Is there any book about resisting hedonistic pleasure?

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does someone have the pic?

>In athen you lost your citizens right if you were a pederast

what a misunderstanding.

1. If you were in an upper class athenian fratry you would mentor a boy, and you may engage in "romance" with him (kissing up to penis-between-thighs)
2. If you were an upper class athenian you could also go to a brothel and procure a boy catamite and fuck him in the ass
3. If you were a lower class athenian fucking an upper class athenian adult you would shame him and raise yourself
4. If you fucked an upperclass athenian boy in the ass THEN you would be killed in a blood feud unless you paid some sort of wergild because it would bring shame on the boys family as you were "penetrating" and feminizing the scion of a masculine social structure

The greeks sexuality was object and hierarchy based, which is why alexander was not "gay" or effeminate since he was thing king and could fuck anything and would have been thoroughly shamed if hephastion was caught fucking him in the ass

Accelerate the process. Burn your serotonin receptors black as you overload them with ever intensifying stimulation. Burst out the other side incapable of feeling pleasure at all and know only ataraxia.

death and the dervish might interest you

Instead of NOFAP. PERMAFAP or alternatively CONSTA-SEX

the Odyssey.

also join a church.

am a Mormonfag and this is a regular topic that is discussed.

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Not that user, but Plato did condemned homosexuality. You can find this both in the Republic and Phaedrus, i believe.

Sexual intercourse it's seen just as useless carnal pleasure unless it fulfills an end (this is, having children). Thus, homosexual intercourse is absolutely useless. Plato also says that something useless can't be objectively good, so taking all that in consideration, you have to conclude that Plato believed that homosexual intercourse isn't good because it's useless (and he's right).

Also, i'm going to add that the first academic speculation about Plato and Socrates homosexual relation, as far as i can tell, came from Oscar Wilde's teacher in university, and he was using it as an analogy to justify himself fucking his own male students.

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i dont disagree with you, but the belief that fucking little slave boys will bring about the same consequence of fucking the son of an athenian citizen is just wrong

There's this analogy in the republic called the "chariot allegory", about how the soul it's like a charioteer that has to handle two horses: one steady and of noble breed, and the other one it's rebellious and of mixed blood (this is, reason and passion). So the charioteer has to learn how to drive the chariot with both horses in control in the path to enlightenment; if you only had the noble horse it would be an easy journey, but the rebellious horse makes it a lot harder.

It's not a thing about the difference in the consequences of fucking slave boys or an Athenian citizen of the same sex, is more about controlling your passion for your own good and the people around you.

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jumping in to confirm that the entirety of Laws VIII is Plato dabbing all over pederasty and homosexuality

im not discussing the philosophy or moral pitfalls or the platonic ideal, im talking about the historicity of the comments here . You were not ostracized or stripped of citizen rights for fucking slave boys in athens. You were ostracized or mocked for being the receiving partner if you accept anal sex or possibly killed in blood feud for raping a citizen boy. You are being pedantic but not following what I am saying.

i strongly recommend sexuality and gender in the classical world by mcclure as a decent source book on the matter

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>im not discussing the philosophy or moral pitfalls or the platonic ideal

Yes i know, i stated from the start that i was talking about Plato, not about the Greeks understanding of sexuality.

>You were not ostracized or stripped of citizen rights for fucking slave boys in Athens

And you're probably right about this. I personally believe that Plato was criticizing this very thing when he argued that following mere carnal pleasure was morally wrong.
You see, the acceptance of sexual perversion becomes the rule when a society is dying, as the culture becomes less and less spiritual and more materialistic, as it sets his goal only on the inconsequential instead of the transcendent.
Plato was writing in the point of decay of classical Greece, that's why in the Republic he's proposing a radical change in the government system, or why you can find exhortations to resist carnal temptation in all his work.

He was, in essence, a reactionary.

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>Plato was a reactionary
Popper apologist detected

It's more of a cyclic way of conceiving history. Every era has a decline eventually, and in the decline some people appear pointing it out and trying to solve it; that's what i call a reactionary.
So you may say that Plato is to Greece what a guy like Evola may be to the modern era. You don't have to agree with them, but it's a fact that they appear when everything goes downfall.

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."

If Popper really said something on those lines i can't really tell as i can't stand the "philosophy" of the circle of Vienna.

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12 Rules for Life

The Foundation for Exploration

But why would you do that ? Are you a monk ?

Father Sergius

it's ok, I know where you've been, there is a way out, you just really, really have to work at it. sooner or later you'll be too exhausted with the cycle to engage in it anymore