>(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
>(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
>(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.
>(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.
>(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
>(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.
>(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.
>(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
>(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
>(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
Gavin Lee
So many words just to say "lol stupid infidels rules are for you not for me!" I hope the skulls and bones are enjoying desecrating his skeleton.
Jack Cook
What a retarded argument. So now I'm individually responsible because my government decided to launch wars and bomb your territory? Now I deserve to die? Even though I would have pulled out of the Middle East and put sanctions on Israeli settlements were I the supreme ruler of America? If he had attacked just the pentagon or some other military base I would have supported him, but killing innocent people is evil. And no, that doesn't excuse the fact that the US kills innocent people in the Middle East too.
Angel Jenkins
>WTC >innocent
Lyl
Caleb Howard
>This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support Kek, has anyone ever so concisely btfo democratic legitimacy?
Jack Rivera
Never realized Bin Laden was a poltard.
Daniel Nelson
For all the shitshows, horror and civilian deaths the fat burgers caused all around the globe they sure whine a lot when they finally get attacked :^)
honestly that's a quite accurate representation of buckley's thought/writing style. just goes to show how fucking stupid conservatives are that this is their "patron" intellectual.
>This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom
>land of freedom
No one outside of those who have a sub-95 IQ really believes this assertion.
Connor Collins
>you supported the Russian atrocities in Chechnya What the fuck, that's a straight up lie
Parker Martinez
He was such a fucking retard even the house of saud attempted to put a hit on him. Religious fundamentalism of any sort is for spergs
Zachary Nguyen
> you stopped giving me stinger missiles so now you are my enemy I fucking hate talking about the war on terror. Every facet of it makes me angry, the entire region should just be glassed to the ocean floor and save us all the trouble.
The point is that you must acknowledge one of the 2 possibilities: a) That you partake in your government and therefore share partial responsibility or are complicit in the evil actions of said government; b) That you do not partake in your government and share no responsibility.
Adrian Walker
I find US foreign policy despicable, but bin Laden’s justification for attacking US civilian targets is incoherent. Bin Laden was well read enough to understand that the US government represents elite interests, not the will of the people. This is especially true of US foreign policy: the elites treat the US domestic population bad enough, but at least we have nominal means of influencing domestic policy through voting. On the other hand, Palestinians, whose fates are decided in Washington, don’t even have that. Bin Laden was smart enough to know the powerful and privileged insulate themselves from democratic control in every country, especially the United States.
Furthermore, bin Laden justifying the targeting of US civilians can easily be turned around by Israelis to justify the targeting of Lebanese or Palestinian civilians, or by the US to justify the targeting of Iraqi civilians.
Bin Laden should have been honest: he was trying to bait the US into invading Afghanistan in order to give the US another Vietnam. For him, mass murder was a means to an end. There is no justification for that.
Anthony Sullivan
the majority of Yea Forums is populist retards who go with anything because they're beta followers and need father figures in order to feel like men
Dominic Ward
>implying the will of the elite doesn't become the will of the people you really are too full of your retarded self-righteousness to see anything at all
Chase Ortiz
>This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. What a dumb argument, he is equating propaganda to truth. Of course the US is not the "land of freedom", people believing that it is does not make it so. >The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq As if a) this is voluntary and b) it is done deliberately while being fully aware of what the spendings will consist off. > >(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon Only an idiot would believe that the average American is actually educated on these facts. >c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis Consent has to be informed. The American public is not informed.
The next points might be accepted only by muslim fanatics
Cameron Fisher
>So now I'm individually responsible because my government decided to launch wars and bomb your territory? If you participated in electoral democracy, then yes.
Hudson Carter
You could claim that only if you treated the democratic process in a purely idealistic way. De facto there was no voting on each of those specific athrocities, nor there was an educational background strong enough to make informed consent possible.
Jonathan Wood
lol look at all of the people who think this is legit. Bin Laden didn't do 9/11.
Gavin Smith
You're giving your government a mandate by voting for them. Either you believe in this "democratic" system or you don't, there's no in between. If you don't, there's no point in voting. if you do, then you facilitated creation of the government and hence bear responsibility for its action.
Chase Rodriguez
I don't believe that the US is a democratic system, that was my point.
Ryan Collins
My point was that be that as it may, if you participate in an election you're definitely responsible for the creation of government, and as a consequence it's actions too. But yeah, it's retarded to think every citizen is responsible for actions of their government, but allegations against those who elect the government has some ground.
Jose Long
ok so let's pretend he did it. Now let's also pretend you are Scott Bakula in the tv series Quantum Leap, and you find yourself one day waking up with an ak-47 on your side, and a naked goat on the other side.
You get out of bed trying not to wake up your wife. There's a calendar hanging on the wall. The date: July 1st, 2001. There's also a small cracked mirror hanging above the calendar. You look at your face: It's Osama Ben Laden's face.
What's your next move?
Liam White
It is fairly interesting how modern jihadism had its origin in a just-cause protestation against the occupation of Palestine, but lately culminated in ISIS, which has no interest whatever in Palestinian liberation (having every opportunity to assault or engage in war with Israel in the Golan Heights).
Instead, it metastasized into a barbarian hoard of rapists and torturers bent on establishing an earthly Caliphate.
I am not sure if that indicates
1) a pure reflection of nationalist zeal and power politics first displayed in European and then American diplomacy
2) the inherent contradiction embedded in the Islamic ideal of a political reality in the Umma drawing its authority from God (in other words, heavenly polity in an earthly realm).
We may contrast both with the idea of the Kingdom of God, announced in the Gospels, which renounces violence entirely as a valid means to Godliness, and is on full display in the crucified Messiah.
Gabriel Baker
Contact Chris Hedges at the NYT and offer an exclusive interview. When he shows up in your cave, warn him that Cheney and the CIA are collaborating with high level Saudi officials to attack the Twin Towers on 9/11. Tell him to trust no one except counter terrorism czar Richard Clarke. Also, tell him to short subprime mortgages in about five years to make a killing.
Liam Cruz
_>_ renounces violence
Brody Parker
>As Cockburn shows in arresting detail, Islamic State did not explode into existence in Syria in the wake of the Arab Spring, as conventional wisdom would have it. The organization gestated over several years in occupied Iraq, before growing to the point where it can threaten the stability of the whole region. Cockburn was the first Western journalist to warn of the dangers posed by Islamic State. His originality and breadth of vision make The Age of Jihad the most in-depth analysis of the regional crisis in the Middle East to date. versobooks.com/books/2518-the-age-of-jihad
Juan Turner
I mean.....he's right, during war you're going to be generalized as an enemy along with your country (that's what being of a citizen of a country entails. You like and agree with that country). You can't just stop mid war and go, "w-wait maybe these Arabs aren't bad...". We do the same thing. Americans treated many Japanese Americans as potential enemies during ww2, and we're currently having trouble with Chinese spies. National and racial tribalism is good for certain things during times of war and arguably inevitable.
Lincoln Gutierrez
You clearly haven't studied jihadism in depth. Restoring the caliphate was always a goal in mind, even for bin Laden. Moreover, your framing of the whole subject is just wrong. Jihadism never left the "just cause realm." Terrorism, even offensive terrorism, is a just cause, at least in their eyes. Their problem with the West is not merely its occupation of Muslim lands. Read the article "Why We Hate You & Why We Fight You" in Dabiq, issue 15, pp. 30-33:
>What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary [...] The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam.
It's certainly not a matter of nationalism, which ISIS and al-Qaeda believe is antithetical to Islam (it frankly is).
Hunter Morgan
I've read a good amount on the subject, to be honest, probably one or two thousand pages. It has been a while since I read that material, but I concluded that Qutb was the major theological progenitor of modern jihadism, and for him, the major problem was with secular governments, that they amounted to a kind of blasphemy because they allowed democracy, socialism or imperialism to rule instead of God.
Qutb wanted some body of humans to rule the polity, but he needed them to represent God. Muhammad is the obvious example of this sort of thinking, the original Prophet-King.
James Butler
Two-thousand pages is about 5-7 books. From Qutb you should know that establishing the shari'a was always a central goal, and he is really only the progenitor if you take jihadism as merely a modern phenomenon. Sure, they were heavily inspired by Qutb, but his ideas are hardly alien to the Islamic tradition; they are firmly rooted in the Qur'anic injunction against not judging by what Allah has revealed (Q. 5:44). In the Qur'an, legislating by other than the shari'a is blasphemy because only Allah has the right to legislate (Q. 12:40, 40:12). This is from bin Laden's letter to America:
>You are the nation who, rather than ruling by the Shariah of Allah in its Constitution and Laws, choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire. You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator.
Qutb is not everything, and jihadism has moved beyond him. The man who really "wrote the book" on jihad was Abu Mus'ab al-Suri.
Jace Morales
I legit had to stop and take a moment to feel bad for years of shitting on Bin Laden when I've been saying this exact thing for years.
Sebastian Harris
I don't like them that much either but nuking the US to the ground is not even physically possible.
Nathaniel Torres
I DO think jihadism is a modern phenomenon. It has historical antecedents, inspirations and prefigurations, but would not exist without European colonialism as far as I can tell.
I agree with your black text, I am not entirely sure we are arguing. My point was not to apologize or demonize Islam, but rather to contrast it with the nonviolent Kingdom of the Gospels, where the True King is nailed to a cross by earthly kings, and does not resist or retaliate.
Jaxson Kelly
I think you're missing the point. Its not so much a justification as rhetoric to incite unrest in the USA. He's saying "so are you, the citizens, really in control? Did you vote for all this? If you are in control and the USA is the land of the free, then the blood is on your hands. If you didn't want this and the blood isn't on your hands, then is America *truly* the land of the free, or have you been lied to?"
Mason Martinez
That's not rhetoric it's a valid point. Democracy is a lie.
Austin Richardson
Well I mean fuck, he's right.
Austin Davis
Still retarded. when people say land of the free they mean a place where nobody can infringe on your rights, not a place where every single individual citizen controls every single action the government takes. The individual citizen has no power over the us government and even the population as a whole don't have supreme power over it. This is obvious.
Owen Walker
Yes but that's exactly what Osama is saying. Isn't it an issue that the citizens have no control over the government...in a country supposedly designed with power to the people as the explicit principle?
Chase Morgan
No, the issue is money- interests, lobbying, and imperialism. Giving the people the power to vote on everything is retarded because most people don't know what they're talking about and only follow politics out of a tribal allegiance to this or that candidate.
Easton Torres
That's not what we're discussing. You're deliberately conflating the lack of the populations' power with a specific form of democracy. Stop being a disingenuous cuck. Alternatively, if you fail to see the problem with your reasoning then do yourself a favor and stop trying to think about the big issues.
Jonathan Lopez
He is pretty much right.
Lincoln King
i'm glad osama took two slugs to the head. mohammed is a pedophile sucking pig cock in hell, DEATH to all muslims
>The individual citizen has no power over the us government We're a democracy, they say. It means "rule of the people", they say.
Lincoln Hernandez
Trash argument, it could be used against anyone anywhere. Even worse when you consider how easy it is to draw up an argument against the American govt
Blake Thompson
People have been voting against the wars since 2008
Do these pea-brained 3rd world retards unironically think "democracy" gives us choices in what our government does?
Dylan Thompson
>Do these pea-brained 3rd world retards unironically think "democracy" gives us choices in what our government does? That's the whole point moron.
Parker Bennett
????
He said the tax payers elect and fund Israel and the wars in the middle east, not that the people are out of control of their government you drooling fucktard
Zachary Robinson
Read You fucking idiot, as if you would even understand it in the first place fucking double digit IQ subhuman >buh buh buh he said he said
Christian Fisher
Completely. Fucking. Right. The empire age of “let me rule you for you, never mind the millions I kill” day is done. Governments know nothing of good and evil, and nearly every crusade is vile self-defeation, from Sargon to Obama. Let the apes assemble themselves as they will and clean your own house!
Noah Hughes
>n-no guysth iss acshully a call for liberty!!! that's not at all what he said and both of you are drooling cocksucking invalids
That's not what either one of us is saying but I'm not surprised that the point sailed over your low, low brow yet again. >buh buh buh he said he said
Luke Bailey
What's the problem you dimwit? Killing innocent clerks and office workers just to showcase the fact that the people don't have power over everything the government does, which was already a well known truism not disputed by anyone, is an abjectly immoral thing to do. It's like if I killed 30 people from your neighbourhood because you stole something from my shop and then justified it by saying "well don't you say this is a tight knit community on the placard outside this neighbourhood?! Don't you say you have neighbourhood watch here ready to pounce upon criminals??? And yet this man was able to steal something from my shop, so I did this to show you how wrong you are!!!" Yeah no shit, nobody thought that being a tight knit community with neighbourhood watch meant that you could control everyone from the neighbourhood at all times and stop them from stealing, and other people in the neighbourhood sure as hell aren't responsible for what you did.
Thomas Ortiz
>(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.
>(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
>(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
>(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
>The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question:
>Why did they attack us in New York and Washington?
>If Sharon is a man of peace in the eyes of Bush, then we are also men of peace!!! America does not understand the language of manners and principles, so we are addressing it using the language it understands.
This is all true. I can't dispute this. He's right.
Bentley James
fuck off retard
Bentley Reed
What the fuck are you even talking about? Nothing you are ranting about right now has anything to do with what was being discussed in the post chain you replied to. Fucking idiot.
Noah Johnson
>He's saying "so are you, the citizens, really in control? Did you vote for all this? If you are in control and the USA is the land of the free, then the blood is on your hands. If you didn't want this and the blood isn't on your hands, then is America *truly* the land of the free, or have you been lied to?" >That's not what either one of us is saying Both of you ride the short bus to the downie playpen together
Not only are you completely off base but that analogy doesn't even fit even assuming you did make the right read >its like this totally different situation!!
Jaxson King
Do you need me to break it down for you, sandnigger? You say >he did it to showcase that the American people don't have power over the government I say >the American people already knew that, you don't need to commit mass murder to show that to them
Aiden Garcia
Where the fuck do you see a "call for liberty" anywhere in that quoted greentext you fucking brainlet? Unironically how stupid are you?
Jonathan Davis
That's not at all close to what you said in the post i just replied to. Are you the same retard who is schizophrenically jumping from point to point in regards to the other thread of discussion here? Dude, you are a complete fucking moron lol
Jason Cooper
>wake up sheeple it's your fault i hope the caretaker changes out your drool bucket in the downie pit for you
If only, if only the entire world could acknowledge they are literal apes, and everything they hold dear is at least part mytho-construct, if not all, then we could just move the fuck on from this bullshit. >imagine a world where everyone is 40 iq points higher
Nathaniel Perry
It literally is what I said. He committed mass murder to "prove" something that was already well known and undisputed.
John Davis
No it isn't you fucking delusional retard, you were replying to me as if I was arguing that Osama Bin Laden's actions were morally justified when I never did any such thing, and now you are trying to backpedal as hard as possible even though anyone can just scroll up and read the post chain. Stop trying to damage control as a retarded user and just leave the thread, this won't follow you around in the real world except as a blow to your retarded sense of pride. Concession accepted, thanks for playing.
Anthony Green
>Concession accepted, thanks for playing. literally dropped on your head as a baby
We could make it happen if we just neutered anyone with an IQ score lower than 120.
Jaxon Thompson
What a pedantic fuckwit.
Eli Rodriguez
And yet I'm still at least two standard deviations in IQ above you lmao. Let me guess, white trash?
Parker Myers
Cry more faggot. And look up words that are longer than two syllables before you use them.
Angel Campbell
>nooo I wasn't trying to morally justify it I just think he raised an important issue of government control by committing mass murder on a bunch of office workers
Hunter Bailey
Delusional
Andrew Fisher
Crispr
Luis Garcia
>And yet I'm still at least two standard deviations in IQ above you lmao you were dropped on your head >Let me guess, white trash? and you're from r*ddit
>(v) You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.
>(vi) You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.
>(vii) You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly. Giant corporations and establishments are established on this, under the name of art, entertainment, tourism and freedom, and other deceptive names you attribute to it.
>(viii) And because of all this, you have been described in history as a nation that spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past. Go ahead and boast to the nations of man, that you brought them AIDS as a Satanic American Invention.
>(xi) You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and*industries.
>(x) Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts. Behind them stand the Jews, who control your policies, media and economy.
>(xi) That which you are singled out for in the history of mankind, is that you have used your force to destroy mankind more than any other nation in history; not to defend principles and values, but to hasten to secure your interests and profits. You who dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan, even though Japan was ready to negotiate an end to the war. How many acts of oppression, tyranny and injustice have you carried out, O callers to freedom?
>(xii) Let us not forget one of your major characteristics: your duality in both manners and values; your hypocrisy in manners and principles. All*manners, principles and values have two scales: one for you and one for the others.
>(a)The freedom and democracy that you call to is for yourselves and for white race only; as for the rest of the world, you impose upon them your monstrous, destructive policies and Governments, which you call the 'American friends'. Yet you prevent them from establishing democracies. When the Islamic party in Algeria wanted to practice democracy and they won the election, you unleashed your agents in the Algerian army onto them, and to attack them with tanks and guns, to imprison them and torture them - a new lesson from the 'American book of democracy'!!!
Leo Turner
>(b)Your policy on prohibiting and forcibly removing weapons of mass destruction to ensure world peace: it only applies to those countries which you do not permit to possess such weapons. As for the countries you consent to, such as Israel, then they are allowed to keep and use such weapons to defend their security. Anyone else who you suspect might be manufacturing or keeping these kinds of weapons, you call them criminals and you take military action against them.
>(c)You are the last ones to respect the resolutions and policies of International Law, yet you claim to want to selectively punish anyone else who does the same. Israel has for more than 50 years been pushing UN resolutions and rules against the wall with the full support of America.
>(d)As for the war criminals which you censure and form criminal courts for - you shamelessly ask that your own are granted immunity!! However, history will not forget the war crimes that you committed against the Muslims and the rest of the world; those you have killed in Japan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Lebanon and Iraq will remain a shame that you will never be able to escape. It will suffice to remind you of your latest war crimes in Afghanistan, in which densely populated innocent civilian villages were destroyed, bombs were dropped on mosques causing the roof of the mosque to come crashing down on the heads of the Muslims praying inside. You are the ones who broke the agreement with the Mujahideen when they left Qunduz, bombing them in Jangi fort, and killing more than 1,000 of your prisoners through suffocation and thirst. Allah alone knows how many people have died by torture at the hands of you and your agents. Your planes remain in the Afghan skies, looking for anyone remotely suspicious.
>(e)You have claimed to be the vanguards of Human Rights, and your Ministry of Foreign affairs issues annual reports containing statistics of those countries that violate any Human Rights. However, all these things vanished when the Mujahideen hit you, and you then implemented the methods of the same documented governments that you used to curse. In America, you captured thousands the Muslims and Arabs, took them into custody with neither reason, court trial, nor even disclosing their names. You issued newer, harsher laws.
>What happens in Guatanamo is a historical embarrassment to America and its values, and it screams into your faces - you hypocrites, "What is the value of your signature on any agreement or treaty?"
>(3) What we call you to thirdly is to take an honest stance with yourselves - and I doubt you will do so - to discover that you are a nation without principles or manners, and that the values and principles to you are something which you merely demand from others, not that which you yourself must adhere to.
Cooper Baker
mudslime cope
nobody cares Osama go back to your cave
Adam Sanchez
>(5) We also advise you to pack your luggage and get out of our lands. We desire for your goodness, guidance, and righteousness, so do not force us to send you back as cargo in coffins.
>(6) Sixthly, we call upon you to end your support of the corrupt leaders in our countries. Do not interfere in our politics and method of education. Leave us alone, or else expect us in New York and Washington.
>(7) We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of sub dual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.
>If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy.
Blake Jenkins
so dumb even your insults are boring to read, do the world a favor and kill yourself asap
Camden Smith
What’s interesting here is that osama seems like your boilerplate disaffected Holden caulfield youth. Lending credence to the theory that ideological extremist murders aren’t so much ideological as they are mentally ill. So much for Sam Harris
Hudson Kelly
aye we goodboiz muslims dindh nuffin aigt? fuck zionists n merica aye?
Matthew Stewart
He just believed in a different moral code under which America appeared to be evil. That's really all there is to it. No need to invent additional wacko out-there theories.
You say that as if he put a quarter in the morality machine and out popped that particular ted kazinski level of morality. That’s not how this works. If your definition of “out there wako” theories is anything other than arbitrary spontaneous conception, then you’re a bit simple (see any number of the atrocious line drawings in this thread). It’s not a matter of straight meme, it’s a matter of psychological disquiet, that’s how disaffected consciences sink in.
Chase Cox
aye achkim look at dis 'forgraph fuck merica aye our bruddah 'sama be aight all along we wuz really be dem goodboiz aye
Charles Brown
why is a terrorist country like this allowed to exist
Daniel Butler
more nukes than everyone else
Jaxon Harris
So your excuse is the willful ignorance of the American people?
David Robinson
That is a secondary point, retard. He commited mass murder to say stop raping my lands and people or I will kill you.
Jose Ramirez
Wow fat good one haha got em can you teach me to get em like you got em
William Anderson
>>(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon. Maybe if you have all these people that hate you you should consider what it is youre doing wrong rather than double down and cause more death and suffering (mostly for yourself)
Jacob Anderson
>Largely defenseless people Stopped reading there lol
Christopher Turner
t. neocon zionshit
Zachary Wilson
>This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support
ask any kid and they'll tell you they rather support gay rights because is cool modern and even edgy while they dab. People here are just fags out of touch and old as fuck. Not to mention they were never edgy, and Yea Forums was never the place that user describes.
Blake Kelly
>newfag who wasn't here in the beginning I swear to God, Yea Forums is going to end up with a completely different history than what it actually had thanks to no proper archives.
