Why has there never been a single good conservative novelist? Are they incapable of good art?

>Why has there never been a single good conservative novelist? Are they incapable of good art?
>how about x?
>oh yeah, x was to the left of Stalin back in the day, didn't you know?

Every time.

Why tho? Are there really no great works with a politics at their heart?

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American conservativism is the hegemony, because America is most powerful. The hegemony has no need to criticize, create, subvert, or argue because it has already achieved its goal.

Politics are a spook, you fucking troglodyte. Art is a reflection of the human spirit. What you're after is nothing but trivial occurrences.

Mishima had an insanely radical nationalist imperialist traditionalist ideology. He was far from a conservative, which by definition is attempting to uphold the norms of the here and now.

you could argue a brave new world was in favor of conservatism

Speak English you piece of fuck, or cite a source for this idea you seem to be trying to express.

But I do admit politics is spooky.

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This man is not a conservative user. He's a Jewish Supremacist LARPing as a conservative to better destroy America.

Should we still answer?

jewish supremacism is conservatism in america

>Speak English you piece of fuck

Why would you use that expression when English does not seem to be your first language.

>Nabokov
>Dostoevsky
>Knut Hamsun

I'm am not well educated but English is in fact my mother tongue.

>Nabokov
does being an insufferable prick who's wrong about everything make you a conservative ?

yes

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Dosto had conservative values, but other than that he's far from the today's belief of conservatism

Didn't mean to insult you, I've just never heard someone say piece of fuck before.

Some probably have, mostly south american novels such as Bad vibes by Fuguet or Some García Marquéz novels which reflected the state of his country with obvious disgust. Althoguh they didn't really stick to politics, but rather to a stand agaisn't them and their opinions.
No writer is truly apolitical after all, but I have yet to see a masterpiece written with politics as it's frontman.

You mean any American post-1965 conservative novelists? Because they're all freaks and weirdos

As others have stated, politics is a psyop as well

No it's not. There is no one under the label 'conservative' that is upholding the norms of here and now in Western countries. Most of them conserve nothing and merely use it to get an audience while accelerating the opposite, or pine after a dead age in effect being revolutionaries more than anything.

Book of the New Sun, Atlas Shrugged, Ender's Game, Starship Troopers, Dune.

You fuckin name it guy, there's tons of conservative lit.

Well yes, you're right.

Even if you were, it's no skin off my back. And I suppose I find crude language charming or alluring.

If you had just asked "what are some conservative novels I could read" you would have gotten 9 replies half of them from smart asses. You're a genius.

>Why has there never been a single good conservative novelist?
Dostoevsky, retard

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BASED user

Same desu

all of those are either not conservative or not literature

>conservative
>good
pick one

I wouldn't say he was a political conservative but Joseph Conrad had a very conservative sensibility.

For as much as I don't like conservatives, that's just not true. Go to a library.

Given the evolutionary nature of liberalism I'd imagine a lot of authors who were liberals in their time would come across as reactionary extremists today.

By conservative, are we including religious? Because there were many religious authors who in my opinion were quite good. Dostoevsky, for one.

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its the cost of 'being right', you have to sacrifice originality

This. I can say the same for VS Naipaul, Joan Didion, Ivo Andric and Mario Vargas Llosa, for example. None of them would be a MAGApede American conservative but none of them have any love for idealistic utopian social movements either.

which one

There can be fine political lit but it has to be done in a way that doesn't bash the audience in the head while shouting THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL ABOUT TODAY'S HEADLINES

I think good political fiction tends to be either historical while addressing perennial conflicts in society (Under Western Eyes, The War of the End of the World) or fantastical and metaphorical (The Napoleon of Notting Hill, Arslan)

Dostoyevsky

>Nabokov
>an insufferable prick who's wrong about everything

Literally /ourguy/

They are all conservative but ok.

He was conservative? I'd always imagined he was an upper-class socialist like Orwell, or at least a libertarian. I'll have to check him out.

based and reflection-pilled

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Why is libertarianism considered conservative? It's literally the opposite of conservative by definition.

Not a bait at all user. Shitiro is shit, more news at eleven. Conservatives are failing to adapt in some republics, and are slipping into reactionary territory because of it.

Conservative means red tribe. This is a purposefully vague category because the point is to argue, not to ascertain truth

because reagan fused libertarian economics with reactionary religious politics in the 80s

Starship Troopers is definitely both. Robert Heinlein and JRR Tolkien are two easy answers to OPs question. Although Heinlein kind of became a nudist colony dude weed lmao libertarian later on

It's useful to think of the right wing as bipolar. So instead of a simple left-right spectrum, you have a left pointing triangle.

The left is unipolar. A neolib/neocon is in the center, and a socialist is a more extreme version of a neolib, who is just a watered down commie.

The right, on the other hand, has the traditionalist/religious pole and economic or staunch capitalist pole. These two poles are fundamentally incompatible with one another

dosto was conservative i think

so is mccarthy i think.

Conservatives conserve and progressives progress

>a socialist is a more extreme version of a neolib
???

I dun get it. Draw a picture of this autism.

Because conservative and liberal are terms relative to what's being conserved and overturned or changed. European party politics are not the same, and never have been. America (at least in government) was traditionally libertarian, compared to European society hundreds of years ago, in terms of the markets and philosophical/religious beliefs, and libertarians want to conserve that at least that tradition. They've taken over a lot of the baseline Republican standing, so all they do is bitch about fiscal issues and lowering taxes and regulation while drag queens read to school children, liberalized immigrants replace the US population, abortion remains legalized, and violent criminals and sex predators get minimal sentencing.

Tolstoy
Hamsun
Etc.

Henry James

Hello fellow Duginite

Balzac

American conservatism has literally no cultural power

Trump

Evelyn Waugh

>American conservatism has literally no cultural power
Sweet jesus. Its only the dominant cultural hegemony over the entire planet.
I'm guessing you don't consider eg Hollywood to be part of American conservativism. It really is though. You probably don't like it because it features blacks and Jews and women or something, but the underlying assumptions about capitalism, private property, the nation state, militarism etc etc that underpin all American movies are deeply conservative

Dosto wasn’t conservative. Religious=/=conservative.

dostoevsky was pretty good

Ayn Rand

The closest political stance LOTR takes is proto environmentalism.

Demons is a conservative book

Eco-Monarchia

Hoffmann, Goethe, Giovanni-fucking-Verga, D’Annunzio, J. L. Borges, Alessandro Manzoni....

>mishima is conservatism in the same sense an american is
go shit in a cup and eat it

Dostoevsky obviously

Most novelists have a conservative bent. Please refrain from androidposting.

Any example gets shot down as not actually conservative because they didn't adhere to every plank of the 21st century GOP.

Every decent novelist ever has been a conservative.... Cervantes onwards. Read a book FFS.

Why does he tilt his head like this. Is he trying to hide his double chin? It makes him look like a scared kitten, ready to be plucked up and eaten.

It's almost like you've only ever seen Jackson's Hobbit films.

>Conservative woman
>Good novelist

Yikes

I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait.