Books that discuss laziness and boredom as virtues...

Cioran, Pessoa

The idea is that the envy/laziness are not in themselves good, even if they can lead to good things on rare occasions.

My point is that it's easy to point the finger and call misunderstood types of activity, e.g. meditation or prayer, as lazy because one has a restricted notion of "activity."

Boredom, on the other hand... Nothing wrong with that unless you're a teenager! Proust is probably the best promoter of a beautiful kind of boredom.

Lmao
Then move to some primitive tribal society retard

non sequitur, try again

And don't forget to stop using the IPhone daddy bought you

anything by bukowski

tfw my boss told me unless im on time for the next two weeks he'll have to let me go. I was 5 hours late yesterday lmao. 5 fucking hours. today only 2 hours late

I'm not even the same user, one more chance

>he hasn't taken the Leviathan pill

OP, Against His-Story, Against Leviathan by Fredy Perlman

Lol humans didn't evolve in the Sahara you troglodyte. Please stop retroactively projecting the misery of the American work week into the past, it's pure propaganda

>Human evolution is encouraged in conditions of scarcity and competition.

That must be why there are so many well-developed, balanced individuals coming up out of hard-scrabble lives. And why our prison recidivism rates are so low (they're not).

The problem isn't that people work too hard. Work and activity are inevitable and good.

The problem is that our world recognizes too narrow of a scope of activity, and relegates everyone else to poverty and shame, branded lazy.

the conditions have to be stable for generations, and welfare makes any selection towards self-reliance in those areas impossible. Not to mention birth control is generally used more by smarter people, the whole situation is quite dysgenic.

The smartest people on earth, western europeans, and east asians, both evolved in a climate where you had to prepare for the winter by stocking food you grew during the warmer seasons. If you live in the actual arctic then you can never grow food so you just live hunter gatherer style and this foresight isn't needed. Same for the places that never get too cold. There are also little ethnicities like Ashkenazi Jews and the Jain in india, who appear to have become intelligent by actually being selected for because of social conditions, Jews were doing basically just business and banking and the like in Europe for 1000 years, and the Jain are thought to have occupied a similar role, where fertility was related to wealth, and wealth was related to jobs requring higher iq.

This is just speculative theory obviously, you can't run experiments on this stuff.

Legitimate question: how could someone who espouses laziness write an entire book?

They could have stopped being lazy.

Walter Benjamin wrote about boredom and the flaneur (which is dead now)
these are great

As established earlier in this thread, certain types of effort/work are not recognized as legitimate and thus lazy.

A person with a reputation for laziness may reveal an immense capacity for work, but work which is overlooked.

Such a person may publish a book or construct an elaborate edifice in private.

>The smartest people on earth, Europe and and east asians [...] You lost me there.

Monesquieu supported a theory similar to what you laid out, describing social structure as affected by climate:

Cold climates foster calculation and planning. At their best, they produce justice. At their worst, they breed dehumanization and anarchy.

Warm climates foster social solidarity and kindness. At best, they produce pure-hearted morality. At their worst, they breed anarchy or corruption.

None of this concerns intelligence. We're talking about fundamentally different ways of life, each with perks and drawbacks. Try going from Minnesota to Alabama (USA) some time. You'll see what I mean.

I wasn't talking about culture though, but shit like IQ and time preference, which are supposed to be genetic. I added at the end that im not 100% on the theory because nothing about evolutionary logic can really be studied except in very quickly reproducing species like flies. We obviously can't do that to humans.

I was just explaining what the idea is, and when I said the smartest populations, I mean based on iq tests and the basic sophistication of the civilizations, which I know are not rigorous science, and massively impacted by historical factors, as all of the social sciences are. IQ does have a lot of good research though, so it shouldn't just be discarded.

Read anti-work literature, as well as some Kierkegaard

>anti-work literature
like?
>as well as some Kierkegaard
why?

>IQ should not be discarded as a criterion for intelligence

Why? What I have seen suggests that IQ is good for predicting instrumental reasoning only and has no relation to things like moral intelligence, emotional intelligence, or, God forbid, wisdom.

>Anti-work literature
There isn't much of this out there. Perhaps the closest you'll find is discordian/subgenius stuff, which you can Google. There are also specific theorists like Bob Black. I can't really reccommend any of that stuff though, because I haven't read much of it.

>Anti-exploitative work literature
Marx

>Kierkegaard
Because Jeebus save yer soul if you but have faith and discard foolish, vain, manmade reason!

It really isn’t, 50% infant mortality for one (if we go by present day niggers), if you had a decent grasp of mathematics you’d understand that small populations suffer would massive growing pains and indeed we went through many phases of starvation to get here

>Why? What I have seen suggests that IQ is good for predicting instrumental reasoning only and has no relation to things like moral intelligence, emotional intelligence, or, God forbid, wisdom.
I would agree with that. But it does allow people to function in more productive ways, the correlations are pretty strong. It's certainly just one aspect of the question, but it's the only one in psychology with that much research that backs it up.

I dont think we know fuck all about the brain really, and IQ is a very crude metric, it just seems to have some predictive power, so it matters imo.

How to be Idle.

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>IQ allows people to function in more productive ways.

But now we're far off the original topic, which was whether it is possible to conceive of an advanced or advancing civilization made up of people who are called lazy (unproductive) today.

People who are called lazy today are not productive in a recognizable way. But the burning question is this: is it possible to live and NOT produce? In the past, production was mostly focused on survival. Today, we have a great amount of production oriented exclusively towards producing more riches. How much industry is related to profit, and how much to basic needs? By the standards of yesteryear, an executive working 80 hours a week would be considered lazy because the work is not even remotely related to survival.

It seems that at some point, there will be more room (there is already a small amount) to recognize productivity beyond subsistence/survival, profiteering, and meta-profiteering, but that world is getting harder and harder to imagine.

user i half get what you're saying, the dichotomy between working for survival and working for producing shit. Could you maybe take a moment to make it more clear, because I dont quite get what you mean, i think we just have different backgrounds of thought so it's not intuitively clear.

What is considered productive shifts over time. With civilization comes a notion that there is valuable production that is only loosely related to survival. The issue today seems to be that people can't agree on what this kind of intangible production consists of. So they've reached a kind of stalemate and decided that it must mean producing production. Ever notice all the sanctimonious "job-creators" running around these days? Everyone's doing work so that someone else can work, so that someone else can work.

But it's not clear where the real production is happening, or why there are certain kinds of production that aren't valuable. Some people would claim that it's just healthy market forces, but if that's true they are extremely arbitrary.

well you can analyze it in terms of energy, or even more simplistically, power. Work that creates greater sources of energy, or work that creates more power(that encompasses energy, but also stuff like technology and science which find new ways to harness energy and relate various things to each other in ways that promote greater control of energy, greater ability, power).

That has to kind of run it at heart, because it will dominate anything that doesn't go along with it, by definition.

That's the name of the book.

The new version looks a lot better OP.

Excuse me?

kierkegaard talks about this at some point in either/or

This

anything by Zhuangzi

Bump

You are now excused?

Walden
Walden Two
Leisure, the Basis of Culture
The Theory of the Leisure Class

There's one, but it's really obscure and extremely massive so you might be daunted at first. It brings a lot of perspectives from all kinds of different people and concentrates it into one, big read. The book is hard or easy to navigate depending on how you like to read. It's online only, because as a physical book it would be too massive. I think it was called Reddit, or something? The second book is just as big, and it's called Tumblr, for sure.

reddit and tumblr are wagecuck sites are you retarded?

Yea Forums is not Yea Forums you mongoloid

They're filled with manchildren and feminists who excuse every fault you could ever find. They're the definition of settling with the worst you, which is what OP wants.

Smooth brain.

What are you even talking about to him?

>And why our prison recidivism rates are so low (they're not).
That is due to evolution, or rather a lack of it. However, if I were to elaborate, your effeminate sensibilities may be offended...

Yea until the romans came and raped your wife if you didn't work all day and give them your wheat

>is it possible to live and NOT produce?
Of course, if all you do is consume (TV, weed, food) by living off your parents.

Production consists of finding people who have money, and giving them something they want in exchange for it.
Whether that is entertainment, goods, services, etc
It's just helping people save time (be more productive) by cooking them a meal or selling them a calculator, or helping them be happy (by taking your clothes off on the internet or making music/tv/lit that they enjoy)
In theory if no one is buying your art, no one likes it, so you're being unproductive.

What's fucked it up is the digitization of media. Anyone can own a copy of your art without having to pay for anything. So even though you're being productive, you're getting shafted
See public goods in this edge.org/response-detail/26756

You could check out Byung-Chul Han. He's a German philosopher.

His essential schtick is that we've moved from a disciplinary society (you SHOULD) to a new formation where the disciplining master has been internalized, so the exploited slave no longer recognizes it's existence and becomes a self-alienating, self-exploiting subject (you CAN). That obviously would satisfy your "fetishization with productivity" clause extremely well.

He also believes we've lost our negativity (in a more philosophical sense), in our ability to say no; he associates this with ADHD for example, the inability to say no to stimuli, to craving; it's drowning in an excess of positive; 'you can do anything' (which is a sneaky form of you should do everything).

From the Burnout Society:
>Since it also has a low tolerance for boredom, it does not admit the profound idleness that benefits the creative process. Walter Benjamin calls this deep boredom a “dream bird that hatches the egg of experience.” If sleep represents the high point of bodily relaxation, deep boredom is the peak of mental relaxation.

>Byung-Chul Han
>German
Hul?

Erasmus In Praise of Folly

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This

second this

Lafargue, Bob Black, Bataille, Baudrillard, early Land, Berardi

When will you take the blackpill and realize that work or no work, you weren't mean to be happy and happiness is just a temporary response to a stimuli in order to incentivize a specific behaviour

This is all what you need op

Why do continentals make everything gay

Just say that it's repeated dopamine release that has conditioned people into believing in instant gratification exclusively... you don't need to make it this gay

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Move to Mars technofaggot.

Dumb parasite. Nothing compares to working a week of 12 hour shifts then going home and slipping into bed and spending your first day off recovering with aching muscles and joints

There is no bigger pleasure.

When you have nothing to do apart from laze around, it's infinitely boring. It only feels good when you struggle for it. Humans are fundamentally built to struggle

based

Kek you don't need to work for shlomo to do this retard

based jouissance-of-an-English-miner-poster

Boredom creates philosophy and great art.

Epic

how do you make a living being lazy

FINALLY someone recommends Leisure, The Basis Of Culture. It's literally exactly what OP needs to read.

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fpbp

why are there brain dead boomers on this site?

The Abolition of Work, Bob Black
The Right to be Lazy, Paul LaFargue
In Praise of Idleness, Bertrand Russell
The Refusal of Work, Frayne

Fiction:
Anything by Albert Cossery
Oblomov

Also the other books I said.

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are right
the 'Tao Te Ching' is a top tier rec, adding 'One Straw Revolution' for extra emphasis on work that is worthwhile, fulfilling, and able to be narrowed to critical periods of moderate effort while leaving the rest of the year for idleness or play. "Do-Nothing Farming", he calls it. Ivan Illich has some of the best practical writing on these subjects: 'Tools for Conviviality' and 'Deschooling Society'. Also maybe try David Graeber's 'Bullshit Jobs'

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