"Harry Potter is serious business"

J.K. Rowling made a considerable use of archetypal figures in Harry Potter, to the extent that I have come to assume that she has not written anything, but that there is a team of writers behind all the books that knows what they're doing.
What you find in H.P. it's an easy-reading Jesus Christ for a generation without God, and it appears in such a human and broad way that allows any brain-dead 15 year old minded cunt to identify with him.

>tfw read all of artimes fowl (or what of it existed at the time)
At least I figured out the trick by the time code geass came out, thanks anime. I think most of it was just that the butler reminded me of Brock Samson.

What trick?

>the christcucks
I bet it was a team, based on the hype of "that's a SATANIC book" the shit got back in the day. Someone was probably afraid in the 90s they'd get shot so they paid off some waitress bimbo. I've always been bewildered by a female having the ability to even write it. Something was off in comparison to other female authors I've read.

Code Geass is the most boring shit. The premise makes me nope the fuck out. It was Moot's fav too so I know it's shit.

the "smart teenage protagonist who somehow outwits all the dumb adults by using no more knowlage than a YA author has to offer" trick. It becomes an especially blatant form of fanservice when paired with actual T&A.

>It was Moot's fav too so I know it's shit.
kek

>actual T&A
This is?

Have you not heard the phrase T&A before? Tits and ass, i.e. the other thing teenage boys like besides feeling smart.

I have read all of them. I loved them as a child.

> There was real-ass magic in dressing up and baking pumpkin pasties to share with friends as you camped outside the bookstore waiting for midnight. Shooting off Roman candles at each other and shouting unforgivable curses. Spending night after night exploring Hogwarts in your mind.
Maybe because I never participated in the reason why I dropped the series after the last book. It was fun while I was a kid, but not enough for the whole #potter4ever stuff I see.

I started reading them as a kid but I didn’t really like them that much so I never got through them all, when I was a kid I liked Tolkien’s stuff, those ‘his dark materials’ books, and discworld
Discworld is still a guilty pleasure for me desu, I’ve gone back to the series a few times to read books in the series I haven’t read yet and still seem to enjoy it, though it bothered me even when I was young that almost all the endings are as happy as they are, a lot are fine for it but ‘mort’ annoyed me a great deal with its happy ending when I was a teenager, that story should’ve ended with mort learning not to fuck with things he shouldn’t

Because the HP universe has massive amounts of potential that JK was just too fucking stupid to utilize.

If you were a child when book 7 came out, aren't you underagedb&?

>do the pictures have souls?
>surely that fucking archway and mirror was going to lead somewhere in the 7th book
>is this elf shit and spirit shit going to have closure?
>are muggles going to get some actual power and attention as they have magic too it is implied?
>fairy tale happens instead
>Tom Riddle dies
>extremely ambiguous religious ending
>never go into the finer details of spells and magical items
>never end up making the 7th book about the spirit world
>no paralleled dimensions where the portraits are coming out of, their souls, just le poetic emotional conversations with them instead

Not him but do you maths? The books started being written in the literal 90s (97) and took to 07. I'm 30 and was 18 at 07. He could be in his 20s grandpa, ergo, child, as in teen under 18 if you want, back when they were being made. If he was 15 when they were finished, he's obviously over 18 now. That's 27. As example(s).

Do you even maths?

I know time doth flay when you read Yea Forums but damn be bait. 12 years is a looooong time.

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I read the first three, got bored

I liked them a lot when I was a kid, but never got into hardcore fandom other than my imaginary wanderings at hogwarts. When the last few books came out, I was pretty much over it, but I still read them because my granny bough them for me. I don't have any interest in the books now, because 1) they are childish 2) there are so many better things to read 3) I don't want to be associated with the fandom in any way.

kids liked to read them but the marketing behind the book turned it into a cultural moment. then harold bloom pointed out they're not very good and people started liking them to spite him. now there's the movies, which was all the books were ever meant to be.

The first three books are excellent. The rest are increasingly bad and the movies are worthless. But the first three tell a real story of the orphan reconciled, topped with some imaginative candy and stand independent of how it was degraded into a franchise.

I've read the series twice after age 20. It's /comfy/ but not particularly good. The characters, plot, and prose are all absolute garbage and jkr has the depth of a puddle in a parking lot. However, the point of reading them is to self insert into the world and craft your own adventures. If it wasn't for the allure of the pop-personality-quiz house selection and the isekai allure of going off to fantasy-land, no one would give a fuck about it. ask any HP fan what house they would be in. None will say, "I read for the story, not to self-insert."

HP is a video game in book format.

Some of the erotic fanfiction is pretty good. Read one where snape gives hermione a spanking and then fucks her as part of a detention for being a cunt.
also this. again, the purpose is to lay a groundwork to create your own scenarios and RP character.

Same here.
Most people grew with HP and it was an important part of their childhood, but they made sure to keep it there and went for other things. I do not regret reading the books, even with the fact I hate the last one, but I'm into other things now.

>"that's a SATANIC book" the shit got back in the day
here in the uk there's still a toyshop, The Entertainer, that doesn't sell Harry Potter toys etc because of its association with witchcraft. it's run by a family of evangelical christians.
they have no problem with stocking star wars, marvel, fortnite toys etc.

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I did not know that but read about he woman that rewrote it for her kids due to such next level sheeping. If memory serves "hogwarts school of prayer and miracles" I recall reading.

the* woman

christcvckery is a mental illness

>The only HP thing that I can take seriously is the fan fiction
What

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It is. It made me a militant agnostic and when I have to neet it up on buses I end up always talked to by one of the christfaggots. They just bring that shit up even if you were already talking about something else. It happens to me 30 percent of the time anyone talks to me outside.

I hate people. In the USA it's like 90 percent christfaggot, of which explains tons.

What's fucked up is they just act like normal humans no matter their faiths. It's bullshit. They sin more than I do even though to me sin means literally fun.

i never met a christfag who wasn't an alcoholic, a porn addict, a wife beater, obese, or a kid diddler. i have more respect for vegans--they may be retarded, but they practice what they preach. christfags are slugs.

>Why do you think you're using Yea Forums rather than us moving to a better chan site?
Name one... Please.

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>Do you even maths?
Rowling didn't.

>is this elf shit and spirit shit going to have closure?
What needed closure?
>are muggles going to get some actual power and attention as they have magic too it is implied?
What?
>never go into the finer details of spells and magical items
That's barely possible. /tg/ has tried and failed time and time again when they've wanted to explain HP magic.

I can remember this. They were advertised everywhere.

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>The first three books are excellent.
I might be able to grant you the third book, but what's excellent about the first two?

It's got so much fan fiction that some of it is bound to be better than the source material.

You're right -- the first two would be much less without the payoff of the third, but to me they tell a single story, or at least a complete arc.

>he means erotic fan-fiction
Very based

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I can live with that. It almost gets me hyped to read more HP.

Gotta milk the franchise. There´s no clear cut between fairy tales, YA fiction and adult fantasy anyway.

unironically based and redpilled

The first book really did set up some interesting premises that built up to Voldemort being the true antithesis to Harry Potter, and actually overthrowing the entire system. The screencap doesn't even mention how Harry gets shit for using "magic in a non-magic setting" which he didn't even do by some kangaroo court.

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I think that screencap is on to something, but it probably says more about how Harry doesn't have much of a character (well, until OotP at least) than it does anything else.

I read them as a child and really liked them. Reread them a few years ago and realized that the stories are average, but the world is pretty comfy. JK really fucked it up and now she's self-destructing as she gets older.

women just don't have decent taste and don't grow up mentally past the age of 13

I was never actually allowed to read them because my mum is an evangelical Christian

If that's the case, then why are most teenager fan fic writers worse than female authors?

Dobby proved he can break the rules so if he can be free then the Elves should rule wizards as their magic is more powerful.

In the 7th they/she kills Dobby to nuke that option as actually mattering. She has that one rat guy choke himself to death for the sake of closure on a less important character. It's a shit show. Some books should just not have endings.

>what powers
It's implied that muggles have magic of their own. Lily for instance used magic via her love to protect Harry of which means what? Humans can't make spells using words, Elves don't need to, that makes muggles just magic even more manually than wizards would be but it's still there. That also implies that wizards are part Elf. Hagrid is there to be half giant along with that one other bitch that proves it's common, the Veila thingy was part not human too. Wizards are interbred with magical creatures it seems. Wands channel magic that's already there but if some wands are better than others then why not just let muggles invent their own wand to draw out their petty amounts of magic? Or do they need to have some Elf in them?

It just plain doesn't explain anything.

It's not barely possible. You could do it if you had an imagination. Geometrical shapes could be drawn to channel certain magics and the actual words don't need to be really said loudly or even at all. It's just meant to shape magic, you could invent your own words to help shape random magics. Severus did that, Luna's mother did that. Random speels. Even in the first book there are kids accidentally a spell didn't they? Or the first couple even.

She didn't go anywhere with it. I'd have had elves take over as the government, had Harry in the spirit world for a new adventure (but end it there leaving new doors open), had portraits be a window into lesser dimensions, Harry being in that archway would be a higher dimension, Voldemort should have been turned to stone or something more epic that simply fading away but leaving his souls scattered to the wind, etc. It just goes le end instead. Also, splitting your soul by killing? As if killing splits souls. Is that why humans are weak? They kill each other too much? What vaginal shit was she trying to imply? Voldemort should not have been such a basic idiot. A genuine like him should have made copies of his soul and once his body was destroyed poetically stone being left there to be impregnated with another copy of himself, such as another diary, would have been better. He acted soulless, after all (but now I'm being a vagina too).

Voldemort should have been already dead as soon as he turned himself into his snake. At that point you're split in two and insane from it. That egotistical diary was more so him. Dumbledore's ass had that same egotism so it's implied the old orphan boy Tom isn't even that edgy. The snake version is though.

Do you get me?

The first book shows Vold as an unbeatable wraith. Such interest. Wow.

genius not genuine*

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I suspect that you'd prefer HPMOR to canon.

She borrowed liberally from other wizard school books. The only difference was demographics in her favour - boomer children and the internet/globalization.

No I was just implying the ending matters. Hence my le Secret Window image up there. I was imaging killing Rowling and all. A book written like yours listed is just cringey.

I just hate bad endings. She fucked up her story.

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>liberally
user it was outright plagarism.

They likely invested too much time in the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

a-at least the books were good though "No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

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Took you long enough.

not OP but,
/qa/ occasionally talks about them.
lainchan for cyberpunk or /g/ related things
4taba or wakabb for a /qa/ userbase
afternoon.dynu.com for a comfy textboard
most alt-chans usually have a "online communities" thread where they share other sites. using those, you can usually find plenty of new sites to frequent

It's serious business because you're here on a Yea Forums board talking about a fucking children's book. Art is about muh emotional impact and HP clearly achieved that with hundreds of millions of people.

HP is trash.

>“But Harry,” Hermione ventured, “isn’t the keeping of a House Elf a violation of our own principles? Should we not at least provide them a wage so they might stimulate the market?”

>Hermione, for her part, posed the question as one who loyally anticipated an answer she knew would come. Still, it gave pause to the group in the stuffy common room.

>Ron’s attempt to maintain his composure was betrayed even as his head remained locked in place by his desperately darting eyes, scanning the room, waiting for some kind of interjection. “Er…”

>But a calm chuckle floated over from the far side of the table. Harry pushed his seat closer, tapping two golden galleons together as if the currency were clicking its tongue at the girl. “Dear friend, you’ve thought about this all wrong. What job does an Elf offer that every witch and wizard could not do with a flick of the wrist? What are they but the most ingenious act of advertising? There is no magic spell that can sell music to a deaf man, only the ingenuity of the free market can do such a thing.”

>For a brief moment, his glasses were illuminated by the roaring fireplace, and all of the Gryffindor first years who had learned to break from their games of Exploding Snap gathered to watch the fire in the eyes of The Boy Who Lived grow to match the intensity of his speech.

>“Who would find any new use for such creatures worth pay? Their value to the market does not extend beyond their initial sale. A salary would only drain value. Call it slavery if you’d like. Myself?” And he flashed a grin, “Like our forefathers before us, I call it an opportunity.”

>A figure in a painting on the wall, one hung by Harry himself on his second day at Hogwarts, called out, “Bravo!” Adam Smith was clapping happily in his frame.

>“Come now,” Harry ejaculated, rising, “let us stretch our legs and bring our teachings to the misguided fools of Hufflepuff.” He made a rather disgusted face. “I think I heard one complaining about the costs at Saint Mungo’s the other day.”

>let us stretch our legs
Okay, that was funny.

Based Entertainer.

Whilst here the UK has a Harry Potter problem.
Every shop is stocking crappy botter merchandise, mugs etc.
I see it everywhere.

I went to a quant little seaside town and it had even reached the train station there.

What is worse is the York Shambles, perhaps the most famous Street in England is Being turned into some diagon alley.
3 Botter shops last time I was there. 3.

It is getting out of hand.

Do you know anybody in Britain that is also annoyed with that phenomenon?

>halfway decent

nigga they're written by someone with all the writing skills of a child

"halfway decent" lol

>Where does this attitude come from?
It comes from people who only ever read one book, and it was Harry Potter.

If you'd only ever read one book, you'd think it was serious business too, regardless of what the book even was.

>York Shambles, perhaps the most famous Street in England
Come again? I lived in York for half a decade and it barely got mentioned.

>4taba or wakabb for a /qa/ userbase
Why would I ever want that?

>lainchan for /g/ related things
So why not use /g/?

Source? I can't find this in Ayn Rand's Harry Potter.

>Art is about muh emotional impact and HP clearly achieved that with hundreds of millions of people.
You get it.

The books were released on yearly and later biyearly basis. The audience that is so fanatical for the Series effectively grew up alongside it, following his journey through secondary school as they made their own. This created a much deeper connection to the characters and world then you usually see in this kind of series. It helps that the tone matures as the series goes along.

Read the first few when I was younger, and then binge-read them during my last year in High School cause I wanted to see what the fuss was all about. I did find it to be pretty interesting at the time, but remember the ending being really flaccid.

>I did find it to be pretty interesting at the time
Good or just interesting?

Stopped at the fourth one. I just wanted to see the competition in movie form. Never read another book or watched the other films after the goblet of fire

>the York Shambles, perhaps the most famous Street in England
no

I have a problem with one of the subplots of this book in particular

I just made my own

Bout time.

>the point of reading them is to self insert into the world and craft your own adventures.
Pretty much, the plot and characters are too stupid to be taken seriously in any other way, the tools, magic and rules of how the world works means any reader can imagine solutions and scenarios that would make him smarter than almost every single adult depicted in the books for example.
If the books had a harem going it would be almost indistinguishable from japanese light novels.

Had a hearty laugh, would read a novel-lenght shitpost like this.

Kids literally grew up with Harry as the books were released. It was lightning in a bottle and I really doubt Harry Potter will be as fondly remembered by future generations.

The worldbuilding was top tier though you've gotta give rowling that.

Rights holders not letting popular things die out naturally and parents who read Harry Potter now raising kids means there is a genuine chance that it will be fondly remembered by them too

Not trying to be an arrogant fag but I got halfway through the first book when I was a kid, decided it sucked and never read any of the others. It was horribly boring.

I live in Orlando and people were losing their mind when they built diagon alley at Universal. I went with an ex gf once, and it was cool and everything, but I felt like I missed some sort of major cultural thing.

Idk first book was honestly shit though.

wtf is that list

the way the worldbuilding is integrated into the relationship narratives of growing up and understandning the world and other people is the genius of the series. Each book harry becomes a bit more aware, and the magical world with its concomitant philosophical ideas becomes deeper, as the relationships between the characters and society deepen in complexity. She did an amazing job honestly, Im not surprised adults still cling to it when they have no other real religious or philosophical narratives to go towards that offer a less childish view of reality, and the very childishness of it is immensely comforting to people, the wonder and simple values of love and tolerance, a clear kind of post-Christian Moldbug-style amalgamation of beliefs but reembedded in a world where love and good are natural forces of the cosmos basically and there is clearly a heaven and the world works in wondrous ways we all wish existed, as simple human relationships develop and fall apart, and the child grows to an adult who conquers his own and society's demons, simplifying through analogy deep problems that exist in all human societies so that there are good and bad guys, and the whole thing is written as a soap opera fantasy in the most comfy setting imaginable, the boarding school of a magic castle.

The books are so well crafted to appeal to human desires for escapism it's kind of insane.

QUALITY

Good boi

There's more, but I don't know how to link Reddit posts
reddit.com/r/books/comments/6ev0yc/ayn_rands_harry_potter_and_the_sorcerers_stone/didggeq/

>The worldbuilding was top tier though you've gotta give rowling that.
I disagree for pedantic reasons. The world is top tier, but the world-building isn't. There's so much contradictory shit that you can make a fic just out of that, but the stuff that's actually there is great.

>people grew up with it
>huge marketing
>world is very immersive
>great for fan fics
>plagiarised a lot of good shit and nailed the archetypes
Is that it? I don't think that I've ever seen anyone say anything else.

>drumpf is literally voldemort
>we are totally dumbledore's army

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its fanbase is myth-starved seculars who want their values reflected back at them through simplistic archetypal stories.

These covers were so fucking comfy. Fuck, I am go back.

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To paraphrase Dr. Johnson what's good isn't original and what's original isn't good. The worldbuilding was very derivative for anyone who grew up with the same books as JK Rowling herself. She had demographics, modern marketing in her favor.

in 3rd grade I bought the complete box set and finished it that year, then never went back. was good at the time.

>Why do zoomers use discord?

2000-born Zoomer here, hi grandpa.

It's like your IRC of old, except less shitty, with persistent user names, themes, emotes, and modernized features. I don't get how people can like IRC but dislike Discord.

Not him, but I was 10 when it came out and am 22 now.

UK ones were better.

irc is just discord without tranny pedophiles thats why

Can't agree, but not going to argue because this is pretty subjective. The US ones were really good-looking to me and I have attachments to them.

You have the ability to block other users so it's your fault if you're seeing things you don't like.

Plus, you choose your channels, same as IRC, and if people are being weird, you can start and moderate your own side channel trivially.

This sounds more like a
>grandpa doesn't know how to use the interface
problem then a problem with the service itself.

not going to frequent a platform that is majority trannies that support pedophilia sorry, i'm not friends with either trannies or pedophiles, sounds like a tranny pedophile problem from you bucko

You keep saying tranny pedophiles.

I've never seen one of either, despite frequenting something like 15 major gaming/lit/social channels. Are you projecting something, user?

Have a better list:
>it being the only set of books they've read
>grew up with it
>mass marketing and movies
>Because the HP universe has massive amounts of potential that JK was just too fucking stupid to utilize.
>World is very immersive and comfy. It's good for self-insertion, RP and fan fics
>muh plagiarism
>muh archetypes
>muh band waggon

>The first book really did set up some interesting premises that built up to Voldemort being the true antithesis to Harry Potter, and actually overthrowing the entire system.
Examples?

shitposting in irc didn't get you put on legal hitlists by transgender furry antifas, discord on the other hand...

>Idk first book was honestly shit though.
They are shit but I was recently rereading them in a foreign language for practice and legit cried a little at the scene where Harry sneaks out of bed every night to go to the magical mirror that shows him with his parents.

...doesn't have that.

I get you're afraid of non-4channel chat systems, because change is scary when you get old.

I'm sure we can get you classes at the community center on how to be down with the kids.

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>Atlas shrugged god tier
wot

Books 1-4 unironically p damn good kids books. But they're still just kids books.
Book 5 meh.
Books 6-7 shit, for low IQ individuals only

>I'm sure we can get you classes at the community center on how to be down with the kids.
center in what community? epstein island?

Worthless list, objectively speaking.

I hear it's a great community, I bet you'd love it. Everyone who's visited Trump-ets their praise.

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>am
Jesus, I'm retarded. Meant "I wanna go back."

5 and 6 were comfy, but it was all filler. Neither were well and self contained. I will say they did handle some of the teen shit well enough, so there's that.

>Where does this attitude come from?
Its an allegory for the Holocaust that reinforces the liberal notion if they just get together with their friends and take out the bad guy then the world will be saved without any critique of the social economic of cultural forces that led to the world wars and in fact goes further to tell them that when they finally fulfill their destiny as the chosen one everything will go back to "normal" which is actually a good and ideal thing instead of the problem.

because it is

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5 and 6 were the transition from childish HP to YA HP. That's all. It took way too long and ended in a shit way (book 7).

You're not wrong, but 5 and 6 didn't have any discernible plot. They were fun, sure, and I have a particular fondness toward 6 personally, but 5 through 7 all feel like one giant book. In any case, 6 was handled much, much better as a film. The lily petal/fish bit from Slughorn in Hagrid's cabin was miles better than anything Rowling ever wrote.

I thought the 4th one was actually legitimately good. The other ones had some stupid asspull kitsch shit at the end to resolve the issue, but 4 had an interesting premise and subverted expectations in a good way. 5 and 6 are also guilty pleasures of mine.

>The worldbuilding was top tier
lol?

People are attached to Harry Potter because many of them read it as children (myself included). I appreciated the series because it was what got me into reading, and it distracted me from things that made me anxious through immersion. The issue is that fans just haven't moved on to more intellectually demanding literature, even in adulthood. So you get idiots screeching TrUmP iS VoLdEmOrT and still clinging on to every detail, arguing over ships at the age of 20something. It's millennial nostalgia paired with anti-intellectualism, the same people refusing to read Dead White Men. Hotel Concierge has a good piece on this subject called Young Adult Fictions, iirc.

I think he means that the construction went well, not that product was amazing. Having read the books before the movies existed, they looked almost the same, just with brighter colors. Ignoring the obvious inaccuracies of the movies.

>Trump, the art of the squeal

Books are written terribly, however, the movies I do enjoy the earlier movies.

pic very related

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Your opinion is wrong, you bong.

That's already been posted. I like the point about how Harry doesn't believe in much, but it doesn't extend to wider modern works. For example, that argument wouldn't work for The Last Jedi.