I'll start:
Every once in a while I visit my parents who live in the countryside. Very small town. If I visit in the spring, I like taking a few still moments in the middle of the orchard, filled with many plum trees in bloom. I greatly dislike cities. Only child of simple parents; monastic type, but my mother still wonders if I'm ever gonna get married. If I visit in the early summer, I enjoy going through the raspberry bushes, just after I finish my lunch, which is usually a hearty lentil-tomato soup. Lovage, dill, parsley, thyme and freshly baked whole wheat bread, that's what makes a rural soul. If it's later in the summer or early in the autumn, I still have the fig trees. Green figs, very sweet and with a subtle fragrance, probably my favorite fresh fruit, the dry one being Corinth currants (raisins).
One night during my visits, as I got out of the house for some reason I don't remember, I see a little owl (Athene noctua), only a few feet from the door frame. For a few seconds I wonder what it's doing there. Owls are very careful birds. I make a step and it tries to fly towards the iron arches supporting the grapevines near the house. It has trouble flying and it gets back on the ground shortly. At that moment I realize it's one of the fledglings from the house roof. Either it fell by mistake or it tried to fly too early, so it obviously needs help to get back up. Each time I'm getting close it shortly flies in the opposite direction. At the last try to get away, just as it reaches the ground I see my parents' cat running towards the owl. I get to it right as its mouth touches bird. When the cat sees me approaching, it runs away, leaving the owl behind. I finally grab it and check for bite marks - none. I go back below its nest as a pure hatred fills me. I feel the urge to find that cat and repeatedly smash its head against the pavement. I hate pets. They are privileged foreign pests; they bare no meaning besides the stupid pride of ownership. I take a look at the owl, the first time I've held a wild bird in my hands. Fledglings are quite confused for the first few flights, before they sharpen their instincts. I can tell by its normal heartbeat. Though it's being firmly held, it's not trying to get away.
As I was looking in its big, still, green-yellow eyes, it felt like time was about to turn to stone. Its pupils were like two black suns, or beautiful black mirrors. I could clearly see myself in them. Suddenly, I felt an immense calmness coming down upon the earth. Two tears filled my eyes and shortly fell besides my serene smile. Searching for something in that long gaze, it was as if reality was hanging by a thin thread. And then I knew that its talons will one day cut it. What a miraculous creature.
ITT: mystical/aesthetic moments that you experienced
The mystical has nothing to do with the aesthetic. European Romanticism has ensnared your spirit.
I disagree. I think mysticism/gnosticism is best defined by a strong empirical moment/glimpse. Compared to idealism, which is bare/pure thought, mysticism needs a concrete experience as a basis.
Regarding romanticism - I'm an anti-romantic, if anything.
beautiful
Your whole experience was the pride of temporarily owning the owl. Kill yourself.
There I was flying in a buzz when I see nothing but a glowing yellow light. I landed on a soft plush earth in jerking motions holding onto dear life. When peace arrived I had landed facedown on the surface of an even softer place, a place with a pulse, and in my excitement and fear I bit into that place and was immediately thrown into space. I rolled into the backseat of the car onto a black drench coat, sulking at my luck. That was it. I was born a bee, born to pollinate and reproduce in the gardens of life, and now I’ve lost my stinger in the neck of the man in the yellow sweater. What can I do now but to crawl? What is there to fly for? Death is all that waits for me. And what is it to die? Did I even really live? Will I again be a bee? Is this the last time I am a bee?
Projection.
i like you, sir
nice
I have had such experiences too, especially with my cat and other birds. Your desire to smash the cat's head disgusts me. I agree, it should be law that cats be kept indoors and spayed + neutered, and I also argue it should be illegal to breed them. Granted, sadistic urges towards any animal are not something I am respectful towards. I enjoyed your story except for that sentiment of wanting to smash the head of the cat.
i just nutted
Like I said, I have a great dislike for all pets. I used to get no more than 4/5 hours of sleep because of stray dogs. I love plants and animals which are part of a balanced ecosystem, in which pets have no place. When it comes to animals in general, I'm against any form of exploitation. When it comes to pets, I'd opt for mass sterilization or euthanasia, but any form of killing of such vile animals is fine, in the absence of better ones, of course. You should note that was not interested in the cat's pain, I just wanted it to be dead as shortly as possible; it's just that the pavement seemed like the closest method.
Are you born in a city? Perhaps you'd share my feelings if you had more experience with barn swallows, sparrows, hoopoes and starligs, etc. and cats.
Your sadism towards pets is complete bullshit because they have rich internal mental lives and wanting to inflict suffering on them is bad.
I also agreed that cats show be kept indoors, spayed + neutered, and no longer bred. However, wanting to harm cats is more of a reflection of deep mental troubles or issues of values within yourself.
Slit your throat, you fucking vulgar piece of shit. You are a self-righteous, callous sick bastard. Your experience meant nothing and your mind is complete filth. Kill yourself. I would rather smash your skull in than any pet.
your anger towards user is the same impulse as his towards the cat honestly. When you deliver yourself from hatred you don't want to smash the wrong thing, you either feel sadness or a desire to fix it somehow. If you really do have to put someone or something down you do it with melancholy not relish in the cathartic power of violence. I know this intimately myself and I struggle with it every day.
Also as to the thread, i had a mystic experience myself but I can't bring myself to post about it anymore. It was basically just letting go of ideas of yourself and loving everything, submitting to a higher power that is the creative force in the world which we all are in the end.
All our revelations are half-received and half-made, and such moments require some fashioning on the part of our inner divinity. This experience would be worth so much more, indeed would be so much more real, OP, if you had the capacity to fashion it into a good poem.
I am a bit of a misanthrope for understandable reasons. Cats wouldn't be a problem for the balance of the ecosystem if human beings didn't transport them around. Slaughtering cats is not the answer. Spaying + neutering them, making it law to keep them indoors, and no longer breeding them are the answers. However, people like OP ignore mankind's hypocrisy and relish in taking away the life of sentient beings.
It's not just cats that are invasive species but also gray squirrels in UK and many more. Human beings cause a massive amount of damage to the environment, and their response is to always react even more cruelly while feigning innocence. The fundamental issue is with mankind, and people like OP are proof of it.
I have no love in my heart for most of mankind, and I would kill OP IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, not out of a sense of anger or sadism, but out of a real sense of justice. I do genuinely hope OP dies in some kind of accident, but knowing how fucked up this world can be, he will probably pop out little shit babies. I hope his shit babies die too! Schopenhauer would weep from seeing this thread.
I think we are all of something like God. I dont really know what religion is right, but the idea of a godlike force in reality i think is just true. So i cant hate anyone or anything really, when we suffer we hate because we can't see things clearly.
I get if this sounds like absolute cliche but I honestly believe it's the truth.
No need to use insults.
I understand your feelings, but your position is hypocritical, provided that you most likely feed your cats/dogs meat. It's exactly the pride of ownership which in mentioned in the OP. I don't see how the 'internal mental life' of a cat justifies the mass exploitation of other animals.
I would kill the cat for any animal part of the native fauna. And from the same fauna, I would kill no animal towards the benefit (feed/shelter) of another because I would create pain either way. The important thing is that pain from foreign agents such as cats, is not part of the same category, hence my position on killing them.
Life itself as it has evolved has innate pain. Owls, just like every other animal, often face their own pain, through eagles, falcons, etc. But through cats? No.
Also, do you personally eat meat?
I am going to post my response here because you're too much of a retard to scroll up and read it. Let me repeat: it was thanks to human beings that cats, gray squirrels [in UK], and many other invasive species were transported around. Human beings are the problem for not owning up to their mistakes and choosing instead to respond cruelly to the complications they create.
"I am a bit of a misanthrope for understandable reasons. Cats wouldn't be a problem for the balance of the ecosystem if human beings didn't transport them around. Slaughtering cats is not the answer. Spaying + neutering them, making it law to keep them indoors, and no longer breeding them are the answers. However, people like OP ignore mankind's hypocrisy and relish in taking away the life of sentient beings.
It's not just cats that are invasive species but also gray squirrels in UK and many more. Human beings cause a massive amount of damage to the environment, and their response is to always react even more cruelly while feigning innocence. The fundamental issue is with mankind, and people like OP are proof of it.
I have no love in my heart for most of mankind, and I would kill OP IF I COULD GET AWAY WITH IT, not out of a sense of anger or sadism, but out of a real sense of justice. I do genuinely hope OP dies in some kind of accident, but knowing how fucked up this world can be, he will probably pop out little shit babies. I hope his shit babies die too! Schopenhauer would weep from seeing this thread."
You are a subhuman, vulgar piece of shit. You have caused far more damage than any cat in existence, yet you have the audacity to think you're in the right for wanting to kill them? They wouldn't even be here if it weren't for our ancestors.
What distinguishes me from you is I won't be bringing shit babies into this world. I hope your SHIT BABIES AND YOU BOTH EAT SHIT IN HELL. I'd fucking crush your skull and gouge your fucking eye.
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP. If I could get your IP address, I would fucking drive to your house with a mallet and send you to goddamn hell. I'd show you worlds of pain you cannot imagine. I'd disembowel you.
Shut the fuck up nigger
You shut the fuck up, nigger. SHUT THE FUCK UP. Your thread is shit and your mind is filth. I wish you could express desire to kill cats around me in real life. I would send you straight to hell, you depraved son of a bitch. You disgusting vulgar bastard. I doubt you can even read and comprehend Schopenhauer. SLIT YOUR GODDAMN THROAT. Disembowel you and gouge out your fucking eyes. Choke all your SHIT BABIES with your entrails.
This thread is complete filth, and you genuinely deserve to die. One day I will kill someone like you. I just want to fucking send you to hell. Anyone who takes joy in killing any animals, be warned, if you expressed such desires around me, you wouldn't exist in the next second. Despicable humanist scum.
In what ways are you an anti-romantic?
Do you have the same criticisms of American transcendentalism that you do of European romanticism? If you do, what are they?
Nice double reply. Not.
>gnosticism
You're know Gnostic. You are just a poorly read, sadistic, and vulgar piece of shit. I doubt you have ever read any real literature or deeply comprehended them in solitude. Take a gun to your head.
are you the same guy who was ranting against far right people a few days ago? if so you need help man and very soon. this kind of thinking and emotion is going to lead you off a cliff
Slit your throat and suffer doubly in hell. A cat's life is worth a hundred times more than you, hypocritical bastard. What purpose does your existence have? You think your experience in OP was rare? Plenty of people have felt deep empathy and connection to wildlife. In fact, I think you DID NOT. It was just about feeling powerful towards the owl.
Kill yourself and film it live on feed. I want to see you gurgle blood and fucking die.
No, I don't know what you're talking about. I go over the edge at people who justify cruelty towards any animals. What bothers me about OP is how I was reading it deeply until the cat part. That cat part filled me with revulsion.
I'm not OP but at this point I almost like you. Nonetheless, you need to be institutionalized
Shut the fuck up. No one has balls to talk about harming animals in real life because they know people like me exist. You're just a bunch of bitches who convey your sadistic fantasies online where you're a safe. If someone were talking about harming cats, birds, or ANY animal around me, then I will send them to hell.
>You're know Gnostic
You're no Gnostic*
I doubt you have even read a single Gnostic text.
Your extreme anger and expressions of violence reminded me of him. I tried to talk him down because I know what it's like to feel like that. And yeah i dont like animal cruelty either, but I eat meat so idk, bit hypocritical.
That guy was off the deep end, and i wanted him to stop descending into that tunnel, because ive done it before.
And i see what you're saying, you agreed and empathized with him, so it was inside you in a maybe vulnerable part of you, and then this disgusting thing came up and it being there in that place that was supposed to be sacred made you really mad. Is it kind of like that or am I off the mark?
Normally I have a very low opinion of people who torment animals even as children (and it seems to be a depressingly common thing for boys to do), but on the other hand I'd be willing to do it just for you because it's funny how mad you get.
>And i see what you're saying, you agreed and empathized with him, so it was inside you in a maybe vulnerable part of you, and then this disgusting thing came up and it being there in that place that was supposed to be sacred made you really mad. Is it kind of like that or am I off the mark?
Yes, it made me mad for that very reason. In fact, my published horror story is about that. I have nightmares about it too... extreme cruelty tainting what is supposed to be sacred. I felt like I was manipulated, especially after I tried critiquing it and he seemed impossible to reason with. He is like a stupid redneck or something.
And I will do my best to find you.
you want to kill someone because they had the Urge to kill a cat? not that they killed it or wanted it to suffer, they just had an urge. brother, you need help. go talk to someone. your misanthropy is not so obviously justified. it's an illness; the same illness that plagues this whole dang site
Given his rhetoric, I am pretty sure he has acted on that urge before, but he probably chooses to keep it hidden.
i attacked animals as a kid, raccoons and squirrels and things. I think it was more a hunting instinct than sociopathy, because i definitely have empathy, though i did end up doing a lot of violent things as a teenager and adult, but I have bipolar disorder.
I had a cat for a while and i never hurt it but i did get angry at it sometimes and she could tell and it made her sad and I felt really bad. Id always take her in my arms after and hold her and make her feel better. Honestly the exact same pattern as in my relationships with girls, id say terrible shit to them and cheat on them and fight their friends, but i never hit them, and after Id fall apart and cry and hold them until they cried too and we were ok together.
The modern classification of an animal as a pest is quite wrong. I would say that a pest is an animal that will continually cause damage to the environment but will never reach a state of integration (mainly due to the lack of predators). Gray squirrels are no pests, given a few years untroubled, they'd act just as native species. Of course, this would mean at least a slight displacement of actual native species in the favor of the gray squirrel, but that's how ecology dynamics and evolution have always worked.
Mind telling me a few natural predators of the cat?
A lot of 'pests' are actually native species, but they are considered as such because of the poor state of the agriculture practices.
You're clearly out of your depth when it comes to ecology/agriculture/permaculture principles.
And you still haven't answered my question - do you eat meat?
youll justify yourself by any means i guess. i hope someone talks you down from the cliff youre on one day soon. good luck
Human beings are the biggest pests. They are the ones who brought cats here to the point they've become ecological problems, but it's not just cats leading to the loss of biodiversity of songbirds but also clear reflective windows (note, one can use decals, certain non-reflective coating, etc. to help remedy this). Moreover, it is thanks to human beings the oceans are being destroyed (e.g., PCBs, ocean acidification, overfishing leading to dead zones, density of plastic particles exceeding fish, oil spills, and much more). Deforestation is also a big problem and affects migration patterns of songbirds, and moreover, even anthropegenic climate change is affecting the cycle of when plants blooms which adversely impacts certain songbird migrations. At least 60% of songbirds have died out since the 60s, and it is all due to human actions.
Human beings are the biggest pests. You, yourself, are one of the biggest pest, especially since you will most likely bring shit children into this world.
Don't care
I don't drive, I don't eat any animal products, I don't buy any 'exotic' or local products that harm the environment, I will not have children. What's your argument now? And what's with your hatred for children?
very well developed bait or retarded
if you can't forgive someone for the urge towards an action, really you have no empathy
not to mention that you would also have to smash your own skull into the pavement for your urge to kill a creature with a "complex internal mental life" or else be a hypocrite
Yet you still desire harming pets? The best approach is to make it law to ban breeding them. That way, people can adopt. Moreover, I agree it should be law that cats must be kept indoors and spayed + neutered. Killing them is wrong. When human beings create a problem it is their responsibilities to seek a peaceful solution, not solve it through cruelty. People need to own up to their responsibility and seek making change through law first, not having sadistic impulses towards any sentient beings. Regardless, I agree there is a problem with outdoor cats towards the biodiversity, but wanting to "smash their heads" or encouraging to slaughter them is wrong.
Human beings are the pests who are causing all of these issues with their actions, as I've explained in the previous post, and in fact, choosing to have no children solves the root of the issue: HUMAN ACTION. It also has the benefit of saving 20x more carbon emission than someone who lives an entirely green lifestyle.
Human action is at the root of most of the world's ecological issues.
Ted Kaczynski was foolish to never go into the psychological dimension of what led to industrialization. What is the psychology that led to the human act of industrializing? Do you realize human beings are the pests and not pets? We PULLED them into this, and killing them is WRONG. When you PULL someone into your troubles, then you are responsible.
If you cannot understand this, then you are truly depraved.
epic
I've said in one of my previous posts that the ideal manner of resolving the pet problem is the mass sterilization or euthanasia. However, if sterilization were to be chosen, I would be completely against feeding meat to pets such as cats, even though they have a biological need for it. So either you let them live their last few years with the occasional urinary tract infections that meatless diet in cats causes or opt for euthanasia.
I agree with you that the cause of cats being pests are not cats, but humans, but inferring their innocence from that is far from right, in my opinion. Putting responsibility on the humans that domesticated the cats in the first place doesn't help me in any way to solve the problem. I consider these pests as being ramification of ill deed. I can't reach towards the first moments of breeding, so I act upon the effect of domestication, namely disposing of cats. I guess it depends on what your objective is: mine would be ecological balance through one or more of the means that I've mentioned, yours would primarily be non-violence.
I do not share your misanthropy and your oriental nihilism. I consider human life (i.e. empirical existence as a human) an inevitable step towards something greater, based on our metaphysical capability for abstraction/mathematics/art.
Thank you OP, my knowledge on birds is abysmal, so you’ve helped me track down the name (and beautiful voice) of the little friend who I can hear sometimes at night, just calling out to someone while the world is asleep.
I can only imagine the feeling of actually holding one in your hands, it must be beautiful up close.
False, there absolutely is an aesthetic coherence to the mystical. There's no need to compartmentalize different aspects of experience
Seething
>The mystical has nothing to do with the aesthetic.
Disgusting, putrid, ugly and vile creature detected. Probably circumcised as well.
>circumcised
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>I also agreed that cats show be kept indoors
No, they should not. That's animal abuse. If you live in an environment such as a big city, it's much better just not to have a cat.
Jhana. Couldn't repeat it
tell us about it
Nice piece of writing OP. This thread started out so beautifully but then dysfunctional autist showed up with his edgelord fedoraposting and ruined everything.
I hope you get abducted by a serial killer and slowly mutilated and tortured.
I hope you commit suicide.
You read Can Life Prevail, by any chance? Good chance you'd enjoy it of not.
Whoa! Kind of rude!
>I agree with you that the cause of cats being pests are not cats, but humans
>I consider human life (i.e. empirical existence as a human) an inevitable step towards something greater
Contradiction. You agreed that it is human beings who are the major disruptor of ecological balance, yet you spew humanist bullshit. If you care so much for ecological balance, then your number one concern would be human extinction, not euthanizing cats. Slit your throat, you god-forsaken faggot. I genuinely wish I could watch you die.
One can build a small fenced around connected to a door for the cat. The point is not to let them roam around and be dangerous for biodiversity.
>m-muh biodiversity!
You sound like the type of person who would put strangers over their own family due to some completely warped moral standard.
It's simple, either you don't have a cat, or you don't force them to live in abusive conditions.
Anyway, there's no harm to biodiversity being done where I live, all they catch are the things that breed rapidly enough as is.
A small fenced area is sufficient to make the cats happy. Also, environmental enrichment can exist indoors, and one can spend time playing with his or her cats.
OP is correct that cats are very bad for biodiversity though. This is well-documented. The best approach to fix this issue is make it law to keep cats indoor, spay & neuter them, and ban breeding them. Also incentivize capturing and spaying + neutering stray cats.
Am I doomed spiritually because I'm a circumcised gentile? I never asked to have my dick cut by a jewish doctor, and made part of their cult of angry revanchists. Am I doomed?
Are you referring to this book by an ecologist named Pentti Linkola? I'll try it in the following days.
It's not a contradiction, only a slight misformulation or something I didn't really mention in my posts. Humans differ from animals not only because of their reason, but I would say, more importantly, because of their innate ability for individuation. Even so, the only time I talk about 'humans' or 'humanity' specifically (i.e. plural), I'm only referring to groups of people that share a difficulty or a failure to individuate.
Contrary to much of the neoplatonic view on the 'One', I don't share their pantheistic regards. I don't think that the final 'achievement', or the 'achievement' ad infinitum of life (metaphysically speaking) is some kind of unity with the all-encompassing 'One' or a form of sinking into an unconscious homogeneous substance. On the contrary, if any such achievement exist, I would believe it to be more along the lines of supreme individuation.
By all that I mean that the misdeeds (or even good deeds for that matter) of any other human (or even life, generally speaking) creates no strings wrapped around me. Each life in particular is only responsible for his own actions.
I agree with you that 'human beings' are the major cause of ecological disasters. I have learned from their mistakes and thus further choose my actions accordingly, so as to not do the same as them. But I am not accountable for any of their greed, ignorance or plain stupidity.
You perpetuate greed, ignorant, and stupidity by promoting sadism, feigning innocence, and spewing humanist propaganda. Your promotion of euthanizing pets is already a misdeed in itself. My approach of making it law to keep cats indoors, ban breeding them, and spaying + neutering them is the most peaceful solution to solving this dilemma. If people wanted to, they could incentivize a kind of peaceful extinction of cats rather than a bloody "shoot them all" nonsense. Moreover, if you were truly serious about helping the ecological balance, you would seek to make it law to ban all human procreation. If there were no human beings, none of these innumerable ecological issues would exist. There is nothing special about mankind beyond its capacity for unprecedented amount of damage, you included. No matter how hard you attempt to live in harmony with nature, you cannot do so as a human being. The only true answer is to promote antinatalism and accept a low-key misanthropy.
Moreover, I am not surprised you are a nihilistic and individualist piece of shit. The idea of a greater meta-ethics, normative ethics, or soteriology probably frightens you. The urge to kill is described by most mysticism as fundamentally bad.
Most people don't fundamentally care about what is Good or Truth. They care for power because the human mind which led to the action of industrialization, vast destruction of ecosystem, and much more is fundamentally tilted towards destruction. If you were truly rational in regards to rhetoric, you would realize human beings are far worse than any cat, especially since they wouldn't be here without human action.
>ignorant
ignorance*
Ignore typos.
>My approach of making it law to keep cats indoors, ban breeding them, and spaying + neutering them is the most peaceful solution to solving this dilemma
I have already agreed at least 2 times with this statement from what I can remember.
>you are a nihilistic and individualist piece of shit
No, almost all of my considerations are either in line with Platonism/Neoplatonism, or even better than them since Plato did not really tackle the idea of ethical behavior towards animals at any point in his works.
>The urge to kill is described by most mysticism as fundamentally bad.
fundamentally bad - no, in the OP, my desire to kill was nothing different from the desire of ecological balance AND the reduction of suffering of native species at the claws of foreign pests; also I'm not a mysticist by any stretch
The only type of being who can create such works as The art of fugue or the Well tempered clavier, is only the rational being with an ability for individuation. Also, this type of being, just like the non-rational animal, has the ability to create suffering, but following ethics, he either minimizes it or avoids it altogether. Life itself is a staircase, all beings have a two-fold nature: the step on which they find themselves on at a specific moment (the empirical life as a human) and the higher step (reason, soul, essence beyond the empirical). I can not truly know the nature of the non-rational animals, but I would say that most of them exist on lower steps. Following some metaphysical model, they will some day reach a place similar to ours. If we pass away as humans having lived good lives, we advance one step further, following an arbitration/judgement by a metaphysical, objective, ethical agent. Because of obvious reasons, we can't know the true objective ethical standards, just like we can't KNOW anything for sure, only by our senses and bodily structures which, of course, be fooled.
adding to that, I should say that ALL life has an innate ability for individuation, it's just that humans have that ability in more concrete form, not just purely metaphysically speaking.
Well, it came suddenly, I wasn't really good at meditation, but somehow the right conditions converged and I was flooded with this orgasmic energy with the power of a thousand suns. When I emerged from meditation I cried like a baby, my happiest moment ever.
Couple times.
I was sitting in a park, and there was a strange wether happening where it was intermittently sunny and rainy. There was a band of rain with a rainbow about a few feet near by me, while I was in sunlight. The beauty of it shook me to my core.
Another time I was staring at the river near where I grew up. The rivulets and whorls caught me in a trance, and I saw the entire past, present and future as sone continuous uninterrupted stream.
Yeah. He writes a fair bit about cats and ecology, it's a relatively interesting read.
>foreign pests
The truly real foreign pests are human beings who have created these complications. Your progressivism and humanism are nonsense in light of mankind's utter failure to live up to a moral standard aligned with ecological balance and minimizing suffering. The causal source of these issues, such as cats being brought here, originates precisely from human beings. Killing cats after creating such an issue is cruel and involves ignoring the real causal source of these problems, which is human beings.
If life is a staircase, then mankind is at the very bottom and is causing the staircase to collapse.
One thing I can say for sure regarding true objective ethical standards is the urge to kill any sentient being is bad. What is preferable is peaceful extinction. If everyone stopped popping out little shit babies now, then all of these problems will vanish in a few generations.
Your nonsense regarding the metaphysics of individuation would take more time to refute, which I am not presently in the mood for.
I love those moments can big relate to that chief
My problem with anti-natalism is that it's so against nature and beauty and every impulse within me. As much as aI see the logical validity behind having no more kids, all I want is a nice girl and a small plot of land and a little family. I know it's not a bad thing to do morally either, despite the objections. I dunno man, if responsible people were to have kids (aka those who are most likely to not have kids because they are ethical people) the world would be better than if every retard who has the impulse to have 10 kids popped them out non-stop. just my two cents
>Your nonsense regarding the metaphysics of individuation would take more time to refute, which I am not presently in the mood for.
how exactly do you prove this kind of metaphysical statement to be wrong?