I LOVE CAPITALISM I LOVE CAPITALISM

CRAPITALISM SUCKS FOLKS
WE NEED FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM WITH TRANS CATGIRLS

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Not actually saying you should look into or accept Christian forms of socialism/communism my fren

Just noting that the materialist underpinning of the kind of theory you've seen so far is not the only way to approach it. So you could look into forms of communism that involve concepts you do believe in

capitalism is pretty cool if you aren't a wageslave

>any form of socialism that isn't inherently atheistic which is pretty much all of them.
socialism is just a wussy form of communism tho. i don't want to 'feel the bern' with a bunch of pothead college kids

>So you could look into forms of communism that involve concepts you do believe in
I'm not aware of any. I've made a thread about this before and no one could suggest any writers that fit "communism plus the metaphysics/deism/occult minus atheism". if you know of any, let me know

>FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE COMMUNISM WITH TRANS CATGIRLS
I fucking hate that the left has been so thoroughly infiltrated and now defined by those kinds of gay ass nerds. Watching everyone get furious at the red scare girls for making fun of Portland antifa really depressed the fuck out of me. If going outside and marching/protesting/whatever means that there are going to be pictures of me standing next to a fucker in a fursuit doing a black power fist, I'll just stay home.
>"Their identity shouldn't matter! So what if they're a furry, they're still a comrade! :3
It's fucking lame and I won't be seen with it.

Ellul is the newer face of christian anarchism, you might be interested with his theological works

Bernie isnt a Socialist he is a standard socdem

Communism is pretty outdated. Pretty much everything about it has been refuted except for the socialist part.

I fully sympathize with this sentiment. Americans ruin everything they touch. I'm pretty sure all this disgusting "lol be whatever identity you want" crap stems from American consumerist culture.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éliphas_Lévi#Socialist_background_and_alleged_initiation

interdasting, I've read Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic, and I recall their being some vaguely "revolutionary" political sentiment, but not much more to go on then that.

I don't particularly know, when I was interested in the occult I wasn't into leftist theory, kek

However you do mention you don't go for "Christian exclusivism". Authors and activists from Catholic socialist/communist viewpoints rarely take the exclusivist route. The "Christian" part is a grounding for the assumptions they take and their morality more than anything else

You might like reading The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day. It'll make this aspect more palpable

That DSA video shows the doom of the American left. Every lame shut in with a tanky anime girl avatar posts about bashing fash and guillotines but can only take part in political organizing if there are no loud noises or whispering because their anxiety and stimulus issues might make it impossible for them to be in the fucking room.

>"Arm the workers"
>Has too much anxiety to own a fucking BB gun.

The amazon has been on fire for 16 days now, love to see it. End this shit.

Wait you were serious. Can you explain the whole magic thing to me. Are you insane or mentally disabled in anyway?

I’m no shill for capitalism, but I recognize something about the capitalist system is working properly if we are able to receive goods and services while allowing technology to advance.

Can somebody explain to me how “trade”, “money” and “employment” is different from capitalism? You are employed based on your skills, you earn money, your money allows you to trade. Commies tell me trade isn’t capitalism but I have never had somebody explain to me why.

>*basedboi wojak face* "OH BOY I LOVE POSTING BASEDJAKS AND CREATING OFF-TOPIC POSTS! ANYONE WHO DOES SOMETHING I DONT LIKE IS A BASEDJAK REEEE!!! WHY DONT PEOPLE DO EVERYTHING I SAY! WHY DONT PEOPLE THINK EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS I WANT THEM TO! REEE!"
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Thank you for this recommendation, man

Nope. I know your materialist/naturalist presuppositions preclude any possibility of paranormal phenomena, but they are real. Your presuppositions need to change in order to fit the facts, not the facts to your presuppositions.

Baaed.

Only Capital can save us.

By destroying us.

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If can do magic can you make me gf?

>doing the same thing he's complaining about
yikes

There's still trade in a socialist society. The difference is capital, as in owning private property that you profit from. Insanely reductively/simply put:

Capitalism allows me to control private property that I inherited/bought (probably with inherited wealth), after buying private property I can employ people to use my capital to produce things. They do all the work and I collect the surplus value of their labor ad infinitum. Socialism gets rid of the capitalist and gives the control of that surplus value to the workers who produce it. The product still gets made and traded, but the people who make it decide what happens with the profit. Workers own the means of their production (the capital), instead of an owning class.

Correct but this is retarded because having a private owner gives the worker more advantages than controlling the mop themselves

>*Let's CEO fuck his wife while he works overtime*
This sounds really hot though. Hopefully she records it.

I don't know if this works, but Eliphas Levi (take things he says with a grain of salt, he's a bit theatrical, maybe verging on pseudo-occult) says that if you breath in a girls nose she will become obsessed or very preoccupied with you. You would have to do it subtly without her noticing during conversation. By the way, I don't practice magic, I'm only interested in the theoretical side of the occult. I think the practice is mostly a waste of time, I'm more about the metaphysics/knowledge side.

Wait so you could actually do magic but you don't think that's interesting enough

>having a private owner gives the worker more advantages than controlling the mop themselves
Name one.

Np fren, if that one gets too autobiographical for your tastes and you crave a more thought-and-principle thing, read her Loaves and Fishes in which the movement is explained as for its philosophy and how it acted

It genuinely doesn't interest me. Sorry. I've had paranormal experiences tho (out of body experience, for example, clairvoyance, etc), but they were fairly spontaneous

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Shut up commie.
You can't say the system doesn't work, we just have to wait longer and the wealth well trickle down eventually.
Put your faith in Trump and his jewish overlords.

Any debt the company acquires is stuck to the owner and not the workers as a whole. You don't have to buy in at 20k to work at a company like most cooperatives do (lol).

Worker ownership isn't the only alternative to capitalism friend :)

Aren't work conditions in capitalist countries overall better, though? Sure, I dislike working hard as much as most people here, but at least my current conditions aren't what Soviet workers experienced under Stakhanovism, or what Chinese workers experience under the "966" working hour system.

Many people seem to believe that under communism they will be free to laze off and enjoy the hobbies, but historical experience shows the opposite. Communist regimes, having to compete with more established capitalist ones, usually require a larger amount of hard labour from the working classes, specially as since the profit incentive is removed they can only require in ideological manipulation and brute force to achieve higher productivity. In the end, the working council manager can be as exploitative as the CEO, if not more.

I think this misconception of communism as a laid-back utopia is derived from the 1980s, when many communist regimes stagnated or relied on foreign loans, but remember that these regimes collapsed and those communist countries that were ascendant (or those that still exist today) rely on hard work from their productive classes.

This is the kind of bullshit socialists say that makes me want to quit this retarded at times until I realise that I will never leave

Are you new? Not real socialism.

>implying the right isn't completely idpol as well

Thx for replying. Most wealth isn’t inherited, workers assume no risk, having workers run business isn’t illegal but it isn’t popular because it’s inefficient. Technology would not advance the same way. I am all for improving on capitalism but you have ti be kind’ve retarded to think that would be a better system unless you are admitting its more fair but at the cost of technology, goods and services.

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>communism is about not working hard

The only way that debt gets payed is to extract profit from the workers, the workers pay the debt anyways.

Actually you have to go back

No when the company fails the workers just move to a different company. You don't have to pay the million dollar loan your company has.

what part of "is shit too" did you not get? Was it the "too" part?

>workers assume no risk
Just their livelihoods. It's only the petite-bourgeois who actually risk anything. Once you have enough capital there is no risk.

If it's so easy when you have capital why don't you go get a loan and get some capital?

Fuck no.

T. Someone from there.

we getting pruned in about 30 seconds boys get ready

wtf i love capitalism now

>having workers run business isn’t illegal but it isn’t popular because it’s inefficient.
The workers don't collectively run everything in the sense I think you're talking about. There can still be managers and those who direct the labor in a workplace, but they own just as much of the workplace as those who do the actual labor. Everyone isn't in charge of everything, they simply have equal stakes and outcomes.

posting in ebic bread so i can make it to the genocide list by janny

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Dude just put humanity in the hands of the shareholders.
Making sure the ultrarich accumulate the most wealth possible at the expense of the earth and everyone else on it is THE best system we can come up with and doesn't need to ever change.
Improving on this is literally impossible for us as a species.

In some places managers are elected and the workers can vote to fire them if they arent doing their job well

That'd make me a "petite-bourgeois." Meaning that'd Id assume massive risk.

The progressive left's corruption of capitalism isn't true capitalism.

>it wasn't real capitalism

wew I thought this meme was exclusive for tankies

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Tbqh i hate humanity and i can't wait till the AI overlords take over and purify the earth from us.

>>>venezuela

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Why would you talk such inerudite nonsense? Are you a socialist kiddie or are you simply intent on metaphorically letting your vocal chords do some flapping about on a sudanese cassava growing imageboard. You are not even realising you're shitposting.

The /pol/children are here, mods nuke this thread before they spread their germs

GO back to chapofaghouse

this is the life you live, user. things are the way they are, and can only be the way they are. worship it all as you would worship god, unironically

Reduce CEO salaries, eliminate stock buybacks, establish single payer healthcare, tax capital gains, and capitalism will fine.