If you're not anxious and uncomfortable when other people are around, you're a barely conscious subhuman...

>If you're anxious in the presence of others then you're just hypersensitive
Wrong.

It's a natural response for someone who's threat perception hasn't been beaten into submission by oversocialisation. People wandering around blindly without a care in the world is why when terrorist attacks happen they get such a high kill count. It's natural to be on guard when there's strange people you don't trust all around you.

So was Ted right when he said the the ideal living conditions are within small tribes where everyone knows each other very well?

Ted was a delusional emotionless autistic machine man. His great irony is that for all his railing against machines, he was a soulless calculating bot himself.

Ted knows nothing about the experience of living in tribes, as he never did so himself. He knows nothing about living in any society because of his frigid, inhuman autism.

This is not a coherent logical argument. It makes no sense. How can you say that
>The more comfortable someone is in a public setting, the more vapid and intellectually destitute that person is.
Because
>These people are broken in, like a well trained slave. They accept what they're told, they never question anything truly important, they're content to live out their lives in delusion and mediocrity chasing phantoms.
These are two unrelated phenomena. You took two separate statements, smushed them together and then said A because B. Someone who is comfortable in a public space is capable of being a free thinker and questioning things, and someone uncomfortable in a public space is capable of being a mindless sheep. This post is one big, sad, irrational cope.

Yes, Ted was right. His detractors have no good arguments, they just call him an incel or a salty social outcast. Ted was a man born in the wrong time, stick him in 50,000bc and his mentality would be the norm.

>These are two unrelated phenomena
No they're not. One leads to the other. If you accept what society raises you to believe, you will be comfortable in it. If you don't, you won't. It's very simple. I suspect you're just upset at the realisation you're one of the subhumans.

>If you're not anxious and uncomfortable when other people are around, you're a barely conscious subhuman
If you're anxious and uncomfortable around other people it means you're a low ranked outside male. It's your body's way of telling you that any low ranked inside male is allowed beat you up because you're not worth the bother of an alpha male beating you up. It's why teenage monkeys get so happy when they see an outsider: finally they are no longer the lowest in the pecking order and can beat someone up.
If you haven't been cast out by your group as a waste of resources like that, most primates feel relaxed and lovey-dovey around their own kind. You'll notice how the well groomed touch their own kind more freely and closely than you do, and how their range of movement is not impeded or hiding their soft spots from attack as they are not at risk of exclusion like those who anxiously hunch into themselves as strangers are.
There are many books about this.

>If you're anxious and uncomfortable around other people it means you're a low ranked outside male
see
Please read the thread before you post.

You're wrong and in denial. You lack intimacy, simply because you fear others.

You'll have to face your fear one day... whether you like it or not.

Business interactions don't require any intimacy. So of course you're still anxious behind your (imaginary) walls.

You probably feel like you couldn't handle it if something unexpected happened. You lack experience.

This is an "evolutionary" explanation. Same lesson to learn. You need to face your fears and expose yourself, so you can grow

What does society raise people to believe?

>if you don't experience emotional hyper-arousal during a completely normal event you're a subhuman
I think it's you who's the subhuman my autistic friend.

Please read my post and see the bit about being happy to see strangers if not an omega male and ignoring them entirely if an alpha male primate. The ones who get anxious about strangers are those who are ranked so low they count as prey for children. That's not oversocialisation of the children as they are still not fully socialised; it's undersocialisation which leads to them attacking strangers. The same thing can be seen in most species: ravens hang in packs as teenagers, when as adults they stick with a mate, so even above a species level this holds true of socialisation.

>You probably feel like you couldn't handle it if something unexpected happened.
No, idiot. My body is telling me "be on the lookout, you don't know any of these people, they could do anything at any moment". That is a useful evolutionary trait to have and a perfectly rational reaction in the midst of strangers.

So what if in your specific society the incident of murder, robbery or rape is low. Doesn't change the body's reaction to hundreds of potential threats popping up. You're the one with the fucked up head, your threat perception is nonexistent. If the day ever comes when someone pulls a knife on you you'll freeze and get stabbed instead of running or trying to bite his throat. You're so oversocialised you think it's irrational to be on the lookout for danger, you're so comfortable with comfort you've forgotten what it means to be alive.

That alpha omega shit doesn't apply to humans.

Humans aren't apes, we don't live in societies dominated by an alpha who fucks all the women.

fucking based

Massive cope. Just admit you're a pathetic autist with '''social anxiety''' instead of trying to spin it into great.

Those threats only exist for those who are undersocialised. Anyone barely socialised (including children) feel few of those threats. The only natural point to have those fears as a human is when approximately three years old as it stops children who have just learnt to walk from wandering too far beyond society. After that period, once you can feed yourself consistently and put yourself to bed and poop on your own, if those fears do not dissipate, it is retardation or social and emotional processes.

>completely normal event
It's not normal, it's highly unusual.

Modern humans established themselves around 100,000 years ago, there's only been very minor changes since. Can you imagine walking through the fields in search of food and you go up over a hill and there's 100 strangers there. You'd shit yourself. It's not normal to live in a place surrouded by strangers every day of your life, it's deeply uncomfortable and unpleasant.

Humans are apes. Look.
You are correct about alpha/beta nit applying to us though.

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>undersocialised
You mean the normal state of people. You're not supposed to spend 90% of your day talking and interacting with other people, you're sick, you're oversocialised and it's turned you into a pathetic, useless goop who'd die as soon as the wi fi got turned off.

I'm not great, you're just fucked from too much socialising. You're the one who's in trouble, not me.

What a bunch of forest niggers from a 100,000 years ago considered normal doesn't concern me, I have a different standard.
>it's deeply uncomfortable and unpleasant.
Speak for yourself autismo.

>What a bunch of forest niggers from a 100,000 years ago considered normal doesn't concern me
It should, because the same blood that ran through their veins runs through yours. You are fundamentally the same human being as those people from 100,000 years ago. And that extends to all their fears and instincts.

Your oversocialisation has destroyed your threat perception, you've fucked yourself royally.

You're the idiot. You are confusing REAL DANGER with stories your anxious mind made up.

What you haven't realized is that, when real danger comes, there is no telling what will happen. You haven't realized that there's no way of escaping it. You will always be vulnerable no matter how much security you have.

So you need to face your fear, so you can learn to TRUST yourself, and through that, trust others.

If you were a solitary person with sublimated Fury, rather than a lonesome misanthropist congested with hate, you would feel contempt for subhumans, whilst also being confident in yourself in their presence, and you would possess the impulse to help, and improve, humans, and metahumans, rather than project your bitterness onto the human species.

>Humans aren't apes
We are
>we don't live in societies dominated by an alpha who fucks all the women
We live in genetic clusters where within a few generations, the genetic markers of one male will take precedence above all others. You don't need to fuck all the women for that to happen. Steven Jones (FRS) wrote many books about this. But he's just a geneticist working for the Galton Laboratory, named after one of the major proponents of studying humans as other organisms for the purpose of uncovering their genetic structure and evolution and then first to propose a ranking system in humans based in this, so what would they know, they just wrote the books on the subject.

>You're not supposed to spend 90% of your day talking and interacting with other people
People have been living in social tribes since the dawn of man, you retard.

>you would feel contempt for chimpanzees, whilst also being confident in yourself in their presence, and you would possess the impulse to help, and improve, chimpanzees, and metachimpanzees, rather than project your bitterness onto the chimpanzee species
Do you see how fucking idiotic and dangerous what you're saying is?

>You mean the normal state of people.
No, for it to be normative it would need to be the norm. For people, that is not the norm.
>You're not supposed to spend 90% of your day talking and interacting with other people
Yes, you are. Humans are happiest and live longest in small highly dependent groups with close physical and relational contact.

Not literature, go to r9k.

>People have been living in social tribes since the dawn of man
That doesn't mean spending 90% of your day running your mouth idiot. It's not a free pass to spend your life blabbering all day long about bullshit. Humans being social beings doesn't mean oversocialising is ok.

>If you accept what society raises you to believe, you will be comfortable in it. If you don't, you won't.
Okay, even if we take this premise as true (which let’s not even unpack because it’s too easy to deconstruct), it is still not the same as “>The more comfortable someone is in a public setting, the more vapid and intellectually destitute that person is.”
Why can’t a person comfortable in society question its values? There is no logical connection between being comfortable in society and accepting its values. In fact, there is a very common distinction in social psychology between public comfority and private acceptance.

Most people conform in society for personal gain, which is an intelligent thing to do. People like you, filled with resentiment and coping hard for your own failures, are more than likely retards with low social IQ an unable to gain any power/wealth because you can’t make the smart move to suck it up and do small talk with your boss. More than likely, you CANT, you’re too inept to do it and instead of admitting it you reduce your cognitive dissonance by telling yourself this narrative that you’re too smart for it, while in reality someone actually smart would realize the benefits hugely outweigh the small inconvenience of it.

>unpack
Go back tranny

>I sense I should make noise at the rate of a low ranked outside male
If only you could put this into practice, people would stop detecting your presence so easily.

You are pathetic.

This.

>Money, power and sex are intelligent pursuits
I have nothing but pity for you

But this is an excerpt from The Posts from Underground 2: Electric Boogaloo by Fyodor Anonsky

>He can't have intelligent sex
Basic genetic failure there, nom8

>That doesn't mean spending 90% of your day running your mouth idiot
Try actually reading some books. There's plenty of material on tribal socialization. If you think everyone just sat around silently all day and only spoke when necessary you're too far caught up in your own autistic fantasies.

coping

You’re assuming human behavior is static. The fact that humans have unanimously huddled together into larger and larger concentrations already proves this idea of yours (that it is “normal” to be afraid of large numbers of people) wrong.
>”society indoctrinates you to be okay with people”
Who the fuck is society if not people themsleves. And the fact we can be conditioned to be comfortabke around millions of strangers is also evidence that human nature isn’t opposed to it. If we were meant to be constantly afraid of strangers then we would. Yet we’re not, you’re the outlier here. In any scientific or statsitical paradigm, you’re the deviance. You need some huge non-empirical menatl gymnastics to reach the opposite conclusion.

Money and sex can be good pursuits but only if they are used to get something and not sought for themselves.

that's pretty dumb as far as rationalizations for neurosis go. try again

for the most part, people used to have the freewill to not associate with people if they didnt want to. this policing attitude is a contemporary hypermedia thing. of course what you do as an outcast is up to you to not be a total loon.

>Desire slave
Pity for you too

>There's plenty of material on tribal socialization
Written by people who exist thousands of years after the last real tribes existed. And no, amazon niggers are not a case study because once you contact them with modern humans you taint the experiment.

Save your pity for yourself since its clear you need it. Most of the great minds throughout history had families, established wealth and legacy for themselves from philosophers to scientists, to artists to politicians to anyone really. The few you can mention who didn’t were either religious cultists or depressed outcasts like you. From Plato to Wittgenstein, brilliant minds recognize the value of other people. The value of wealth, sex, etc. depends on its utility to achieve higher goods, but no higher good can be achieved without people. And as an animal with genes and desires it is clear that when these are not met you suffer in some primordial way. Look at the OP and yourself, you’re sad, afraid, resentful, if only you stepped outside of yourself and realize the great value there is for you in others. Look at you now, posting a social media forum, why would you do it if you didnt have a need for socialization. Stop coping, accept it and grow. “Love thy neighbor” is the most radical human act there is.

>The fact that humans have unanimously huddled together into larger and larger concentrations already proves this idea of yours (that it is “normal” to be afraid of large numbers of people) wrong
No, it doesn't.

No one ever sat down and had a discussion. People were forced into it, then their children were born knowing nothing else. If you put a chimpanzee in a cage with gorillas and the gorillas raise it as a gorilla, it doesn't make the chimp a gorilla.

>he thinks he’s free of desire
Are you really this retarded.

Predictable response

Not desire slave. But tool user, not using the tools easily available to you you to achieve your ends is simply wasteful.

All humans have a desire, difference is you're a slave to it and chase unfulfilling things like power, wealth and sex while I manage it and subdue it as best I can

>But tool user
The tools use you, pitiable creature.

>No one ever sat down and had a discussion.
And hunter-gatherer tribes did? Idiot.

>People were forced into it, then their children were born knowing nothing else.
And this is different from the state of nature how?

>If you put a chimpanzee in a cage with gorillas and the gorillas raise it as a gorilla, it doesn't make the chimp a gorilla.
False analogy. Society all happened within the species on its own accord with no outside intervention.

What defines a chimp’s nature? If chimps evolved to use their feet to break nuts and one day one of them starts using rocks to do it and then suddenly they all start doing it, it is then well within their behavior to learn to use rocks and it is as much part of their nature as using their feet.
If it was contrary to our nature to live in society it would be a patent absurdity that we can. Yet here we are and only a few outliers complain. In every logical way, materially, cognitively, physically, living in society is an improvement. You have to be pull some cultish shit to contradict that.

This thread is proof OP is right and lit really is just 99% pseud retards who only read to larp as intellectuals.

If you left them alone in a shed in Alaska with the collected works of the finest writers of human history, they'd sit there crying the whole time that girls aren't there to see how cool they are.

“What is virtue to some is as vice for others.”
I dont have to convince you, but search within yourself and ask yourself if you’re really not a resentful virgin.
The statsitics and the facts indicate that you are. You’re genes are screaming at you to procreate and you can’t because you’re to socially indept.
>while I manage it and subdue it as best I can
You’re clearly suppressing it, which is why you’re so bitter.

>If it was contrary to our nature to live in society it would be a patent absurdity that we can

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Classic projection. Just wait, one day, by mere chance, a girl may pay you attention for once and you’re squirm in your pants and like you’ve never had. You’ve made walls for yourself to cope with some ineptitude of yours abd have convinced yourself that the greatest good of Man, which is to be with others and ascend together, is bad somehow even though all the empirical signs tell you obviously otherwise.

>Virtue is dragging an innocent soul into a horrible existence because you're selfish and want your pathetic waste of life to feel like it meant something, like you accomplished something because "wahhh fuck you I do what I want you're not my mom"

>Zapffe
>”The few you can mention who didn’t were either religious cultists or depressed outcasts like you. ”
I love being right

>the greatest good of Man, which is to be with others and ascend together
You think that's what you're doing? In this modern world? You really are deluded.

hilarious to see you twinks try to talk to each other.
id really suggest you stick to your playing fields, i.e. asking if something is based or cringe and ordering books which look good on your shelves.

>Only popular opinions everyone agrees with have any weight
Please stop posting, it's pathetic

>”my existence is horrible therefore everyone else’s must be too”
Anti-natalists are religious zealots with no arguments based in facts, nothing but emotive dissonance.
My existence is good. My life is good and so are the lives of most humans. Why can’t you admit that you’re the one with the problem and not literally everybody else.

The modern world has its faults, no one is denying that. I sure as hell am not.

>The modern world has its faults
No, it's one giant fault. The negatives outweigh the positives so much it's a wonder it all keeps running.

You don't interact with those people at work at an intimate level, so it doesn't contribute towards making you socially experienced.

Your post reeks of hypersensitivity. Engaging with other human beings shouldn't be viewed as "my threat perception has been beaten into submission by oversocialization." These are the words of someone with PTSD, aka someone who has become so hypersensitive that they have become mentally ill for it.

>Anti-natalists are religious zealots with no arguments based in facts
You can't name a single good reason for procreating. It's a purely selfish, egotistical act from a creature with the consciousness to know better than slavery to genetics. You have the urge to breed, fine, but you have the mind to know it's wrong.

I never seen a hammer grab me to nail down something but ok pseud.

>I never seen a hammer grab me to nail down something
It's called a job

There is something to be said about the detriment of over-socialization, particularly so in early infancy. Look up Dunbar's number ( there exists an upper limit to the number of human relations the human brain can meaningfully manage and even memorize in the first place), which is imo a testament to the absolute overwhelming ubiquity of tribal forms of society throughout human existence. I think Hölderlin Said it best in 'Hyperion', pic related. Can't be bothered to translate the entire thing, but the lower marked-down paragraph roughly bespeaks the following, albeit in a much more poetic fashion than I am capable of translating: 'Let the human being (i.e. the children you raise) only late in his infancy know of the existence of others humans, of even anything outside himself. Do not let his undifferentiated flower bud bloom too early, before it has consolidated in its inner self. Only thus a full fledged human has the chance to form'

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>The negatives outweigh the positives
Again nothing but emotion to back this up.

>You can't name a single good reason for procreating. It's a purely selfish, egotistical act
All acts are egotistical in some way, user. There are no purely egalitarian acts

>from a creature with the consciousness to know better than slavery to genetics
How is this slavery? I am free to indukge in it? To experience it, to discover my destiny. Just because we know it’s all determined, doesnt change that we experience it as our will.

>You have the urge to breed, fine, but you have the mind to know it's wrong.
Again, why is it wrong? My life is good, and I would do my best to make sure my children’s lives are good. You continue to project your own suffering unto others.

>if you have an interest in ruling over the world youre a dumb idiot retard
thanks for reminding me why I shouldnt touch this board

>Hölderlin
>literal schizophrenic
Guy wrote beautifully but again I keep being proved right.

I'm generally anti-natalist but if the subject's at least 8/10 with no genetic diseases/mental illness & is genuinely content with life (i.e., trembling with joy to be living and thanking their parents every morning), and so is the partner, I'd say go ahead.

>Who the fuck is society if not people themsleves.

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You're kinda right but very misguided. I will elaborate once I'm home. I'm unironically riding the parisian subway and your picture is my current perspective.

Your first paragraph highlights the beauty of kaczynski's works exquisitely.

Lol what if dementia is just one big cope to deal with modernity by not being able to think about it for too long.

BASED

>You can't name a single good reason for procreating.
Power.

>emotive meme posting instead of an argument
Like clockwork

I said GOOD REASON

>If we were meant to be constantly afraid of strangers then we would. Yet we’re not, you’re the outlier here. In any scientific or statsitical paradigm, you’re the deviance.
FUCKING NORMIES
GET OUT
GET THE FUCK OUTTA MY FOUR CHAN RĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒĒ

There are no GOOD reasons for anything retard.

All you retards need to read Spinoza already or fuck a hooker. I swear if i ever meet one of you outside im publicly humilating you. I bet you’re all stuttering pasty twinks.

There isn't a better reason than that, faggot. Power is life.

too young for this board, please lurk more

But society IS neurosis lol. Have you even read freud? The OP is superficially 100% correct

holy shit lol

lmao just shut the fuck up you cringelord

>There are no GOOD reasons for anything retard.
There are, but that contradicts your selfish, hedonistic manchild life so you pretend it isn't true.

Come on, like I'm supposed to ignore this gem of a statement. I'm sorry but that's weak as hell. You're confounding an abstract entity (society) with the total of singular people themselves, and those again with a single individual affected by the rest of them. It should be clear that a) single individuals regularly suffer from majority decisions, standards etc. in the name of 'the greater good', and b) societies often exist to perpetuate themselves, and not at all to benefit some individual, or even groups of people. Colloquially referred to as 'the system'.

Not an argument, buggo

OP isn't 99% of Yea Forums

Sick burn...

Incel

It’s called reason, which you obviously lack. Read Hume and stip being a depressed pseud.

>anti/nataliat calling others bugs
Ironic

And precisely because of its anstract nature it is used to refer to a multitude of things no grounded in facts. “The system” is notoriously a buzzword. Who’s raising who? Who tells you what to do? Who do you interact with? Abstract entities or people? Retard

So you're a weirdo freak, gotcha. Kys

Why would you be uncomfortable around rocks? Uncomfortable around fish? Around dogs? Around subhumans? Around humans? Their actions are as inane as a thrown rock falling back to the ground.
Midwit.

Normie out.

I do feel like people who require constant interaction with other humans are very insecure in a way.
Not that introverts can’t be insecure too

>Other people are historically dangerous, so we shouldn't let our guard down around any strangers.
That makes sense, however, I'm comfortable around everyone because I'm not a pussy.

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This is obviously bait but if it made you upset it has some truth.

There's nothing objectively false about the OP's post.

It's the natural outcome of modernity. Sure, you can call someone weird or an incel for being uncomfortable or criticizing it, but it just makes you come off as equally insecure imo.

actual autism