The Qu'ran

Is Christianity the only way of saving the West?

People are starting to see that both christianity and islam sprang from the same corrupted source. They are finaly realizing that the whole "muh realigion is bad" is true, but only applies to the abrahamic faiths. The similarities are becoming to appearant, especialy since the west had been confronted with buddhism and hinduism, both of which are ironicly more european faiths in nature than christianity or islam could ever be.

Buddhism is just godless navel-gazing and it's essantially useless. Christianity is the only real way of saving the West.

I don't understand you.

There is nothing in our book, the Qur'an, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery. -Malcolm X

>but if someone lays a hand on you, send him to the cemetery. -Malcolm X

small man syndrome

Here: youtube.com/watch?v=-vT86SjrISk

>Budhism is godless
Yeah sure, if you look through the lenses of abrahamism then yes. But you have to be an absolute retard (see semite beliver) to actualy think that buddhists don't believe in a god.

>Our religion teaches us to be intelligent.
cope and ironic

No. Communism is. Christianity being taken seriously never helped anyone outside of desert realms. Rome fell. The USA is the new Rome. During the best of times here we had hookers and drugs. Moralfags ban these things yet, it's still shit? Hmmmm. Kinda sounds like in Rome you need to have fun, if you ask me.

The jewish being exiled, again, is the solution. They, the literal inventors of Abrahamic religion, should never have come here to leech the way they always do, then turn around and complain about things like Rome/USA having slaves and hookers and such. It's like they're trying to destroy it with war mongering levels of scare tactics via the news and other sources. They have zero power without money. Money is a mind game. Religion is too. You don't need money nor religion to cooperate.

Fuck back to genlit, you fucking femboy.

In my opinion, yes. I don't see any other serious options.

Shut up. Go do yoga and meditate like a low T faggot, write a buzzfeed article about how meditation made you less racist and fuck off. Buddhism and Hinduism are cringe. If Christianity was good enough for the Romans and Greeks, it should be good enough for your low T pathetic soft-handed ass too. Now stop being a bitch and grab your cross. Time to be abrasively and autistically Christian. It's the only way out and also, it has one thing about it that no other religion does: IT'S ACTUALLY TRUE.

their only god is their buddies, hence buddhism

People like this are the kinda guys who go to jail.

>buddhism and hinduism, both of which are ironicly more european faiths in nature than christianity
holy shit how fucking dumb are you to believe this. bruh, stop reading evola. he was an idiotic subversive retard. ur almost more cringe than pic related

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Feminists generally don't even support Islam. Every leading Muslim feminist is not even representative of Islam at all, many are outright considered heretics Mona Eltahawy. The veil of egalitarianism does cloud criticism of Islam by liberals, but they aren't attracted to it authentically like Peterson seems to think

those people look like characters from Dragon Quest lmao

He means they are all "dharmic religions" that originate from the same Indo-European source. Also, none of them are proselytizing religions which the Abrahamic faiths are.

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ah yes hinduism, the true religion of the white man!

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I believe he said "subconsciously", not in a public direct way.

kek

Christianity is very similar to islam and judaism and not as opposed as it seemed to us in the west, because there was nothing else to compare it to. Now that we have a better knowledge of the eastern religions, people are seeing that god doesn't have to be like yahwe. Also, thanks to archeological studies, it has been proven that the vedic religions have been brought to india by the aryan invaders, making the religion much more similar to traditional european polytheism than the semitic religions could ever be, even though christianity uses a lot of pagan influences (christmas for example). Christianity is failing in europe and will likely never rise again, but there will be something new, more akin to ancient paganism, that will take its place. Christianity will continue to hold influence in latin america and africa, but not in europe.

are indians niggers? I thought they were Aryan sort of like Iranians and such, just brown people... these people look like blacks wtf

he's just a contrarian edgy faggot. disregard what the says.

the first 25pages should do something to you. If it doesn’t you won’t get it. It’s very high level stuff, despite what people claim. Despite how many stupid people there are in the world who claim to be Muslim and do horrendous things, despite how many intelligent people there are that say that Islam is inherently just like all other religions, the Quran is really unlike anything you ever read. If you really want to get something out of it I suggest letting go of all your preconceived notions about anything and everything and starting from a place of respect and revert for the past and for a book that represents a way of like for millions of people around the world. Maybe even let go of that notion. Hm. When I think about the Quran what is most striking is how it talks to you. The language is very much aimed at (you), except it is supposed to be (god) Allāh who is talking to Mohammed. Try not to think of it like you are reading a document or a historical text or a poem, because it’s none of those things. It’s an experience, especially for westerners. Think of it written to you, because it is inherently made and written/told with that exactly in mind. Let it take you, I promise you will return but honestly it’s not like any book you’ve ever read. In entertainment they have what’s known as the 4th wall, the one the audience sees through, so an actor addressing the audience would be breaking the the 4th wall. “Post modern” novels have done this, addressing the reader. The Quran does this, it’s breaks the 4th wall, but it’s not Mohammed addressing you, it’s God

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I never claimed that hindus are white you brainlets, neither that it will be the new religion of the west. What i claimed is that thanks to the exposure to hinduism we will be able to learn more about paganism, which in turn will with time become more dominant.
Also, the average practising christian is not white, statisticly speaking
>pic related

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The romans (rightly) tortoured christians for most of their history. Them becoming christians destroyed them. Chtistianity is weakness and for subhumans. Paganism is the opposite of this.

>faps to indian porn once
real cumbrain hours

i don't want to post anything too gory, but if you knew ANYTHING about hinduism, you'd know they worship the devil and perform satanic rituals often, some of which are violent and destructive, especially those pertaining to kali. hinduism isn't just some "aryan" religion, it's a huge syncretic mix, most of which is taken from literal savage dravidian retards and there is a strong semitic influence there too, the bad kind of semitic influence (learn about the history of india, not just aryans colonized it). christianity on the other hand has a beautiful tradition, europe was built under christianity and prospered, culminating in the greatest empires ever seen in history. as said above if it was good enough for the greeks and romans (and literally 2,000 years of your ancestors), it should be good enough for you. is there any greater proof of christianity being the quintessential european faith than the fact that rome adopted it? i don't think so. learn greek and read the new testament. it's so obviously hellenic in nature. Jesus literally opposed the Jews in so many ways and only appealed to Greeks and Romans. It is the spirit of Europe. To try to divorce europe from christianity is to kill europe and turn it into a satanic gay LGBTQP shopping mall full of brown people aka a pagan paradise lmaoooo no coincidence that the more pagan and atheistic europe becomes, the more gog and magog storm its wall. this is divine punishment for impiety, hence why atheist sweden is getting hit hardest.

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is that why the pagans got BTFO'd into oblivion by the christians? lmaoooo

exposure to hinduism just means white women will do yoga and do 5 minutes of headspace meditation while also being atheistic "i fucking love science tier" shitheads, stfu retard

>. Chtistianity is weakness and for subhumans. Paganism is the opposite of this.
Imagine unironically believing that second part lmao cringe

The Koran is extremely insecure. From the very first page it was a constant "they will tell you this", "but then they will say", and "there is a disease in their hearts". It's very violent and polemic from the get go

accept Christ already. hinduism, buddhism and paganism are all cringe and gay.

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me stronk bagan :)) me becummed bagan after watch game of throne

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All abrahamic texts in modern times are about saying no to fun. It's like pretending to not be human. Buddhism is about wishing to have no desires at all to accept death, simply a lesser dramatic religion.

>hindu
>a nation of monotheism converting to poly
HA

The atheism religion Buddhism is the only thing that'd be possible.

The entire point of abrahamic religion is to say no to fun and burn witches that are caught having fun=sin. As a human animal you must have vice, vice literally mens the seven sins of death. Without vice, no coping mechanisms. That'd drive any human mind insane, of which is why abrahamic religion has caused soooo much drama. The only time things are good is when it's only used for simple children and old people at the edge of death, during their bargaining phase. Buddhism could help people 'let go'. No hell though, so it's not as contagious you'd figure. There are demonic figures in Buddhism though and karma can turn you into a reincarnated rat so in reality the scare tactic is the same but less schizophrenic than christianity and the like.

Fuck abrahamic religious people, seriously. They're all giant faggots when they start the witch hunting.

How come that none of you can bring any arguments? All you can do is use retarded buzzwords and used up memes. Stop writing like a 14 year old edgelord and tell me why i should accept the lie that a bastard jew is gods son.

>christians conquer the entire world spreading their faith, including BTFO'ing all european pagans
>neopagan larping retard hundreds of years later: "christian weak, bagan stronk :)"

You may be good at fooling yourself, but your insults are just that. Your words don’t touch the Quran, and your opinions make sense of even less

you have a real simple understanding of religion, don't you?

>tell me why i should accept the lie that a bastard jew is gods son.
>hurdur krishna reincarnate many time in many form, he muh god now

shut up, hinduism requires you not only to believe a god became a many once, but also many times. if that's your problem with christianity then i think you need to rethink some things lmaoooo

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Religion's fault for being simplistic in it's very nature.

Super ego dictates your biased worship of your non-existent sky daddy in case you didn't know about super egos. They come from childhood amnesia period, so you can't remember being ethically programmed. The first thing your bible tells you is knowledge is evil yet the ATHEIST is the simple one.

Sure sure.

Pic not related. I could not find a smug enough anime image for this post and gave up.

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>The first thing your bible tells you is knowledge is evil
how fucking dumb do you have to be to think this holy shit

Seriously I sometimes wonder about the people on this board

just a lot of confused and lost people in this world :/ it's actually pretty sad to see mankind's petty and pathetic revolt against God. imagine the epitome of your hatred against God is just typing poorly thought out drivel on an anime imageboard all day long, like dang, that's pretty low

The philosophy of Christianity just makes sense. We live to love and serve others. Only through a denial of our selfish impulses will we discover peace. Not happiness: peace.

We believe that there is a benevolent yet righteous creator of the universe that reflects these ideals. He created us, he loves us, and he guides us like a father. He built this world for us, and all of the conditions of life are perfect for us to thrive here.

Yes, there is disease, injury, and death in this world, but the children very clearly go to heaven if they die prematurely. (biblically based)

No other religion so clearly and coherently teaches these values as does Christianity. Not even Judaism. Islam is horrible because it literally commands their followers to be violent crusaders.

I believe in the bible because of how intelligently it dissects our experience in life and how much sense it makes when you observe the world around us. Yes, there are contradictory claims according to science, but we "finished" science. We have a flawed understanding of the world so I simply approach religion through philosophy.

"haven't finished" i meant

Islam has always been part of the West, its a false dichotomy to suggest opposition between them

Cringe

>>do not eat from the TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
>Adam and Eve eat
>get thrown into this hellish realm
>get told to worship god when already cast downward once just for trying something one time
Faggotry.

Rebellion against god? Who wouldn't? 100k years man has walked this earth and only since the middle ages has abrahamnic religioins spread into our assholes. It's just a militant scare tactic invented by kings.

And still the only way to save the west and bring greatness back from the grave.

They used to be whiter in the past. They're mutts now.

>Islam
>West

???

The west originally had slaves and underage whore houses. They did drugs and pedo was not a thing. There were less jailed than executed in christfaggot history in general. Murder is a sin? No one cared.

You only think you want time to rewind. Christianity was not freedom. Freedom is sin.

God never existed. Cameras do now though, so an all seeing eye does. We're too well behaved and it's driving people insane. It's why the workforce participation rates lowered over time whilst we pretend that didn't happen. It's why the jails are so full to the point of for-profit prisons. Jails are hell simulations for non-believers. They won't go away. Nor will modern ethics very recently imposed. Even with niggers now no longer slaves the chain gang to this day is a thing you can find. The only thing that changed was the camera. God is watching never worked. Only the screams of the dungeons worked. No one believed in god and your in such a sissified time that your of the first race to actually be literate to even read the thing. It's pathetic.

Greatness he says. Doesn't even mean anything when with your tyrannical country's 10 trillion army it also locks up it's own citizens. The opposite of what the forefathers wanted. It's not supposed to be great it's supposed to fall.

>my slave morality can totally beat up your slave morality

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How do I delete someone else's post

Yes user. Islam has always been a large part of the West.

you're*

???

No but I kind of wish it would. It would be the wests only hope to return to a traditional civilization.

t. deracinated cuck

The white race is a walking corpse. I don't want anything to do with a culture that allows this. Islam is one of the few things in this world that could reform the west and make it worth saving.

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reminder that Buddhism and Hinduism are Aryan Indo-European faiths that have been corrupted by the yellow and brown swarms who latched onto them.

You owe it to your country to die fighting outsiders and degeneracy to your last breath if necessary.

My country are the degenerates and I don't owe them shit.

Who will clean up your porch if not you? It's the ultimate cuckoldry to want a foreign group to take over your country and colonize it according to their tastes because you can't be bothered to defend it.

>Islam is one of the few things in this world that could reform the west and make it worth saving
islam can't even save the countries that it has flourished in for the past 1000 years
what on earth makes you think it can save the place that hates it?

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There's nothing left in the west that's worth defending. I don't want foreigners to come over here and take over or colonize. I want people here to adopt Islam and make it their own as a way to reform social and cultural values. You don't owe anything to a past that doesn't serve you.

I don't see trannies and gay pride parades in Muslim countries. They're doing something right and we can learn from it.

Isnt satanism the same?

That's why all the intelligent things shitskins managed to present as theirs were based on ancient greek lecture notes lmao

Islam is already penetrated by liberalism.
Don't believe me?
Go work for a few years in the UAE or Saudi Arabia and you will learn that muslims are already on the way towards the same decadence as the west.
Islam won't have the power to penetrate into the west because by the time it gets there it will not be different enough to make an impact. Sure you will have some edgelords who convert for snowflake points but that's it.

That's like saying that christianity sucks because protestants exist.
Hinduism has many branches, some of which are garbage, and some of which are highly sophisticated. Advaita Vedanta Vaishnavism is top tier, and the sole reason why I ever bothered to give religion a chance.
t. catholic returning to the flock

The West has a Four pillars.
Greek thought, from which it all started.
Roman Law, the formalization of the Former into society
The People of Europe, preexisting everything but unable to live up to themselves untill the last two.
And Finally, Christianity.
Each of the four pillars is under attack in our modern times and has been since at least the invention of printing; But where the attack had to be subtle at first now it has become evident and continuous.
High trust people are being replaced with low trust people. The Law became a baches instrument of power, unhinged by those limitations that made it the most usefull instrument of Order, the intellectual élites are squarely on the enemy's side and there's not been one day in recently HISTORICAL memory in which our roots haven't been savagely attacked.
Any attempt to redress the situation and move forward which doesn't pass from Christianity retaking the foremost place in culture and jump starting actual philosophy and law again is doomed to fail.

welcome home brother

India is a subcontinent, and has had a race-based Caste system for the whole of his history. There allways had been dravidians in India But for most history they have been subjected to aryan/brahamanic rule.

They were thrown out of the garden because they hid what they did and didn't confess and then started blaming each other and refused to take responsibility, not because of eating.

You are dumb.

The tree wasn't called the "tree of knowledge", it was called the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." To know good and evil, to be able to dictate what is good and evil and not merely discern it is to be like God and that was the sin of man. It was the sin of Satan too. He wanted to be God.

>t.pseudo-nietzschean master-morality faggot whose morality was constantly BTFO by christian slave morality 2000 years and infact is still being BTFO today

You Live in a sorry state of inner contradiction. The truth of the matter is that what survives of paganism survived because of Christianity and that the Ancestors you wish to honor all converted.
They saw Christianity as the fulfillment of Paganism. They had prayed the Unconquerable Sun to defeat death. And Jesus did just that.

islam will conquer europe for the simple fact that they have like 10 kids whereas europeans have none.

>implying that the church is even slightly relevant in the west today

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The bible is laid out pretty well with distinct books that have easily identifiable plots and story arcs.

In most islamico country incest and pederasty are beloved traditions.
Islam is a warrior culture. Like in Sparta, sexual initiation is given to kids In sexually segregated religious congregations. Prison Sex elevated to cultural standard.
Also as a warrior culture, Islam can be defeated in battle in a way in which Christianity can't. One thousands years after the conquering of egypt there are still a milion Coptic Christians there, and during the crusades they still were the majority of the population.
Islam meanwhile has been in an existential crisis since the times of fucking Lepanto and never stopped seething for It. Why else attack the Towers in september eleventh?
It always gave an impression of strenght superior to It's actual strenght Because it conquered the richest privinces of Christianity, and the places which were at It's border. They never lacked new lands, easy to reach, to conquer; or nomad barbarians entering their land to convert. Think of central Asia in particular for this, think of the Turks.
What would have happened If Anatolia was in Christian hands when the Turks moved?
Anyway this Well has Finally run out. Islam can only get new adherentes through population growth (which is starting to stagnate in their traditional lands too Even If slower than in the West) and converting disatisfied western kids. Even the current Pope, who is despised in right wing circles due to the medias smear campaign, knows this and is playing the long game to convert muslims as they arrive in Europe. I have few doubts that it'll work, even now 100 thousands muslims per year convert to Christianity.
So Islam isn't the future of Europe, and a return to paganism will be a return to Christianity in the long run () so the correct strategy for our times remain that of the chinese sage: When the Rule is unjust the else man keeps strong to virtue in his home. When the Rule is Just he doesn't change.

It's only the unspoken basys and starting point of everything.
Our whole situation exists because Catholics tolerate it due to laical cultural pressure. As soon as they stop, It's all over. Our enemies know this perfectly.

It is also a cultural histórical narrative written by a people that were completelly alien to the concept of sweetening pills or trying to pass off as victims. Every time something bad happens to the israelítes they take the blame fully on themselves for having come short of their Alliance with God, in a way completelly opposite to how they do things now. How curious.

More like three, and going down. They are just poorer so having kids is still a viable strategy for them to have success like a r-selective species ("at least ONE is bound to come up smart despite my maladaptive up bringing!"). This is quickly changing.
Also the fact they insist having civil wars doesn't help.

The book starts out with Eve getting Adam to eat the fruit, then Adam throwing her under the bus to avoid taking responsibility. The bible is full of examples of Israelites trying to shift blame and avoid taking responsibility for their sins.

Keep on dreaming

You forgot the part in which God has none of Adam's shit.
Don't need to dream at all. We'll be there to get the pieces of this civilization back together.

Pic related, it's your glorious future

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Anyone unconvinced confront this
google.it/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/31/pope-francis-on-immigration-political-leaders-risk-becoming-prisoners-of-the-walls-they-build.html
With this
m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/speeches/2019/march/documents/papa-francesco_20190330_migranti-marocco.html

I just preemptively pwned you in Also Yeah he got muslim to partecipate to a Christian ritual usually performed before Confirmation in which the priest imitates Jesus washing the apostle's feet. What an humiliation!

I didn't see any of your lE ePik pWnAge. I just saw more groveling at the feet of immigrants and refugees. Just face it, your doctrine of turning the other cheek is wholly illadapted to a world filled with threats from outside. No amount of epistle writing will ever change that. Your church is set to become more irrelevant as time goes by, until it has totally withered away

>i don't see epik pwnage
Because You haven't read the links i posted.
>turning the other cheek...
...defeated the Roman persecution.
We can die smiling. Can You?
No. Despite your bravado, the second you saw a lion you would beg for mercy.

>We can die smiling. Can You?

I don't need to. Time has made you irrelevant. I can now say anything I want about your idiotic doctrines, something that was impossible a few centuries ago

>w-we will be back! Really, you will b-bow, all of you!

No, sorry. Nothing indicates this. There is no big revival of Christianity going on, al least not in the west. Your idea of a post-secular Christian Europe is a complete fantasy, just like your beliefs. Churches nowadays are nothing more than glorified museums, believers are little more than social gatherings for the elderly. Pretty soon they'll die off, leavind only a few seething incels like you, and this will continue for the next generations until your beliefs are a footnote to history, just another set of failed ideas

Let me guess. You read a translation? In Arabic it’s poetic and regarded as one of the best pieces of Arabic literature

>implying it isn't
>the church is literally the only source of people with above replacement levels birthrate

>No, sorry. Nothing indicates this. There is no big revival of Christianity going on, al least not in the west. Your idea of a post-secular Christian Europe is a complete fantasy, just like your beliefs. Churches nowadays are nothing more than glorified museums, believers are little more than social gatherings for the elderly. Pretty soon they'll die off, leavind only a few seething incels like you, and this will continue for the next generations until your beliefs are a footnote to history, just another set of failed ideas
Said the Arian heretic, 400 AD
And the Muslim, 600 AD
And the Albigesian Heretic 1200 AD
And king Carolus of sweden, 1600~AD
And the enlightenent "scholars" 1700~AD
And the Soldiers of Napoleón shortly after
And the positivist 1800~AD
And the commies and nazis 1900~AD
And the neoliberals, 1900~AD
And Now You.
I'm unimpressed.
>I W-WONT NEED TO!
I'll pray for you that It is so.

Given that It is the only piece of arabic literature, in the sense that all those following come from it, sure.
Also the "You can only really understand the qumran in arabic! Have It recites to You and Then read it after You convert!" Is litteraly the most dishonest cringy conversión strategy ever exploded by man. 100 thousands a year and going UP

protip: read it in the chronological order not in the order it is (i.e. the worst editor in history Uthman.)

it still is boring, at least it starts powerful yet gets boring towards the end.

It's edites very rationally given that precedence is importance and coincidentially all the surah that say to kill infidels are at the end while all the surah that say to be a normal fucking person are at the beginning.

Chad tier thoughts that will not go unnoticed.

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I wish I could delete this whole site.

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I wish I could turn off the internet

>then Adam throwing her under the bus to avoid taking responsibility
What? this is the exact opposite of what happens.

It really isn't groveling. The ritual creates a very odd atmosphere, the migrants are put up in a prominent place, and have to sit and let a man of clearly higher status than themselves wash their feet while the world looks on. Imagine being up in their place, could you gloat over the submission of the pope while being put on display on a stage of his creation? Could you kick him aside? Could you proclaim yourself superior in front of the media and assembled holy men who accompanied him? No, you would be trapped, forced to contemplate why such an odd thing was happening, knowing throughout the ceremony that if you messed up or slighted him in some way it would paint you and everything you know in a worse light, not only in the minds of the audience, but in your own as well.

God: Did you eat from the forbidden tree?
Adam: She gave it to me!

You got #rekt lol But you can rise again with Jesus.

>and both were exiled

She gave it to him, she didn't tell him to eat it, he did that willingly, then God blames Adam for being stupid and just going along with whatever his wife said.

If someone is forced to take responsibility for their actions, that doesn't mean they didn't try to avoid taking responsibility.

No it didn't but it fits in the model explained early If not the person depicted in the Bible, the prophets and the inspired writer of the Bible surely dont hold punches against their own and attribute Everything bad that happen to them to their society or single persons betraying God. Not even Solomon escapes the accusation of Idolatry, or David his various errors.