle man makes a process more efficient
>you should eat dirt
>its science
I think you people suffering from something called "taking someone else's views and pushing them to the extreme so you can make them look like idiots, and not having to make a compelling argument". It's a mouthful, but it's pretty common nowadays.
These posts are so fucking smug I wanna eat meat just out of spite
You sound like an idiot. Life is not static, everything is moving. If someone is able to take advantage of the current situation and push their moderate ideology, the more extreme members of that ideology will be able to take advantage of that future situation and push theirs. Everything is a trend, so logically we should be arguing what will be.
You can eat my meat daddy I'll be your dirty little girl :)
I feel the same. At least here you are not the only one who feels that way.
As if vegans don't use a shit tin of dressing on their leaves to even make it edible.
AAAHHHHHHH I NEED TO COOOM
That's irrelevant, your argument was that the deer was 'fucking delicious' without any seasonings, yet you also admitted you eat said deer with pepper.
Please don't contradict yourself, senpai. It's no good.
>Yeah as i said you can do whatever you want.
You never said such thing.
>Muh soceity is going to get you to jail.
Of course they can, and its my will to avoid it and do the things i like without being caught.
>Your will is nothing against the collective
haha, rape and killing are ilegal and they do still happen a lot and with people getting away with it.
>Our entire society is made on idea of repressing humans instincts like getting high with hallucinogenic plants, raping when you want to have sex killing someone because he wronged you, building things without permits etc...
Repressing instincts is what religious nihilists do, its what makes people depressed and without will to life. The fact that you have more and more people resorting to drugs like weed for escapism and the younger generations being more tame, more depressed and less ambitious is proof of that. A person who is high in life tries to go and kill the person who murdered his loved one instead of crying in the corner thinking "but killing is wrong!". This whole train you put foward is just a grand cuckery of the individual.
>You are the disillusioned guy living in a fantasy world here not me.
What? The world works way more in favour of my prespectives than your stupid shit, hahahaah.
"If we all just follow X and obey Y the world would be a better place bruh" stop this unrealistic and christian mentality.
Stop referencing Nietzsche's ideas if you don't actually understand them fucking sped niggerrrr
:) give me your email and I'll show you my tiny little feminine pp
>Why shouldn't I bend your teenage daughter over and fuck her in the food court because I can? Stupid fucking nigger
Absolute state of vegan pedophile incelz lololololilol
Autist
Sorry if my ESL bothered you chimp.
And who cares if people debate and make laws about it, people still do have instincts to kill animals, hate eachother and enjoy meat. You have laws agaisnt violence and people still beat eachother up, kill and rape. And the goverment still makes good amounts of wealth from that. So its not the goverments will to stop crime. The moment you have a goverment that can crush 100% of the black market you are no longer living in the a democracy and so you can throw your morality even more out of the window.
Come talk to me when you can castrate a person so much that he can get all beaten up and not feel a single drop of anger.
Will you actually?
Pedo rapist fantasy lmao. Have fun being raped in prison.
Ad hominem
You think it's wrong to eat animals yet you probably fantasize about fucking them too, you absolute degenerate.
>w-well you probably
Shut the fuck up lol
>You never said such thing.
I didn't because it's obvious, but yes you can go out in the street and shoot someone right now you have the physical ability. It's just that the combined will of others (society) will try to stop you or punish you for it.
By the way you are much more cucked then anyone could ever be by fetishising you "will" as some sort of holy word. Your will is the product of your life and environment, of society itself. You wouldn't care about "delicious" meat if you never tasted it before. You wouldn't get a massive boner from killing something if you lived a healthy life.
Yes society forbids people from killing and raping each other. Sadly law enforcement are still not good enough to catch and neutralize degenerate elements that try to do these things still. But as times passes the more it will be able to and hopefully laws protect animals suffering much more and isolate weird insecure people that want to hurt other beings to make themselves feel so strong and badass.
Humans instincts and will are flawed and need to be repressed for us to get together and accomplish great things.
>You seem to be pretty mad about this.
Im honestly not mad about the laws in general, but i do get mad if a sissy sick human tries to impose these things on me like imperatives, i can still kill my animals when i feel like it.
>did you built up your entire self worth and masculinity upon eating meat and killing things? Are you mad at the world and want to impose your will upon others because you feel weak inside or something?
I dont fall for identity shit like "masculinity" i just do what i feel like because i want and not to obey some "wait is it manly to do this?" mindset. Im not mad at the world, but i sure do like to impose my will on others. Same way you try to impose you will with lame dumb masks of illusions called "morality". So you should too ask yourself if you are feeling weak inside for trying to impose the anti-meat policy on me.
You "instincts" are massive spooks that you built up your personality upon to appear assertive and strong. Instincts are plastic and can be bent as as been proven multiple times in history. And they should.
>Come talk to me when you can castrate a person so much that he can get all beaten up and not feel a single drop of anger.
That's called being enlightened, something you obviously wouldn't understand as you are a slave to your bodily needs. Dare i say, an animal like any other.
>what is fur
It's ok I don't judge, you can go create a new super STD in old macdonalds farm for all i care, I eat local foods anyway.
Eunuch
> i can still kill my animals when i feel like it.
And other can punish you for it when they feel like it. We got it no need to repeat that point like a broken clock.
>Same way you try to impose you will with lame dumb masks of illusions called "morality"
Morality is feeling and so i do what i feel like just like you. And if it goes to impose it on others through my own power or through the power of society then yes, i shall.
Nope. Morality is just what you call the will counter to yours. You can't imagine someone could give into their will and still want to kill subhumans like you.
Dont try to defang it with the pseudo-Nietzchean rhetoric, if you want to kill things for fun you are definitely in your right. whose going to stop you, the trees? No, its other wills like mine that want to split your wig for it.
yeah im a slut
Your complex about castration is interesting. Do you feel emasculated by the idea of not eating meat? Would it bother you to not behave "manly"? You said before you didn't care about "masculine" identity but your usage of the idea of castration as a result of not being able to fully accomplish your will does seem like a masculinity complex. You have many spooks to get rid off yet.
>I didn't because it's obvious, but yes you can go out in the street and shoot someone right now you have the physical ability. It's just that the combined will of others (society) will try to stop you or punish you for it.
Yes we already reached this conclusion before.
>By the way you are much more cucked then anyone could ever be by fetishising you "will" as some sort of holy word. Your will is the product of your life and environment, of society itself. You wouldn't care about "delicious" meat if you never tasted it before.
Of course my will is condicioned by other things in the past and many out of my reach, but so what? Its my will afterall and nothing stands on top of it.
>You wouldn't get a massive boner from killing something if you lived a healthy life.
Healthy life in what sense? If i have the will to kill a person im not healthy to you? hahahahahah
You should also go read a history book or something.
>protect animals suffering much more and isolate weird insecure people that want to hurt other beings to make themselves feel so strong and badass.
Its precisely weak and insecure people who make those laws because they cant correspond to a person who is willing to kill another animal or are afraid of the potencial harm it can do to them. They are the ones that are scared of their own emotions and instincts and run away from themselves and make laws to stop others. The irony of the post.
>Humans instincts and will are flawed and need to be repressed for us to get together and accomplish great things.
Yeah, go drink bleach and cut your ball sack off then. You are agaisnt life itself.
So you end up solving nothing, and just making the side you are arguing with disliking you even more. Got it, that's how I'll approach all my problems form now on. Before making any decision I'll ask myself what would a retarded mentally handicapped version of myself do. I mean, I should be ahead of the trend, right?
Sorry im not the same guy, user. You seemed to imply that you are emasculated in the post I quoted. I'm trying to see things from your point of view.
>We got it no need to repeat that point like a broken clock.
Exactly, my point was that i can right now leave my house to my chicken house, grab one, cut its neck and make some nice grilled chicken breast with it that tastes way better than anything on the market. And neither the goverment or the people care about it.
>Morality is feeling and so i do what i feel like just like you. And if it goes to impose it on others through my own power or through the power of society then yes, i shall.
So you afterall admit morality being a fake knowledge to control other people. So much the better.
>Morality is just what you call the will counter to yours. You can't imagine someone could give into their will and still want to kill subhumans like you.
Yes i do imagine and they can try their best to assert their will. They will just have to fight me.
>Dont try to defang it with the pseudo-Nietzchean rhetoric,
Well the other user already admited being a castrated weak inbread boy, so i guess my Nietzschean rhetoric didnt fail.
>if you want to kill things for fun you are definitely in your right. whose going to stop you, the trees? No, its other wills like mine that want to split your wig for it.
Thats exactly my point, there is no moral imperative to get on top of me. Your will can fight as much agaisnt mine, but i wont fall for a moral logic shitstorm that you try to impose like religion. Get Over it.
Killing for necessity is one thing. For sport and pleasure is another. It show that your "sacred" will is lacking in empathy.
People that hurts animals for pleasure are only a small step away from hurting humans for pleasure. Which is why there are laws against this and people have been jailed for it.
So yes this type of behavior is not healthy to live in a society, in my opinion, and i'm glad society agrees with me.
>Yeah, go drink bleach and cut your ball sack off then. You are agaisnt life itself.
Get off this computer and go run naked in the woods then if you are afraid of any restriction. How do you think society and industry is built? Upon common discipline and self repression for common accomplishment. You think wars and industrial production rest upon individual wills doing what they want? You think in a battlefield you can just do as you want without repercussions?
If you don't like this go live in the forest you will be free to do as you want and die from malaria or something.
It did fail because Nietzsche wanted you to overcome both instincts and the instinct to repress instincts, you're as much a slave as the other side.
>So you afterall admit morality being a fake knowledge to control other people. So much the better.
I never implied otherwise.
> And neither the goverment or the people care about it.
For now.
He implying it was "castrated" behavior to not act upon our instincts like an ape.
I just say that self control is actually the only thing that makes us a little above animals in general and consider it a good thing if done properly.
And i don't care if this idea is accused of being "castrated" or "without balls" it says more about the accuser than me.