Uhhhh, Marx never said that, you should re-read Marx because that isn't communism and that isn't what he said

>Uhhhh, Marx never said that, you should re-read Marx because that isn't communism and that isn't what he said

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if most of this (imo warranted) marxscepticism was turned instead towards hegel the world would be better off

funny how the threads where they're made to look foolish get deleted meanwhile the rest of catalog is a sewer

"A survey of Marxist literature quickly reveals that it is far, far weightier in the analysis of capitalism by which it reaches the conclusion that capitalism will not last (though Marx himself gravely underestimated the time-span allotted to capitalism) than in the analysis by which it motivates the all-important positive belief that socialism will replace capitalism. Yet the fullest agreement with the first, and I agree with very much of it, does not in any way compel us to accept the second. In fact, careful study will show that Marxists offer scarcely any evidence for the second belief. They base it almost entirely upon one argument and two assumptions. The argument is meaningless with respect to the problem; one assumption is either meaningless or false; and the second is simply false.
The argument is a deduction from the metaphysical theory of "dialectical materialism." It is held that Hegel's metaphysical logic of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis somehow guarantees that out of the clash of the two antithetical classes, bourgeoisie and proletariat, socialism will issue. The deduction may be all right, but no deduction from any metaphysical theory can ever tell us what is going to happen in the actual world of space and time; this we can predict, with some measure of probability, only from experience and the inferences which we make from experience. This argument, therefore, need concern us no further."

"When I speak of the "Marxist movement" or of "Marxists," I mean all of these groups and individuals, all those, that is to say, identified in common speech as Marxist and who, historically and theoretically, have a plausible connection with Marx and Marx's theories. This must be made clear because of a habit which Marxists have taken over, perhaps, from the Church. Whenever an analysis is made of actions of members of the Church or institutions of the Church which might seem to be detrimental to the good name of the Church and its divine claims, the reply is always given that these actions are not "really" those of the Church, which is a mystic and supernatural body, but only of some erring human acting not for the Church but in keeping with his sinful human nature. By this argumentative method, the record of the Church is, of course, perfect.
Similarly, each variety of Marxist denies responsibility for the actions of all other varieties, and indeed for all actions of his own group which have not worked out well or which have seemed to move away from instead of toward socialism. Just as with the Church, the case for Marxism is irreproachable by this method. We can, however, permit neither of them this comforting luxury. When we deal the cards, we will make sure that they are not stacked."

"Marxists" unironically don't read Marx.
t. Marxist

the real retard is the person who thinks they don't need to engage with the source literature of an ideology and can instead rely on memes and platitudes to argue against, like this post is doing,

I noticed.

>NOOOOOO MARX NEVER SAID THAT REEEEEEEEEE STOP IT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO READ MARX AGAIN

>Marx
>Ideology
Oh no no nooo
Read Marx.

>Hegel's logic of thesis antithesis and synthesis

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