Who should I study, Crowley or Guenon?

I had that same nagging thought which is why I looked into him in the first place. It still persists to a certain extent, but then I just remember all the dumb shit I read in Tears, and it generally goes away. As a person, I admire his boldness and sense of adventure, but his ideas appear rather vapid when subjected to examination.

His gematria stuff is so stupid lmao. He literally went around calculating the numeric value for everything he encountered, like if he saw a horse on the street he would calculate the value of horse and extrapolate all kinds of shit from that. He encourages people to do this in Tears.
That's pseudo-occultism at its finest.

To use a literature anology Crowley is the John Green to Guenon's Cervantes

What did they think of each other?

Guenon thought Crowley was literally Adolf Hitler's personal adviser lol, which is why I said not to become a Guenon cultist, he should also be held at arm's length from time to time.
Kek that's not fair to Crowley, he had very good prose and poetry. Even G.K. Chesterton admitted Crowley was a talented poet

Boring

Why not read Gurdjieff, he was cool

This has to be bait. Why the fuck would you want to read crowley. He's a charlatan.

No. Gurdjieff was a moron.

There is only one teacher. Jesus of Nazareth.

He definitely wasn't a charlatan, but as I mentioned he lacked rigor and had some really stupid ideas/practices.

I've read him. He was a very confused reactionary against the Church. That already sets him in a category of unthinking lame-os. His bad poetry and creepy sex cult and himself as a master of his own order confirms he was never about truth, hidden or otherwise.

Guenon is so smart he’s either heaven sent or hell spawn. Same phenomenon as Nietzsche (although replace ‘heaven’ with some far off ubermenschen paradise).

I disagree, but ok. Your mention of the Church suggests you are probably a Catholic exclusivist, right? So you aren't a traditionalist in the Guenon sense?

I haven't read Guenon. And while I do believe that Jesus was God and the Word incarnate, and baptism in the Church is the gate to salvation, I also believe that other beliefs - false or not - ultimately do lead to God by a longer, more difficult path. He is the beginning and the end of all things.

k lol

If Crowley wasn't an outright charlatan, he was sort of a turbo-dilettante. For Entertainment Purposes Only.

I think Guenon was ultimately misled but he was at least a more rigorous thinker.

>t. Doesn't know about aristotle's four causes

>turbo-dilettante
That's not a bad way of putting it. I also think he was basically deluded, which leads me to feel sorry for him. but he did have some admirable qualities too

non sequitur much?

That you think this is a non sequitur only proves your ignorance. Look it up, then reread my last sentence you lol'd at. You're welcome. Good night.

lol nigger i know the four causes, that's like babby's first philosophy. i was lolling at how out of place you are in a thread about crowley and guenon

this, so much this

Guenon. Crowley is basically down syndrome Lovecraft who takes his nonsense seriously.

but a lot of it was serious. if you don't believe it's possible to summon entities and whatnot you better throw your copies of guenon in the trash as well