Can someone recommend any good books to start on patrology? Preferably something in a couple of volumes starting with something like an easily readable and digestible format for beginners, and then progressively advancing to more serious ideas/figures etc
I know of Origen, Eusebius and such, but i was wondering if there is any Patrology books out there that deal with both the Pre and Post Nicene fathers in a systematic way
Thank you in advance!
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Interested in this as well, but for the time being I use newadvent.org
Neat site, i'll have a look into it
New Advent is great they are an excellent resource for Catholics. They also have the entire Summa on their website if you want to reference it.
Unfortunately I don't know any off the top of my head as I've just been learning here and there from secondary sources but this should be a good resource: libguides.stthomas.edu
I found exactly what you're looking for, all 38 volumes. abebooks.com
Any of the "neo-patristic" orthodox theologians would be a good start for getting into the mindset of the Fathers. Vladimir Lossky's Dogmatic Theology and Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church are both good. Dumitrue Staniloae's The Experience of God is more difficult but equally good. Joseph P Farrell's God History and Dialectic is excellent if you can find it. I've heard good things about Florovsky but I've not read him.
>New Advent is great they are an excellent resource for Catholics.
Also a great source for Orthodox.
I'm reading newadvent.org
St Cyril of Jerusalem, is very very based.
Great now if only there's some pdfs of the first 30 which i can find online
There was some neo-patristic greek writer from the 70s i believe which was active in the political right wing in Greece so idk user those people sound to have more earthly concerns than for the spiritual
>those people sound to have more earthly concerns than for the spiritual
Pic related is the official position of the Russian Orthodox Church and the traditional teaching of all Orthodox Churches. Nationalism is perfectly acceptable and even necessary for the fullness of Christian life. The limits are when a.) it leads to aggressive nationalism, xenophobia, national exclusiveness and inter-ethnic enmity and b.) when Orthodoxy is seen as a component of national identity instead of national identity as a component of Orthodoxy.
Aside from literal fedposters and race-idolaters, pretty much all modern nationalism, ethnonationalism included, is not only well within the bounds of Orthodoxy, but an obligation of the pious Christian.
>Russia
Yeah nah, i'll stick to Bartholomew's more neutral and balanced view that ethnophilia has no place in religion or in orthodoxy
bartholemew is co-opted by outside forces
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In this stream I will give my analysis of the present situation of Bartholomew's errors, his scandals and now his rejection of the rest of the Orthodox world in service to NATO and the CIA.
>ethnophilia has no place in religion or in orthodoxy
>supports Ukrainian ultranationalists that don't allow converts and put Slavic pagan symbolism in iconography.
Bart is a NATO heretic and Ukraine is in schism
>American "Orthodox" who shill for Russia
I won't listen to 2 hours of some LARPer's opinion who think Orthodoxy is limited to Russia and that Russia should be the political ruler of the Orthodox world.
Keep coping papist. Every day you lose more people to us.
>think Orthodoxy is limited to Russia and that Russia should be the political ruler of the Orthodox world.
This whole detour started because someone was bitching about reading right-wing Greek neopatristic theologians you dip
Whatever you say mister LARPer. Keep going on your internet crusades who none cares about. And i'm oldworld Orthodox for your information.
If you look back, it started from how biased some neo-patristic writers were after which memeorthodoxes started to shill the position of Russia as if it has any catholic authority in the Orthodox world. Much less on extra doctrinal subjects
>And i'm oldworld Orthodox for your information.
>literally appealing to ethnicity for authenticity
pathetic
The appeal was towards honest and genuine spiritual concern for theology and theological studies and not some people who have worldly influence in their works.
Go back to Russia.
Bartholomew is way do far gone in cia and other bullshit, hea wants to be the pope of orthodoxy how can that be taken seriously.
The appeal was based on the fact that in your mind "old world Orthodox" except for Russia, are real Orthodox and converts must "know their place" and be quiet when the "real Orthodox" declare their heresies as if they were legitimate.
Go back to Fordham.
>He wants to be the pope of Orthodoxy
And Russia does not, considering they've been pushing the "Third Rome" bullcrap for so many centuries? The actions of Bartholomew with regards to Russia and Ukraine is absolutely common sense considering Russia tried to infiltrate his institution and make it Putin's lapdog as he already does to the Russian patriarch back home, who was literally a KGB agent.
Russian apologists need to be shot seriously.
And you are what, a bishop? If you don't have the authority to speak of opinions that go beyond your puny understanding better not have opinions on them at all. So yes shut your trap and stay where you belong and keep your beloved pro-russian McOrthodoxy in the US.
>And you are what, a bishop? If you don't have the authority to speak of opinions that go beyond your puny understanding better not have opinions on them at all.
I only posted the official teaching of one of the Orthodox churches. It's not my opinion.
Really though, Fordham needs you to get back to justifying sodomy and female ordination
yea i know russian patriarch is a kgb but that does not make Bartholomew right
And of course there is only the teaching of the Russian church which is official one eh?
You should seriously consider applying for Sputnik or RT. They need internet shills like fish in water.
>Christian thread
>Latter Replies are a cesspool of a niggertry
Stick to the topic poopyface!!! No one cares about politics on a Christian thread.
Russian church is kiked so are most churches at them moment.
Stick to small local churches and don't pay attention to high matters.
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>And i'm oldworld Orthodox for your information.
and you side with Bartholomew? lmao
SeeI'll pick Bartholomew over Putin any time at any date. Lest my country be ruled by Russia through her historic unorthodox politics over the other churches and antichristian policies on secular matters.
>putting politics above religion
hopeless
For the so-called Russian Orthodox Church? Yes, indeed it is.
>Russian church is kiked so are most churches at them moment.
It's the least kiked of all the patriarchates except maybe Georgia
absolutely seething. How does it feel to see Holy Russia carry the banner of Orthodoxy into the future while Greece becomes increasingly irrelevant by the day
By that logic only Greece is the church who hasn't suffered the jewish atheistic influences of the USSR
>Holy Russia
Jesus what am i reading. Who the hell cares? Christianity is a horizontal faith, not a vertical one. All churches are equal among themselves and any act or measure meant to install a single church over the other should be called out and addressed
Go LARP about your "Holy" Russia someplace else. You clearly have no idea why it's not Holy, nor why is it Orthodox.
By that logic only Greece is the church who hasn't suffered the jewish atheistic influences of the USSR
Do you seriously think that Communism is more atheistic than capitalist liberalism? Constantinople is in the worst shape right now because it has completely surrendered to liberalism. The USSR persecuted Christians but didn't manage to snuff the Faith out completely. The same can't be said for you normiedox faggots. It's rather telling that you feel the need to use our Lord's name in vain when attacking Russians. It almost like you care more about your Greek nationalism being validated than being a decent Christian
Both of them suck. And i'm not even Greek. Why can't you newworld converts shut up about the political aspects of Orthodoxy and why do you need to latch to a singular church but most importantly why are you so insecure about your own spiritual life that you need one single authority to tell you what to do in matters of heart. It's telling you're from the newworld because the only thing you associate Orthodox world is only Russia and the likes of you seem to project a Caesaropapist perspective in matters of oikonomia.
Do yourself a favor and just shut up.
How's it the least kiked when it served as a puppet of the people in control of the USSR ever since the revolution. You think ever since the fall of USSR the poison magically sucked itself out?
The only reason we started talking about politics was because was bitching about some 70s Greek author being right wing. My original contribution to the thread was recommending OP read Lossky, Staniloae, Florovsky, and one book of Farrell's. I would not have gone off talking about politics if I didn't have to respond to this dumb comment, since then I've 1. defended the Mospat idea of Orthodoxy and nationhood and 2. criticized Bart for supporting neonazis and race idolaters in the schismatic Kiev Patriarchate as well as cozying up to NATO. All you've done is blasphemed and told people to stop talking. Stop being so fucking prideful and show an ounce of sincerity
>Get's his Virtue Signal triggered by plain opinions
>Tells others to stop being prideful
Ok.
Address the point, Bart supports neonazis and race idolaters as well as bending over to NATO. how do you justify that?
Stop overreacting like a histerical woman. Nobody is supporting anyone. If geospirituality is the weapon of choice for Russia then its fair game. Bart isnt dumb. Just how many churches Russia has declared autocephalous without the consent of the other patriarchs ? Bart didnt give Ukraine autocephaly outright for good reason. But by doing so he made Russia step forth to its own hypocrisy when it started declaring a "schism"
>All senior patriarchs are in full communion
>1 junior patriarch says its not
>All the other patriarchs are in schism
Lel
And individual churches have full right to transfer themselves to a different patriarchy just as it happened within CoR for the last century. Its completely natural but Russia claims its a schism loool
>Christianity is a horizontal faith, not a vertical one
The only one LARPing as pope is Bartholomew.
Russian church should be declared heretic so the rest of orthodoxy can launch a righteous crusade against it and maybe then it will calm down its wordly imperialistic ambitions
Are you unironically a CIA shill?
Yeah im paid treefiddy per post
To anyone who isnt historically illiterate is very obvious that Russia used the church as a means to further a political agenda to acquire new territory
The universal roman emperor is the only secular authority a Christian can legitimately follow sanctioned by Christ, read Eusebius
So what if there is no more Roman emperor like now, which secular authority should a christian follow today ?
>the KGB church says nationalism is necessary for christian life
What a shocker.
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