>wake up tired
>force yourself out of bed
>eat
>get stuck in traffic
>1 hour commute
>8 hour pointless work
>1 hour commute
>get stuck in traffic again
>get home
>do chores
>eat
>more chores
>watch news on how shitty the world is
>go to sleep
>wake up tired again
>repeat 5 days a week for rest of your live until the economy has sucked whatever life force was originally inside you in the name of growth
Just work hard!
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I wish I knew user. I have an interview to become a janitor in an hour. I wish I could avoid all this. Overtime student as well
The ability to work is a blessing and the love of work is success. Man up.
Join a monastery.
life isn't that much better if you dont have a job
That's a lie. It's much better, and if it isn't then it's your own fault
Well, at least you have two days a week for yourself.
I dont get how, as tecnocapitalism progresses, work hours dont get reduced
fucking hell we working for skynet already
Most people dont work for the love of work but because they are forced to. Youre just romanticizing slavery.
Nah, we just say that because most people have lost their imagination, not being able to vision a life without showing up at some office to do arbitrary and utterly pointless, trivial tasks for owners that pay lots of money for management consultants to keep you "motivated and happy" at work because they know that its fucking souldraining and that people are naturally geared towards an organic lifestyle.
Shut the fuck up boomer
>w-why isn't our oppressive capitalist system that only benefits those on top making life better for the common man!!!!???? trump won!!! why isn't life good now like /pol/ promised me????
Well fuck that, I want the full seven. What the fuck man, this isn't even cope this is just giving up
Socialism would be even worse, you wouldn't even pick your wagie slavery life it would be assigned to you
Study in a funded graduate program, eventually get PhD while being paid by your university, work on research or teaching in comfy college town, gradually buy condos and rent them out to students while you self publish erotica online.
We would get paid more under socialism. We would have meaningful jobs that aren't just "make money for uncle shekelstein and he'll break you off 1/100th of the value of your labor for being such a good goy!"
>still seething 3 years later
Youd have to prove work wont also be mostly pointless in socialism either. Lots of promises no results so far
lobbyism and corruption mainly. I would say the hours aren't the biggest problem, but the jobs are. Shitty, easy jobs will disappear more and more. Hopefully the rotten government actually solves some issues before automation happens
>do this for a couple years
>save as much money as you can
>buy a house on the country side with some land
>go take a fat shit on your boss' desk and quit your job
>live off the land for the rest of your life
>get a cute young WHITE wife and WHITE children
>1488
If the government is the one providing jobs the logical conclusion is that the jobs provided will be necessary for the good of the country and not degrading shit like fast food and retail.
>couple years
lmao is /pol/ really this retarded?
>DUDE JUST BE GRATEFUL LMAO
Most gov jobs is being a desk jockey though.
What does this have to do with pol?
You don't have to buy the fanciest fucking mansion you can find. And if you're waging you're at least working a job with 4k/month right?
learn to code
>>get a cute young WHITE wife and WHITE children
>What does this have to do with pol?
Being a desk jockey charged with maintaining a bureaucracy is still more meaningful than selling corduroy sweaters and khakis at JC Penney your whole life
>what does 1488 have to do with /pol/
>you'll be able to save every penny you earn at work!
when you have a job people expect you to pay your own rent, buy your own food, pay for transportation, etc. You cant just get a job and mooch off your parents too. Your childish fantasy just shows me you're an underage with 0 perspective on how things work in the adult world.
Learn to love capital
it gives meaning from the future
>couple of years
funniest post I've read this whole week. Thanks, user
Still not seeing it. Sorry.
it is as it is user.
The prospect of capitalism has done nothing but stain the lives of men. The disconnectedness and work without seeing the fruits of labor is nothing but anti-human. Humanity was not created to move beyond the point of working in a tidily knit community for their rest of their lives. Humans can't adapt to the modern life, but modern life can adapt to us. All of our suffering comes from the sheer competition for being more energy efficient. The Nazis were right on the thinking that there was to be a single supervisor above everything else, but wrong that it was a race that it was supposed to take the role. That is what we need, a single global entity steering the wheel. We need a King/Emperor/God-Emperor to steer mankind into a future made for mankind, not a future made for Capital. As Capital progresses, more and more will it be favoring entities with specified intelligence rather than general intelligence- the obvious conclusion being the A.I./cyborg takeover. A single King would always living in a place where he, as a man, would enjoy living. Versus the Capital which prefers a place that is more energy efficient, rather than humane. Therefore the solution is a King who ensures the well-being of his subjects through the guiding principle of enlightened men and the sheer piercing light.. of God's word.
That's why it's up to you, user, to accelerate the world into an extreme dystopia and cause it to fall upon itself like a collapsing old star
Read Kaczynski! Bomb technophiles, computer companies, computer science teachers, airlines, and other techno-capitalist keystones in Minecraft to blow off some steam ;)
I spend around 1k per month including rent and bills. Im a student but when get a job itll be like 3.5k - 4k per month. That's 2.5-3k in savings every month making at least 60k in two years.
Join a homeless art collective, I don't know.
>rent
>less than 1k a month
you're lucky enough to live somewhere that the housing market isnt fucked up the ass. here in california 3.5k to 4k a month is your rent, and you work a second job just to pay the bills
>wake up early after a good night's sleep because you went to bed early
>have 2 or 3 hours of free time in the morning when you're still energetic and motivated before work to work on hobbies
>eat a healthy and nutritional breakfast
>short commute because you prioritised commute time when picking somewhere to live, or long commute if you decided to prioritise something else, it's up to you
>8 hours of work
>commute again
>get home, relax (seriously, chores are like a once a week thing in a normal week. nobody is cleaning their house and doing laundry every single afternoon)
>go to bed early
Life is shit if you're dumb and poor. If you're too tired to do things after work, get up early and do them in the morning. If you're tired, eat better and sleep more. If your job sucks, get a different one. If your commute is too long, move. All of these problems are solvable. The root cause is not the agony of existence - existence has never been more pleasant and more easy for humans. The root cause is your shitty attitude.
No, you can't fix everything in your life by smiling and whistling, but you'd be surprised at the things that you can fix just by realising that they are within your power TO fix. You are not an idiot. You are not weak. You are not just some serf or slave being carried along by the eddies of "the economy." You're a human being. You have agency and you have power.
Decide what you want, make a plan to get it, execute that plan, and then reap the rewards.
>just get a better job bro
laughable advice
Lmaoing at amerimutts. That is some soul eating rent, mine is 400 european dollars a month.
Works on my machine ;)
eat shit boomer
why do Europeans come into threads obviously not about them and try and give advice to people who's situation is widely different from theres?
because they like laughing at slave boomers like this guy I've done everything the guy mentions in that post, and yes it did feel good, but that doesn't mean the system isn't fucked which is what retards like him just can't wrap their heads around.
>the system is fucked
By literally what metric?
based and wholesome
enjoy your tech-feudalism faggot
the metric metric
One must imagine the wageslave happy.
Fuck off boomer
Name one metric where it isn’t
If your school is a research college get into a lab for work. The beginning and ends of semesters are the times to get in because that's when people abruptly quit. The hours are flexible, you're already on campus, and I got scholarships on top of my pay for taking part in research.
If any of you are going into STEM only go to research colleges, especially big state ones. There are more opportunities and it's much cheaper, especially if you wage slave through community college first.
>Couple of years
Lol, it would take 3 decades and saving at least 60% of your monthly salery for this to be possible
Based
Get a job at a unionized place, or contact a local union that handles your field and talk to them about organizing the place from inside. Another option is doing your best to emigrate to a country with better work life balance like Denmark or France if possible.
The best solution I've come up with (albeit very poor in itself) is to work arduously for a decade or so towards (and out of the debt of) a specialty that pays very well, and then living relatively humbly off of 20 hours of good pay a week. The catch to this plan is that initial arduous work, and above-average academic achievement, for at least a decade in really any respectable track.
>Join a monastery.
I suppose, but you do have to work in monasteries, and if you ever leave you haven't acquired any new skills, and I have a feeling that most Yea Forumsheads would be banished for accidental apostasy.
>Study in a funded graduate program, etc.
This plan is delusional. You would only be postponing your poverty with a stipended graduate program; academia is incredibly competitive nowadays, and even if you were talented and driven and hardworking enough to rise above adjunct positions (paid less than a good secretary) you would most likely only make $70k or $80k yearly, and college towns are very expensive. Condos and erotica are just icing on the delusory cake.
>do this for a couple years, save as much money as you can, etc.
Not feasible at median wage even if you live with your parents and have no cost of living.
>That's 2.5-3k in savings every month making at least 60k in two years
Where would you find property that cheap?
>13689656
>learn to code
Eh. Isn't that field oversaturated with degree-holders now?
Communes do exist but they have to stay afloat so they all work hard.
You people disgust me.
>productivity goes up
>supply goes up
>prices come down
>hourly compensation doesn't need to rise because the same amount of money buys more goods
Isn't your gay techno utopia one where zero dollars buys infinite goods? What do you think the productivity vs compensation graph would look like in that society? Zero compensation, infinite productivity.
As you can see, household wealth continues to grow. You can ignore the dip at the end of the graph, that's the 2008 crash and we've recovered from that.
Just read the manual dummy
>what is purchasing power
fucking retard stop posting
>ITS A GOOD THING THAT YOU'RE GETTING PAID LESS THAN YOU DESERVE TO EARN BECAUSE COCA COLA AND CHEESE PUFFS ARE NOW 10 CENTS CHEAPER AT WALMART
Go kill yourself and die fucking boomer
>he thinks trying to measure income through arcane bullshit metrics is better than simply measuring consumption
Yes user, I'm the retard. That's why every economist ever looks at consumption to judge the health of an economy.
>DESERVE
There's that word again.
>get paid more
Yeah, and empty stores
>meaningful jobs
Kekd hard, why are you implying that?
>>DESERVE
>theres that word again
you're totally right dude, people don't have human rights. society doesn't owe them a fulfilling life in exchange for their endless toil spent in the name of its propagation.
I don't give a fuck what economists do or think. Fuck the economy. GDP is bullshit, if you don't know how they game the stats yet you're hopelessly naive.
Actually read the thread you're replying to and your question will be answered
Nobody except maybe paramedics and firemen does work that is actually good or useful. The rest is just system maintanence to keep the wheels spinning. Pointless, superflous, oversaturated jobs. Its all so tiring.
Give everything up and go work on an organic farm. It'll be hard but satisfying.
Exactly this. It's rich getting the "contribute to society" spiel from some faggot whose spent his life marketing squeegees or whatever
Yeah good luck "a few years". Try two decades at least unless youre smart and resourceful to get raises and promotions in which cause you would probably hesistate with that plan of yours once money start talking...the work will still be as uselessly vain as always no matter if you are the CEO of Goldman Sachs or a low leven tax worker.
>society doesn't owe them a fulfilling life
Correct. Nobody owes you a "fulfilling" life and nobody ever has. If you're a shit you'll be treated like one and that's good and proper.
There are problems with the US economy, but you're not complaining about those specific and measurable problems. You are complaining about having to work for a living at all. You are just using the comparatively small and trivial problems of the first world as a cover for what you really want, which is endless free money and a life of sloth.
I'm happy to talk about all of the real ways that things could be improved, but that requires that we firstly agree that, generally speaking, things aren't actually that bad. But you will never agree with that because if you don't feel good then that must mean the world is bad. There can be no other explanation for your problems than a conspiracy of reality out to get you.
>endless toil spent in the name of its propagation.
Oh, I'm sorry. Are you not being paid?
>GDP is bullshit
I know. That's why I'm not quoting it at you.
Eat shit you degenerate christcuck.
ok bootlicker
>Eh. Isn't that field oversaturated with degree-holders now?
I was just joking, but it's only oversaturated with low-level brainlets who fell for the meme. Actual professionals are always in demand and if you're good you can get a job even without a degree.
The last retort of the immature brainlet.
i dont waste time debating bootlickers, they're only mindless husks who mistake regurgitating propaganda for actual rhetoric
>all the butthurt failures replying to this comment
>not a single one can prove you wrong
Nice work.
Dunning-Kruger in full effect here.
FUCK JOBS AND FUCK WORKING
USSR had mandatory full employment btw.
>d-dunny krooger!
lol
Absolutely fucking based.
Measuring an economy by consumption is retarded most of it is debt fueled. Debt is at an all time high.
>"i have literally nothing to learn from other people"
Truly the opinion of our greatest mind.
The first response literally did that. And he didnt say anything that should be proven wrong. Like the user said; pure ideation of work. Typical slave content with his lead role in the cage.
There is literally nothing wrong with debt.
Maybe I'm biased because I have no debt from undergrad from scholarships and live in a southern college town that is still fairly cheap to live in, and very cheap ($70-100k for a small, habitable house and acreage) in the county. I did wageslave through high school and community college so I didn't get out of that one. I might not get into academia but I'm being paid for it now and have no debt. I know several professors who will retire early off of real estate here, though the cost of it is rising. Erotica pays my rent already and the amount I earn from that is growing, but I know it isn't something I can always depend on.
You're right though, if you have a bunch of debt don't keep putting it off with graduate degrees because the interest will catch up to you in the end.
Oy vey.
>NOOO MY PERFECT SOCIALIST SYSTEM COULD GIVE EVERYONE A JOB EXCEPT ME BECAUSE I'M SPESHUL ANS UNIQUE
It pulls consumption forward and discouraged proactive planning
He didn't mention Christ once. He's speaking in spiritual terms that all enlightened men are familiar with. You've outed yourself as a soulless brainlet, back to r*ddit
Wtf I love being a state mandated grave digger now
Based
Also intergenerational consumptive debt is child abuse. Not even joking
Debt is what forces people to work, so economists love debt, because its oil for the machine. Stop taking up debt, the machine stops, and we can have a new way of life, but no, profit, work and consumption is all that matters. Everything else is secondary.
I hate economist with a passion. They are men made into machines, totally deprived of any existential insight or deeper value other than muh bottom line. Kys.
Nothing to learn from you bootlick-kun
>Forced to roll a boulder up a mountain
>Watch it roll back down
>Do this forever
fuck the universe. be happy anyways.
hey man, it ain't the universe, all that the universe demands from you is a full belly and somewhere to get out at the rain.
there's no boss breathing over your shoulder in nature. Life is incredibly simple, but dead inside faggots want to make it complicated
Sure, and we're probably going to go through another contraction soon. That's just part of the boom and bust market cycle.
The system isn't perfect but I wouldn't call it fucked. Generally speaking, you can still achieve an above-subsistence life in the first world fairly reliably. It delivers that much, which I would call the base level of functionality.
It could be more equitable. It could be less cyclical. It could be better in a lot of ways. But I'm just sick of people talking down the modern world from the comfort of their spinny chairs and laptops. Some Chinese peasant is dying of heavy metal poisoning to afford you that privilege. Which is a good thing, because fuck the Chinese, but still. They are technically human.
Regardless of the system, you are always going to have to work. The existence of work does not mean the system is fucked. On the contrary, it means the system is functioning well. If there is no work that means there is no demand for labour, which means there is no production and consequently no consumption.
Truth. I fucking hate old people.
You're mistaking normal human behaviour for some nefarious plot. People have debt because they want debt because they want to buy truckloads of pointless shit. You can't stop people from doing that without restricting their freedom. You might think that the idealised aesthetic society of philosophers and poets is worth a little bit of market interference, but nobody else does and that's why we don't have it.
The point is that you're different from other people. Other people haven't been "corrupted" - you're just abnormal. So am I. Drones are always going to drone.
Go back to bed, Hesiod.
Indeed, took me 7 years. Would've taken even longer if I fell for the college meme. Did live in California though.
>posts fashwave
wanna know how I know you're a larping incel?
I find it more disturbing that you're probably over 18 and that you haven't found an answer yet.
I mean, the signs are all over the place until you finish high school (and beyond). What were you doing from 16 to 19? Never seen a construction worker? The nervous underpaid professor? The tired nurse? Never seen an old guy while thinking "Wow, that's me in 50 years if I don't end up dying in-between"? The movies that portray life at it's worst? Or were you assuming that it's not going to happen to you?
All of those can lead you to the path that allows you to find the answer to that question. And once you end up having that answer, you might manage to write down a critique of society that isn't born out of a quick reaction and that isn't retarded.
I am and I agree with all you say. I may have been a bit to quick on the keyboard, cause I dont claim the existence of some nefarious plot. I just got triggered a bit by the typical NPC economist reply. The plot is nefarious though, in that the "system" leverages their relative power over weak minds into buying crap they dont need for money they dont have. The economy is 100 percent debt based no question. So reducing your consumption to the bare minimum is the greatest way to revolt against this system, and this is the only real source of power that we consumers have in this system, but people are too dense to realize this and will make a ton of excuses as to why being a comfortable slave is better than any other alternative. They lack imagination and will..How can we convince these drones of what they are? Why are they so dense?
I am sure you are a very gifted person, I wish I could be as enlightened as you.
Reducing your consumption is a catch 22 that could come back and bite you.
Kek
I’m no Marxist, but the one point that Marx did get right is that the relationship between worker productivity and compensation is an inverse one. As technology increases worker efficiency, each worker becomes less valuable. Why hire 100 men to do the job that 50 with computers can? Why pay those 50 more, when there are now 50 unemployed workers also vying for their job?
How so?
I suppose so, if you work your way through a couple lower-standards jobs to prove to employers down the line that you know what you're doing.
I'm very skeptical of what you're saying. Reads to me like larping to mislead anons into poor paths.
You're correct in broad strokes, but I think the fundamental mistake you're making is believing that the drones are wrong to be drones.
If droning makes them happy let them be drones. Ignorance is bliss and all that. That's my perspective, anyway. Drone activity provides for my material needs and I provide for my spiritual needs.
Once you accept the "sinful" nature of man you realise that the system is the inescapable result of this, and you make your peace with it.
>Why hire 100 men to do the job that 50 with computers can
Why not keep 100 men and produce twice the products?
Demand is unlimited, so there will always be jobs to fill.
Someone is working at those places you no longer consume at. Then those workers no longer have the money to buy your crap, and your boss fires you.
Jobs to fill with machines you fucking idiot.
Why not replace 100 men with 100 machines and make twice the products while losing 100% less money to payroll?
>demand is unlimited
It’s not? People only buy so many widgets. Besides, your point is irrelevant. If you keep the 100 men, sure now you’re producing twice the products, but this would lead to an increase in profits, not wages. Profit and worker compensation are related but not directly intertwined. Worker salaries are strongly affected by the broader employment market, which is continuously undermined by increases in worker efficiency. Workers are simply increasingly less necessary.
This is the ultimate conclusion. What do we do when robots take all the jobs? At that point I think the bulk of humanity will be reduced to living off welfare subsistence type programs in subsidized housing, in exchange for their data and constant surveillance, all to keep the machine fed with consumer interest reports.
I think you are way too optimistic but let’s hope.
Because even if you only need one human supervisor to supervise a million machines you will still have full employment because demand is unlimited you fucking moron.
Machines are not different from hammers. They are both just tools that increase productivity.
It is only if and when we achieve machines that can actually run wholly without any form of human involvement that the nature of work will change. That is not the kind of "automation" that we are developing now.
>It’s not?
It is. It always has been and there's no reason why it wouldn't be in the future. You're just not thinking big enough. For example, a 250,000,000 dollar superyacht is so far out of your reach that it doesn't even occur to you to want one. Same with private planes, or private islands, and so on. There is a world of luxury that is so closed off to you that it doesn't even exist. Those are the kinds of things that you will come to desire. Then it will be private rockets and personal space stations and so on - who knows what the future holds?
You don't want things because you need them, you want things because other people have them. Thus, demand will always be unlimited.
>but this would lead to an increase in profits, not wages.
Sure, and then it would be up to the wage-earners to negotiate higher wages for themselves, like always.
>Workers are simply increasingly less necessary.
That's simply wrong.
Demand is not unlimited, its limited to the purchasing power of individuals.
>employment wont go down because I dont want it to
Brilliant argument.
>machines are not different from hammers
This was the case in ages past, but AI is capable of composing symphonies and performing simple labor tasks now. The age of a fully automated workforce is on the horizon. Have you been to McDonalds recently? Employees get pissy if you make them take your order because everyone is expected to use the touchscreen now. Registers aren't even kept staffed at most locations.
machines need to be repaired and altered. There will still be labor surrounding machines until they're capable of programming themselves at which point the singularity will happen and jobs become irrelevant.
The occasional maintenance and repair of machines isn't gonna provide enough work to pay workers a living wage to do it.
Unless you have a family or some dependents you really don't need to work 8 hours a day. Reduce your material desires and lower your cost of living. Choose hobbies that can be free, like reading, or can actually save you money like fishing or gardening. Get rid of your car, cell phone, and rent a room in somebodies house. You can probably eat a lot healthier for a lot less than you currently spend.
If you live appropriately a part time job is more than a enough. Stop wasting your life.
Why can't we have a simple, wholesome thread bitching about the job market and living happily under capitalism without a wagie-commie debate erupting?
Just a reminder that if this is your reality, you're not a worker. You are a slave by definition. And to all the stupid boomers defending this shit: kill yourselves. This thread really opened my eyes to how great it is living in a country that isn't a real life equivalent to a hive city from Warhammer 40k. My heart goes out to all you American slaves. I hope you find the courage to jump off a bridge or something lmao that shit sucks
Productivity improvements increase purchasing power which facilitates more demand, if you want to put it that way.
What I mean is that you're never going to have an economy that produces more than it can consume. You can definitely get overproduction in particular sectors, but not overall.
>Brilliant argument.
It's not my argument. Employment won't go down because there will still be demand for labour because there will still be unlimited demand for production, and production depends on labour.
>"but what about when production doesn't depend on labour!"
Why worry about things that aren't going to happen?
>The age of a fully automated workforce is on the horizon.
Protip: the horizon is actually pretty far away.
Yes it will, because we will continue building productive machines until we can no longer afford to pay people to maintain them (at which point all people will be employed in maintenance).
>tfw just started getting into fishing and cooking fish for food
You're a fucking idiot. Your demand for labor argument doesnt take into account the fact that there's also an infinite demand to increase profit and the most efficient method of achieving that is widespread roboticization of the workforce.
Exactly this. Why do you think we're importing more consumers (immigrants) if economies never over-produce?
Look up Jovens Paradox you fucking dipshit
Jovens Paradox: increasing the efficiency of resource extraction
user you have no idea how the boomers are in this country. The CIA has successfully disconnected them from reality
Increasing the efficiency of resource extraction only increases demand for that resource.
These are things you can observe in your own life. It just astounds me that the people who are the quickest to pull the "real world" card are so fucking naive about human nature and libidinal dynamics
the faggot boomer who bought my parent's old house we were renting shot the rent up by 50% in one month and pushed out a struggling family in the 1st floor for his shekels. fuck boomers and fuck jews
There's an infinite demand for profit right now and humans are still employed because they have to be.
>"but what about when humans DON'T have to be employed??"
Why worry about things that aren't going to happen?
What you think will happen is that self-driving cars will be introduced and be perfect and replace all humans.
What will actually happen is that self-driving cars will be introduced and they'll be fine most of the time but sometimes fuck up and get confused and a human in a robot call centre will be pinged to take remote control to resolve the situation. This means that 1 truck driver can now "drive" (be responsible for) 10 trucks simultaneously.
We'll have 10 times as many trucks on the road, not one tenth the truckers.
Sure, maybe in some distant future AI really does evict humans from production finally and forever, but that's not what is happening now no matter how much Silicon Valley marketing likes to pretend otherwise.
We are building better tools, not artificial minds. We will still need humans to wield those tools.
I just did and I'm not sure why you wanted me to. It seems to be on "my side" - as things get cheaper to produce people buy more of them, offsetting the theorised reduction in production.
If I wasn't so introverted and a coward I would definitely start a small business. But instead I'll keep saving money in the bank that I never do anything with. haha...
I think society is bound to grow around automation, rather than automation of society growing around society's needs. It's already happened with adoption of technology like computers.
We're going to enter an age where cheap, mass-produced low quality goods become the norm. People will not enter any stage of the production process and quality control will be a thing of the past because it's still cheaper to give refunds and pay court settlements than it is to maintain a well-paid human workforce.
How the hell is someone with crippling non-meme anxiety supposed to wageslave? I had an interview a little bit ago, drove almost all the way there and had a full-on panic attack. I had to pull into a parking lot and just wait it out. Ended up being too late so I just didn't go. How the fuck am I supposed to do this? I have shit insurance so I can't really see a doctor and get meds, and benzos never worked for me when I tried them in the past anyways. I was in therapy for two years but these bodily malfunctions can't really be stopped by talking. I'm much better off socially but I just can't stop this stuff happening at the worst time. Literally out of my control.
>dont worry about it goy!
you underestimate the sheer greed of capitalist execs. cutting corners to save money was the norm in every industry until public health concerns forced the government to make laws forcing manufacturers and producers to enforce some standard of quality in their production. see the state of the meatpacking business prior to the publication of Sinclair's "The Jungle."
This sounds unironically wonderful to me. Is there much competition to enter one? Can anyone name downsides to joining one?
That's understandable, I have been very lucky and have not ended up stuck in an expensive city like many of my friends and family members who work hard but are trapped in same cycle that OP describes. It's depressing, people shouldn't have to be lucky or extraordinary in some way to live a simple, comfortable life. Eventually my town will bloat as the university grows, raising the cost of living and closing the window of opportunity like the rest. I wonder how all of this will end, especially when the boomers die.
theres a reason we call it "crippling" anxiety user.
No I don't, which is why I advocate for a strong central government with expansive investigatory powers and strict criminal penalties for directors, officeholders, and employees of companies that engage in malfeasance. We should be guided by the principle that markets are good but people are bad.
Instead of that we waste money on pensions for useless old people.
But that's a choice that society has made, I guess. Drones gonna drone.
just import new boomers from the middle east
There is no liberation for one's self without liberation for all. The only way to avoid a life of wage-slavery is to unite with your fellow wage-slaves to overthrow the system of wage-slavery.
A stateless, classless, moneyless society ruled by knowledge and love is possible comrade, it is the lies of the capitalists that have mutilated humanity to the point where this seems impossible despite its necessity.
>just live in a police state bro! it's worth it to have your job taken by a robot!
I don't think you know what boomer means.
>if you kill your enemies, you lose
You need to be debt free get a letter from your priest and be fully healthy mentally and physically, which precludes most of us
boomer has become a mindset
>I have shit insurance so I can't really see a doctor and get meds, and benzos never worked for me when I tried them in the past anyways
God imagine being a sensible American, somewhat intelligent but materially poor. Must be cruel.
>get a full time job
>barely enjoy anything on my free time
>get fired
>stop enjoying every fucking thing eventually
I just need bad times in order to be able to experiment good ones.
I was thinking more of a Buddhist monastery.
Whenever I worked full-time, I can't really express in words the dread I felt before work and the time between shifts. I simply could not enjoy the time between. Even on when I had the weekends off. I could not not anticipate the horror that was working. And my job wasn't even that bad. It's just knowing that something is coming either in a few hours, or in a day, and just not being able to shake the thought.
I refuse to do that again. I am luckily in college, living with my mom now. I will either get a career doing something in my field once I'm done (doubtful), or I will resign my life to poverty and work part-time with thousands of dollars of debt going to the grave with me. Or maybe I'll win the lottery KEK
But wageslavery is happiness!
I feel you user. And I know exactly what you mean with how the time between work and especially on week days is absolutely depressing. Thats why work is so cancerous. Not only does it take away the best hours of the day, it destroyes whatever hours you do have left because its a reminder that its only shortlived before you once again have to check in and the desk.
I wish you the best user
That's exactly it. And like I said, the job wasn't terrible. I can only imagine how much worse it feels when one works at McDonald's or something worse. I didn't think it was supposed to be like this. And it's even worse because I know I can't be smart. How can someone be smart and poor at the same time? I can't figure out how to escape. All those lies people told me when I was young about how "smart" I was were all just that; lies. Fuck this shit
Here's the thing, I don't think the wageslaving is all that bad itself. Lets be honest dude, working 40 hours a week security or whatever really isn't that bad.
It's the mismatch between what you're doing and the image of beauty, success, and fame you're being sold every minute you're not working. That is what is killing people. Anyone can live in a tool shed, but live in a tool shed next to a mansion and only a Buddha wouldn't let it get to him
I am the poster who replied to you. I think being smart and having an income is not really related. Some smart people just refuse to work a lot and become poor . Other are more pragmatic and less idealistic. I think its about values. Intelligence is such a broad concept too. We cant be good at everything.
For me, it's the slavery itself. I 100% believe there are jobs out there that suit certain people's desires and are actually enjoyable. There is literally nothing about working at a restaurant, grocery store, in an office, as a driver, etc., that is enjoyable. If I can't swing one of the desirable jobs I will have to take on the minimum workload possible to stay alive and afford books or risk my suicide. That's the simple reality
Tried not having a pointless work?
Try working in a productive position in a company actually PRODUCING something.
Like what
I think people would be okay even working cuck service sector jobs if it just paid the goddamn bills
It’s not your intelligence holding you back it’s your worldview and psychological makeup. But I’m convinced poverty is a sign of mental health in the modern world anyways
Actually hours have been reduced, just not in the way you imagined. Every medium and large company have several worthless positions who don't really do anything and even for the productive positions they are generally not being productive for most hours of the day.
For some reason workers think everyone should have work so useless work is given. For some capital hold 40 hours of work are needed, so many hours are wasted.
Society is currently held up by a superproductive minority and automation.
As a side note women, and most minorities are net drain tax wise on society.
I've worked in restaurants and produced a lot of food. Only to do it again the next day. And the next. And the next. Until I wanted to kill myself and then I quit
Ideally, those jobs should be only part time and for teenagers, students, and old people who get bored of retirement.
People who are both intelligent and amoral become wealthy easily.
You're saying being poor is a positive sign of mental health or did you mistype?
So what about the millions of other average human adults? Not everyone can be an engineer
How do they become wealthy, though? Is it through wage-labor and smart financial management, or is it through some sort of legal exploitation? Or something else. Because I've tried thinking through all the possibilities know to me and it seems like wage-labor and luck are the only ways out of the abject poverty my family has lived in since my birth
I’m saying that it’s easier to be poor than rich these days. And to become rich you usually have to be a psychopath or sociopath.
That depends on your interests.
If you really want to produce something then construction or factory work.
Maybe if you feel that's below you then something that directly supports the real producers like lab work in a pharmaceutical company or structural engineering.
But being poor *is* a sign that one is mentally healthy? Because I agree. It's almost necessary because 99% of the population is "poor."
My problem is that, despite doing what i am good at and naturally find enjoyable, I still eventually get bored and realize how utterly futile my work is. I guess self conceit is the way to go.
Are you producing something or is it a service?
Protip: be grateful
I just mean that in an ideal world those types of jobs could still exist and not be entirely soul-crushing.
They exploit people and know how to launder money and not pay taxes. Some run outright scams, but leave before they crumble. The rest work hard but are also lucky.
Bro, producing a thing as opposed to producing a service is the exact same thing. It adds no instrinsic value to anything except the percieved value of some part. Its not objectively good or bad. One only produces such a small factor in the large picture, that ones own contribution is meaningless, because it can easily be replaced by someone else. Thats the point. You are not original. Nothing you do at work cant not be missed.
I see. Both replies
I feel bad for you neets, just find a good enough job to support your hobbies and a family life. Build your own brand/business as a side hustle and you should never have a worry
Why find a job when the gov gives free money? Unless you're saying it's only temporary, which is possibly true. I can't really think of a circumstance where a modern western country could completely scrap their welfare programs. And if it's because the entire economy/civilization collapses, no amount of wageslavery will prepare you any better than NEEThood would
I’m phoneposting from my wageslave job so I’m not making sense. But like the guy below me said usually rich people become consumed by money and act immoral or amoral at best. I know rich people in my own family that do insider trading tax fraud etc. They also find every way they can to rent seek without any shame at all. They are practically slum lords.
This completely depends on expenses.
If you are making $60,000 a year ($5000 monthly) and your cost of living is $2000 monthly (possible if you live frugally) you could save $100,000 in 5 years by putting away 60% of your monthly net earnings. Then again I am unsure of how much it costs to buy land and build a house in the country side.
You'll never have enough money off the subsidies, having a job is actually really healthy, it gives you an area of your life to push your self in and makes you grow as a person, a goal is important to have in all our avenues of life.
And how were those people able to attain happiness in their old age? Presumably they stacked up wealth and invested in some sort of retirement fund that let them live comfortably after work
No, they both produce value, but the value as you should know is only perceived value for services and would plummet quickly in case of a worldwide reduction in real productive work.
Most office workers are only doing about 1 hour of productive work per day and aren't really needed. How can you not feel worthless doing this?
Meanwhile if you are working in a steel mill you can see what you produce in front of your eyes.
If you're in an engineering lab you can see the improvements being applied before your eyes.
If you work in an office you will soon be replaced by robots, just as paralegals are being replaced quickly as we speak.
Lol. They have happiness because they lived a successful life and now have a big family
Exactly. If they chose to be lazy NEETs they would have ended up homeless or poor. Only through labour was it possible for them to stock up the necessities for a happy life later in their years. Sure it's not nice having to spend your time being a functional unit for some rich asshole, but nobody in this world gives a fuck about what is "nice" or "agreeable" to you. Nobody's going to hold their hand out so you can live a happy life, especially when that's to their financial detriment.
Only when all jobs have been automated can we dedicate all of our time to pursuing creative and hedonistic interests.
I know many engineers that are deeply depressed. You dont know what you are talking about. Only 2 percent of engineers work in actual labs. Most of them work on computers these days doing exactly the same thing as all other office drones; nothing at all except for a few calculations and some computer based experiments. Also most production workers are too dense to realize their own condition, so its useless to even use them as an example.
is there any good literature on how we get conned into going from a monogamous society where a man could live a fulfilling life and provide for his family with a single income to a hypergamous hellscape where a man has to live paycheque to paycheque just to scrape by
just become self employed. give yourself a mission of something you actually want. I don't mean self employed in the typical sense, but in a more philosophical way
There was an user recently who was reading a book which basically stated:
>Natural disaster like a flood happens
>Traditional hunter gatherers kill other tribes for survival
>This snowballs into establishing permanent settlements
And you can guess the rest.
Zoroastrianism
the bible
Look for some history of feminism. They just had to enter the workforce.
why don't you learn a valuable skill while you work? Like get home and work on what you'd like to do with your life?
>having the time and energy to work on anything taxing when you work full-time
What is fashwave? It's just an nice picture.
I managed to stay under $1200/month. No car, roomates and a hobby reading books is pretty cheap. Oh, cook your own food and bodyweight workouts at home are cheap and build self-esteem.
20 minutes a day is enough to learn many kinds of skills, if you do it everyday. You probably could manage that, right user?