The liberal trembles at the sight of this book

What do you expect from a -witz

The larva shambles, discussion finished.

>oh man, im so glad i spent my life fighting for politicians and the ruling class. i truly have achieved the highest virtue.

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But was he wrong?

w-war is politics by other m-means

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Imagine being this retarded

>Rights of the victor, etc
Except his attitudes sprang from colonialism which relies on a massive tech gap. He inspired not a few people to try colonialism on fellow europeans, where there wasn't the massive tech gap, and a couple of really fucked up wars resulted.

I just get annoyed by comfy white guys talking about the right of the victor but getting all upset when some savage retard jumps them and takes all their stuff. Which is it? No ethics just force? Or decency is a thing?

War prisoners left to starve in a quarry during the Peloponnesian war troubled the men left to guard them. They sorted the queasiness they felt out by reasoning 'they deserve this because they let it happen to them'. This is barbarism. Which is fine, but you don't get to be a barbarian when it suits you. Rich psychos keep throwing creatures like Nietzsche or Rand at us to try to find a license to be a savage in a setting of civilization and order. Everyone knows it's nothing but bullshit.

hell yes

>I just get annoyed by comfy white guys talking about the right of the victor but getting all upset when some savage retard jumps them and takes all their stuff. Which is it? No ethics just force? Or decency is a thing?
It's 'the world is a jungle; i want a governing body that operates well in the jungle without letting the jungle in', hobbes 101

You do know that it's possible to get upset because you're not fighting back, not necessarily because you think it's unjust, right?

Not all wars are the same.

Read the part of Politics near the end when Aristotle BTFOd the Spartans, brainlet.

110% This.

Liberals tremble at anything or anyone that isn't also a liberal.
Personally I think they should all be sent to reeducation camps at the least, conservative libs should just be shot honestly.

>The justice understander has logged on.
Even Plato would call you a bluepilled cuck.

yes they are
I think he was just summarizing the book and not explicitly endorsing it boys

those are the ideas, they're all horse shit but there it is

vae victis buddy.

>but you don't get to be a barbarian when it suits you
Why not? Elaborate. Why can't I create a moral backbone and choose to break it whenever the situation calls me to? Isn't that Ethics?

>Year is 1904 of unsere Herr
>you and your Prussian squad just got the news youre deployed to German West Afrika
>Herero"s been chimping out again, burning German farms and raping German women
>The Kaiser himself vows total retalliation
>You deploy your Maxim automatic machine gewehr on the dry Namibian soil
>Everything oiled, perfect German condition, it shines in the Scorching Afrikan sun
>Your Thick European uniform sticks to your skin
>Big Herman at your side cracks a joke to break the tension but your Impeccable Prussian Discipline keeps your steely gaze on the horizon
>You see a dustcloud form across the arid wastes of the Kalahari dessert
>a vast horde of Herero's tribesmen, stretching as far as the eye can see
>their warcries reach your fortified trenches and the fatherland seems so far away
>you wonder if you will ever see Greta again
>you shoulve kissed her at the autumn beerfest but you were too timid back then
>The howitzers roar. Moments later plumes of dust, fragments of red hot stahl, and black flesh explode amidst the encroaching Herero sea
>The enemy continues, still
>you put your finger in the trigger and let loose a ripple
>20 Herero's fall 100 metres in the distance
>come then, afrikanischer beesten! You yell, intoxicated with battle madness
>your entire line fires up, the soil is covered in casings
>slaughter continues all day, not a single Soldier lost
>return home to Prussia a distinguished warrior. Iron cross on your chest.
>Marry Greta and have 6 children, 4 boys and two girls

Nigger you just provided a 100% artificial scenario about a soldier who didn't receive a single scratch. Think about all the countless hours spent trudging across the savannas of west Africa. Hans got bit by a tsetse fly and has a case of sleeping sickness. Fritz gets riddled with spears because he was unlucky enough to be the last in the march.

Were talking about Prussians here. They get depressed when not marching/fighting.
They would be joyed to avenge their fallen countrymen and to defend their country.

Needless to say, the Herero"s got nearly completely exterminated and the absolute peace reigned for decades

*Trembles internally*

What is the best Napolean book?

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>German West Afrika
let me stop you right there

Quality post

>I just get annoyed by comfy white guys

Cuck.

Why

>yes they are
I take it you speak from experience?

Nobody is saying that war is not sometimes justified, but it should be seen as a necessary evil, not something that's glorious or "virtuous". Most wars are fought by regular people to gain land or resources or political power for the ruling classes, and not to put an end to some injustice. These "injustices" are used (most of the time) as a talking point to galvanise the working classes into attacking a country. We heard constantly of how Iraq and Syria and Lybia and now Iran are brutal dictatorships who commit injustices on their own people, but do you really think that's why we want war with them? If so, I've got you a bridge to sell.

You have a nice fantasy of what war is, of course you don't mention the countless negative aspects. Instead of playing this out in your head why don't you take a look at how it really looks like:
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its just funny that you wrote up this big story about how noble it is to get malaria shooting a bunch of spearchuckers in their own country, over mineral resources that you personally will never even begin to see the benefits of

its cucked beyond belief

not really, if your society confers high status to warriors then it's a pretty good mating strategy to aim for decoration if you have little else going for you.

>War as a means to show/achieve the highest of human virtues.
People usually say this, but if you look at WWI, WWII and Vietnam War, they didn't exactly result in more virtue.

>working at a bakery is so cucked like lol u don't even keep any of the cupcakes u bake
retard

>mineral resources

farming rights actually.
Most of Namibia is Malaria free which is why there is still a 50k cohort of German Farmers controlling the arable lands of THEIR country.

>for the ruling classes

Get a load of this pleb.
And everyone knows Assad is based.
Yes war is pain and struggle. By all means cuddle up in your cubicle safe space and never fight. Its how you are ensured slave caste into perpetuity.

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Isn't this just Storm of Steel, the prequel?
Junger talked of not exactly hirtues of war, but the masculinist hardness of men in the trenches, molded in the Luciferian flames of artillery and mustard gas. Of sinewy body, steel-like rough faces, etc.
Liberals tremble in the face of anything demanding masculine traits, not that the traits themselves have an inherent cosmological value.

>Liberals tremble in the face of anything demanding masculine traits
Why do liberals hate masculinity so much?

>Yes war is pain and struggle. By all means cuddle up in your cubicle safe space and never fight. Its how you are ensured slave caste into perpetuity.
The irony is staggering. To you, living peacefully in your own fief, raising a family, reading, fishing, learning different skills, and having control over your own life is cuckoldry; but being shouted at by some drill sergeant and going through a gruelling training process that turns you into a killing machine so you can risk your life and your body and your mental health to fight for resources that will not benefit any of your comrades or your community but a select few elites who's sons never saw a battlefield, all the while acting like an obsequious dog towards your "higher-ups", that, to you, is glorious.

Well, I doubt it's hatred, as hatred demands one to recognise the strength of what you hate and the strength to oppose that which you hate.
It's more of a fear-like response, dismissal of masculinity, because it is demanding for everyone, it is universally recognised, it uplifts you and those around you through virtue of brotherhood and blood.
Of course a liberal minded person would be afraid of such an intrinsic trait amongst his peers, so it must be forgotten, locked away in the deepest bunker covered in steel and concrete and never let anyone even know it once existed.

If they had masculine traits themelves they would likely not be liberals.

working is cucked too. the difference is that most people have to do it to live.

dying? for somebody you've never met? who doesn't give a shit about you? for "honor" or a "country"?

that's the most beta male thing I can think of

There is virtue in order and hierarchy, but as you realize, peaceful times are to be enjoyed, but not in such a way you forget the hard taught lessons of war.
You prepare in peace for unrest.
Prepare those around you, those you cherish and love from the bottom of your heart, to then hopefully survive the demands of the future.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

>you have to fight and die to defend german women!
>which were placed in danger intentionally by a caste of fat pigs trying to get just a little bit fatter on colonial plunder
yup really convincing case that a soldier is not the ultimate dupe. the pigs get a continent but you might get a medal! tricked into giving everything away for a shiny trinket, nothing at all like the natives

>soldiers aren't compensated better than others and it's not like any of them enjoy their work, it's just pure honorcucking.
communist myopia never ceases to amaze.

I'd gladly go to war without any medals at the end if it involved ending people like you.

There's a difference between hierarchy and military hierarchy. Hierarchy is virtuous when it helps you improve yourself and learn things; a dad teaching his son how to play piano, for example. Military hierarchy only exists to turn you into a docile slave that will unconditionally plunge yourself into certain death as long as it serves -- not you, not your wife, not your community, not your children, not humanity in general, but a select few elites who will benefit from extracting the resources or erecting effigies of themselves.

>it's not cucking if you enjoy it!
that you were trained to enjoy it is precisely the cucking

>no one naturally enjoys combat
you're the cuck, cuck

Yes, obviously defending your country against literal invading armies only serves the few select elites. You should just roll over and let whatever other country invades rape your wife and butcher your kids, really.

Military hierarchy defintely teaches you things and can improve people wtf are you talking about

I agree that fighting against invading armies is one case where war is justified. However if someone invaded my neighbourhood tonight I wouldn't be fighting for "my country" I'd be fighting for the survival of my community and my family and my people. I wouldn't give a fuck what kind of state is in place. Most likely I'd be a guerrilla fighter.

yea all those soldiers who get institutionalized and off themselves are just cucks

if they were real men theyd get hardons killing strangers and watching their friends die for some vague geopolitics that most of the time isnt even explained to them

id also like to take a step back and acknowledge that youre an armchair war dork on the internet, and any direct confrontation would leave you sobbing mess. a tale as old as time

Teaches you subservience and unquestioning deference to authority. Not good traits.

keep coping, cuck

An actual trained army is obviously ten times more effective when it comes to defending against invading armies. Meaning that you need military hierarchies and command structures, as well as training. Guerilla war is something you would do AFTER you already got raped and your family killed in the night, unless your plan is to covertly invade and conduct some preemptive guerilla war.

Lmao ok rambo

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of course you would. to not only serve your fat pig master but to make all but servitude unsayable, unthinkable would be the ultimate dream. to erase your personhood and become finally a total instrument - become the little fork with which the fat pig reaches for the next morsel, brought to ecstasy by brief contact with the master's saliva, more sacred to you than the holiest of holy waters. total bliss.

>War as a means to show/achieve the highest of human virtues
unironically gay

of course they do. go look at some amazonian tribes or whatever to learn what "natural enjoyment of combat" produces: semi-ritualized intertribal contests that let young men "enjoy combat" without depopulating the tribes. somehow they never got the idea that the right way to "enjoy combat" is for an entire generation to commit mass suicide by jumping simultaneously into the meat grinder of industrialized warfare. i guess they're just not civilized enough to know that to die for mr shekelstein is the greatest honor.

Ill be shooting floppies in South Africa while you drink soja-latté's and play the latest mario kart edition.

To clarify: the Herero war ensured to this day German territorial and agricultural supremacy over Namibia and increased the safety of All Europeans in Afrika.
Its something you probably wont understand, but racial bounds are far stronger than any sterilized fictious class based society.
Its why jews have a huge overreprensentation in the "upper class/1%"

oh my god youre so lame

i didnt know this was a fuckin rp server rofl

did a black kid cut in front of you in the lunch line? how else do you explain this

Thank god leftists dont have children.

It usually were (extremely) poor people and the religously persecuted that took their chances on another continent.
But sure, they were all pawns of some fictious german agricultural cabal smoking cigars in Berlin while directing the world affairs from their potato vaults

>Its something you probably wont understand, but racial bounds...
christ man this is beyond parody
go feed some ducks dude. plant a tree. do a crossword puzzle

tards like you should be shot

mhm yep the history colonialism was just plucky downtrodden upstarts making a new beginning for themselves in untamed and backwards lands. youre right.

I don't necessarily agree with him but it's interesting you two weren't able to comment on anything he said

>what is the united states of america

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throughout most of human history wars did not directly endanger most of the civilian population of a country because armies were these relatively small groups wandering through areas of low population density until they encountered the enemy army or a fortress to besiege or whatever. a random peasant could live through many wars without giving a fuck who's deposing whom this time or even seeing an enemy army. the modern war in which every civilian is in direct danger of death is a recent escalation perpetrated by the very elites that you're so quick to dismiss as a factor in war.

Helping a marginalized minority sounds great unless they are white right?

Thank god leftists dont have kids. Whatever cuck gene you natural traitors posses is going extinct on its own.

In the case of German and Dutch African Colonialism... basicly yeah.
Barely anyone lived there.

Maybe in feudal japan. War usually consists of mass rape and looting.

Yeah bro I bet ghengis khan and his band of merry men were a swell bunch of guys who didn't really bother the common people.

life under temujin's rule was peaceful and prosperous, read a book you dumb nigger

what about em
it applies there too
bad news buddy, me and your dad are adopting. youve got a new baby brother (non-white)

>it applies there too
off yourself

yeah and the economic and cultural pressure to emigrate and thus fuel an enormous colonial endeavor appears from nowhere and benefits no one, certainly not the elites which are, as we know, fictitious cartoon characters.

John Green cringe
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_Khwarezmia
25% of the persian population killed
This is before bombs mind you
I supsect you are underage and retatded.
Btw I like gengis khan, I don't deny history though you fucking cocksucker

tell me how im wrong, fruitcup

Cool it down with the antisemitism bro

The fact that third sons etc usually ended up kinda shafted and thus prone to endeavours like colonialism was not contingent on some nefarious elites, no.

never claimed his military campaigns weren't brutal, and desu islam has the effect of making a large % of the population effectively into combatants so he may not have had a choice. it is difficult to make the claim that all in all, the people he conquered didn't benefit from his rule.

>it applies there too
>too
you don't know what you're talking about

?? is english your first language?

Cringe
>About half the population of Kievan Rus' may have died during the Mongol invasion of Rus. This figure refers to the area roughly corresponding to modern Ukraine.[12] Colin McEvedy (Atlas of World Population History, 1978) estimates the population of European Russia dropped from 7.5 million prior to the invasion to 7 million afterwards.[13]
>Historians estimate that up to half of Hungary's population of two million were victims of the Mongol invasion of Europe.
Unironically just stfu and admit you were wrong. Say "I'm sorry for being an underage faggot, next time I'll try to know what I'm talking about"

Your claim was that most of the common population was left alone, not that they did or didn't benefit from it.

no it wasn'twhat's your point?

>Maybe in feudal japan. War usually consists of mass rape and looting.
in europe. read up on historical warfare. cities get looted but cities represent a small fraction of the population with most people spread out thinly all over the countryside. it's unfeasible for an invading army to perpetuate some sort of mass campaign of rape and murder among the peasants when the peasants can just spread out and hide in forests. you really don't appreciate how empty the world was before the modern population explosion.

>ghengis khan
good job zeroing in on the one exception but the whole thing with the mongols is that they were completely unique and nobody waged war like that before or after until modernity. nobody was massacring whole populations during wars in western europe and even if they could they wouldn't want to (what's the point of land if there's no one to work it? the loss of workforce in the black plague was catastrophic, who'd want to do that intentionally?)

>distinguished warrior because your squad carried superior machinery against people with bows and swords
>distinguished warrior because you placed the howitzer in the general direction of the niggers and spun a wheel for a few hours

>throughout most of human history wars did not directly endanger most of the civilian population of a country

nice job progressively shrinking your example, carving away the parts that don't fit your bad argument. next post you'll tell me that since a third son having his leg bit off by an angry beaver, becoming homeless and then in a drunken stupor accidentally stowing away on a ship bound for africa could not have been specifically plotted by an economic elite said elite therefore does not exist, has nothing to do with colonialism, and the money travelling in a constant stream from the colony to their (fictitious, cartoon) pockets is in fact a mirage. it takes so much creative energy to deny the existence of basic material conditions.

>muh exception!!!!

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yes. it's literally the most commonly repeated bit of trivia about the mongols, that war like they waged it was not seen again until the 20th century. if you disagree then find me evidence of when and how the english killed every fourth french person alive or the other way around. that shit didn't happen.

that's not him that's me and i'm admitting that the mongols were an exception.

Wow I wonder why two christian ethnically similar countriws didn't exterminate each other

wow wow wow show me when and how the hre or pollacks killed every fourth turk alive or the other way around then because that shit didn't happen either. show me anything like that that didn't involve the mongols, if mass civilian death was the norm then you should be drowning in examples.

Don't act like Yea Forums a literature forum, you'd be mistaken.

Such is life in the Kali Yuga. Read the Metaphysics of War.

Napoleon The Great by Andrew Roberts. Very well written, fun little anecdotes, and, if you didn't guess by the title, unashamedly pro-Napoleon.

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Screencapped

Ha! Ha!

You sound like someone who wants to shoot up a mall and then an hero by a dumpster jerking it to Evola because the girl you were stalking best you at Fortnite.

You go git ‘em, Clem!!

This sounds oddly specific

Yet liberals completely agreed, and even perfected this form of warfare.

>Pro Napoleon britbong
how?

Obviously inequality is the natural status quo.
You leftists cant handle inequality because you have inferior genetics and vainly refuse to bow down to superior men.

you have to go back

Good luck hiding in the forest when vikings are settling your land.
And yes, they are horny af because the jarl is hoarding all the women in gothland

Yikes.

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IQ differences are a hell of a weapon arent they?

this lmao
>muh greatness
except you'll be forgotten in 1-2 years max

Well tell me, where are the balkan/hungarian/hellenic turks?

Must have had an high IQ otherwise wouldnt have ruled the SS with an Iron but Esoteric fist from his wolfenstein castle

Liberals are very good at winning wars.

It depends on what you consider liberal. I don't think modern progressives are great warriors.

>ah yes, the weak must fear the strong and muh right of the victor
>wtf subhuman bolsheviks, you're not supposed to fight back! I bet the jews did this!

Officiers actually took risks at the time.
And the 'working class' bit is not relevant either. Prussians were levied by the later wars but it had nothing to do with the 'working class'. Besides clausewitz is not that authousiastic about making soldiers out of gorillonz of people.
I guess op was right and the liberal actually trembles at the book. How do even come back from this level of subversion?

There are lots of us. In fact most people who care because the pleb directed propaganda against him became stale beyond banter by the 1860s and the alliance with napoleon's nephew.
Even the propaganda only got so far. Contrary to the world wars, brits didn't fight much in the various coalition, and the isles were never touched. There just wasn't enough dead sons and husbands among common folks to rile up people. The most butthurt were merchants that had to go through the blockade.

the dictator trembles at the sight of liberals

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You’re the type of person who would’ve let the Turks into Constantinople, or the Goths into Rome. You disgust me.

>I bet the jews did this!

Well... yeah. Bolshevik political apparatus, state media, officer core and NKVD had a severe overrepresentation of jews in top positions.

based

I hope you mean modern liberal.

Because war has been nearly perfected by the classical liberal states that have given nothing short of revolutionary advancement thanks to relatively free market economies. And often war is avoided entirely.

Where as centralized, authoritarian states suffer from famine and terrible inept leadership to this day. Most more concerned with genociding their own people or starting unnecessary wars which lead to their own destruction. The authoritarians who, for personal gain, send fascists and useful idiots to the front line to die, just as their cultures and nations are doomed to as well. Then tell them that there is something spiritual in the experience.

What fascists (and Marxists) and pacifists get completely wrong is that violence is neither good nor bad. It is a tool. If used to defend the innocent, it is a just and wonderful thing. If used for land and wealth or to force the subjugation of others, it is evil and repulsive. There is little more pathetic than watching young men tell themselves that the very thing that will destroy their country and their culture is something to be praised and encouraged.

Endless wars have destroyed every great nation in history.

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Based

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Or you know, they would not have tried to conquer if their people would have been against war also.

While I can imagine most people either liking both or disliking both, the books don't have much in common. The combat psychology parts of clausewitz are quite reduced in size. It actually is a strategy books.
The political aspects are important because they outline the retardation of separating combat as a new category. Some political philosophies (first of all current liberals) have convinced themselves of the false doctrine that politics is innocent. Clausewitz analysis could fit trieschke as well as rothbard, but it is certainly against liberals.

>Clausewitz
LARP

Wtf i love jews now

lol

War is the means to rid the world of excess males. 20 percent of males breed vs 80 percent of women. War prior to high tech was the way to rid the human race of the dumbest and slowest.

>War as a means to show/achieve the highest of human virtues. Conflict as a means to achieve greatness, general weak vs strong argument. Rights of the victor, etc. Also some military theory, leadership.

OH NONONONONONONO

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