Just finished reading the 6 books Brian herbert wrote on the butlerian jihad Holy shit. Nothing that I heard beforehand could have prepared me for this. He really went full terminator. He's a fucking hack. I feel dirty for giving him money. Why didn't I listen?
>Serena Butler is the biggest mary sue to ever mary sue >Oh wait, Norma Cenva is even fucking worse >The cymeck chapters are the most cringe that's ever been put on paper >The ending of battle of corrin is fucking atrocious >Erasmus is the most retarded villain in the history of science fiction
I could go on, but what's the point. tl;dr: When Yea Forums tells you to avoid Brian Herbert like the plague, heed their fucking warning. They're not wrong.
I love Dune. Reading the first book for the first time.
Hunter Moore
"butlerian jihad" is such a stupid sounding expression, why would anyone read anything about a "butlerian jihad". if i wrote a book about the "aquatic peanut crusade" would you read that shit too?
Oliver Bennett
Please elaborate, I'm curious how bad they actually are.
Carson Rogers
He basically turned the religious and ideological revolt that was the butlerian jihad and turned it into literally terminator.
Instead of it being humanity revolting against the predominant role machines were having in human society and culture, brian turned into a war against mug evil robots that want to enslave and genocide humanity. Again, literally terminator
Evan Jones
Stay away from Brian's books then. Don't make the same mistake I made
Hudson Cooper
If he’s so bad, why did it take you 6 books to realize it? Anyway, I thought it was widely recognized that the first 3 books (plus maybe the fourth) are the only ones worth reading.
Not to threadjack, but Brian Herbert isn’t the only hack sucking all the blood and $ possible out of a SF classic. Check out Gentry Lee, who basically wrote 4 sequels to Rendezvous With Rama. The SJW shitfest intensifies book by book; really this crap is some of the worst stuff ever written. In a way it’s surprising as Lee has really solid real world scientific credentials, but when it comes to writing he’s a reverse Midas.
Jack Kelly
>If he’s so bad, why did it take you 6 books to realize it? I bought them all at once on a whim and I was in denial
Samuel Baker
Not op but >be reading Dune for first time >my internal voice >>wow made so early it's like a classic and shows and stuff, yay >first part of first book >books dialog of witch thingy >men don't usually get this special treatment insinuations >me thinking >>okay, this is a 60s book, don't tell me it's feminist, even so I'm okay with it... >maybe these evolved humans have queens or something >book next ethic to impose: >>AI is BAD >>NEVER make fake humans >>the government has to be PEOPLE >>hedonists are ANIMALS >closes book
I'll read it later.
Kayden Wilson
AI is bad though user, Hedonists ARE animals lacking any psycick power due to starved willpower. Herbert was a freemason. Ofcourse he put a spiritual angle in the book.
Now everyone play behind the dune
Jeremiah Allen
lol retard got filtered. Dune is literally more relevant than ever
Matthew Cruz
The Bene Gesserit is literally an all female political group that believes a chad will rise up and be in charge of everything. Of course they will naturally be disdainful of men, especially men who can't see the future. AI isn't necessarily bad but he has a perfectly valid view of it as displayed by the books. The Government SHOULD be people and Hedonists aren't people.
Tyler Young
It's bad. It's naive coping mechanisms to imply that we are headed towards a utopian society after AI fails and women take over. It's feminist garbage from a time where nerds had cognitive dissonance over being born too early for nice things.
I've always felt that things like the Butlerian Jihad or Warhammer 40k's mysterious bygone past or the precursors in Ridley Scott's Alien universe or the Protheans or Reapers in Mass Effect, whatever it is, should always be left vague. I understand people want to go and experience the "what really happened" of a setting's mysterious backdrop, after seeing it referenced constantly in the main works. But it's always a disappointment. Taking it out of legendary, mysterious, fragmentary and half-truth depictions always diminishes it and drags everything down to the level of everydayness.
Maybe the one exception to this is Tolkien because he wrote the legendarium stuff in a legendary/epic style so it's almost like the creation and foundation myths of the setting. But even reading that shit ruined The Hobbit and LOTR for me by making the world seem smaller, not bigger.
Kayden Rogers
This. Reading the silmarilion (which was a chore to read by the way) ruined the world of LotR for me a bit. It made me apreciate misterious backdrops.
Thankfully, we can just pretend Brian's books never existed
Luke Thomas
>Hedonists ARE animals lacking any psycick power I think everyone is lacking any psychic power
Juan Allen
The Bene Gesserit conspire with the enemy and the Imperium is in no way an utopia. You're a fucking retard who should have stayed on Yea Forums or whatever mongoloid cargo cult you came from.
Jonathan Gonzalez
A well written story can make anything anything.
You could set up a scene where people say 'Oh shit Fluffy Bunnykins is moving his troops.' and the reader would understand the dread and threat of mayhem.
Show, don't tell.
Brody Evans
Fascist fuckwit doesn't understand Herbert blended buddhism and islam to make the Zensunni, blatantly to trigger christian fundies with a future that has no Christians or robots in it.
Islam is more fascist than your gay ass will ever be, funny how you hate it due to media programming.
Brayden Flores
But it literally does have Christians, with the Orange Catholic Bible.
Hunter Robinson
>feminist garbage The BG are consistently portrayed as short-sighted, manipulative, and cowardly.
I don't remember any of the O.C. Bible quotations in the book resembling the Christian Bible at all. One of the appendices says it was created in the distant past as the result of a massive ecumenical council of all the world's religions. "Catholic" as an adjective can mean "comprehensive," "universal," "all-encompassing," etc.
Josiah Sanchez
Yet to read Dune- anyone read Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune? Are they worth reading to cap off Frank's story? Or is it best to just leave it with Chapterhouse?
Easton Clark
I don't know anyone that didn't get brain cancer from reading Brian's dune 7
Gavin Garcia
I’ve never read any of the other books past the original but for me it is definitely one of my favorite reads. The world and storylines that were created are phenomenal and so easy to get lost in. I’ve read it 3 different times because it’s so good.
Grayson Gomez
Why haven't you read the other 5 books?
Anthony Torres
Its infuriating because a sci-fi series about humanity having a sort of religious luddite revolt against all technology they don't see as strictly necessary would be interesting.
Does anything like this or do I have to make my own poor attempt at creating it?
I'm from the /r9k/ and then 8 chan but 8 chan died and the bunkers are all shit so I mostly used the /r9k/ here in the past but it is beyond dogshit since about 2014 or so, so yeah. Here I am. You'll just have to suffer until the spazzes find a new home.
Owen Anderson
>Dune is feminist That's a new one.
Nathan Martin
>I'm from the /r9k/ That explains a lot.
Robert Bell
But not anymore user... they invaded... so not anymore....
I think you've been watching too much anti feminist yt if you're saying DUNE is feminist or utopian in any way.
Daniel Watson
>why would anyone read anything about a "butlerian jihad"
> ignore shit prequels > go by Dune Encyclopedia > pregnant Jehanne Butler visits Google hospital > Google Scan diagnoses deformed fetus, aborts > Butler is a Bene Gesserit, she knows the baby was fine > investigative journalism ensues > Google hospital has been aborting babies for years > word gets out > fucking revolution
you should go back to the Harry Potter books, where you can feel safe.
Ethan Phillips
i couldn't deal with the Rama sequels because all of the characters in the first book were genuinely nice people - part of Clarke's Nice Future concept - and all of Gentry Lee's characters were fucking assholes you wouldn't share an escalator with.
Gabriel Gutierrez
Chapterhouse is the last Dune book. there are NO MORE after that. Dune is the first book. there are NO PREQUELS.
>yt >>jewtube I only watch comfy videos. That's like assuming I watch the news. I don't. I just have a bullshit detector. That's all. I generally try to avoid that site and when I use it I mirror it to avoid the kikery and only watch boring rabbit videos and ancient societies and their shitty documentaries via jewtube.
Also I might watch something more autismal but no, I don't watch inflammatory videos. Don't project. I'm not sheep. Your being okay with that book just because it' a classic makes you the sheep.
Easton Edwards
Never gave a shit about Dune, but should I just read the first one and be done with the series to see what all the buzz is about?
Levi Bell
do you seriously think you would be wasting, what, six months of your life? depending on how fast you can read?
how many books have you read, only to finish, shake your fists at the sky and shout "I WANT MY SIX MONTHS BAAAAAAAAACK!" ?
Jaxson Sullivan
I don't wanna read bad books because I'd rather read good ones, instead. Life's too short to waste it on garbage.
Andrew Gomez
the phrase Butlerian jihad always made me think of a jihad by followers of judith butler
Jayden Evans
Start the first one and finish it if you enjoy it.
Levi Taylor
I have been looking for a good sci fi book for the past month Was considering the 1st dune, starship troopers, hyperian canto, hp lovecraft
>not appreciating the Chapterhouse cliffhanger as the closest thing to a happy ending the series could ever have
4/10 list, caught in a pleb filter
Owen Gonzalez
John C. Wright's Golden Age trilogy.
Noah Green
Yes.
Jeremiah Mitchell
>butlerian jihad It's a bit too on the nose, in addition to sounding silly. Conversely, the aquatic peanut crusade could imply many things of which I am unfamiliar from just reading the title, so yes, I would be more inclined to read the aquatic peanut crusade. It also sounds like more intentional parody.
William Lopez
Doesn't sound silly at all, you're probably used to gay marshmallow reddit settings that call their foundational story events "The Harrowing" or "The Cataclysm" or some uninspired shit.
Luis Ross
If I am desensitized to silly shit, would that not make me calling this silly all the more meaningful?
