K Yea Forums, need some help over here

K Yea Forums, need some help over here.
I'm a psychologist and long story short i have this patient who is very smart but also addicted to weed and in the verge of a psychosis.
Complete Narcissistic, only one in his family who doesn't suffer from
schizophrenia and shit.
Anyways, he reads a lot, things like The Iliad, The dairy of Ana Frank and Man's Search for Meaning and i need to get him books like those that also make him think about himself, understand his place in this world and made him feel vulnerable and human, i know Yea Forums has some fucked up individuals but also some pretty smart ones, so, can you guys recommend me any literature to show him?
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ignore the part about Yea Forums lol

Are you really a psychologist lol. Maybe recommend some Simone Weil books like

Lol, yes, why the question?

Fucking psychologists trying to mechanise spiritual problems with "studies" and "empiricism". Fuck off with your little diagnosis of narcisism. Treat them like men instead of "subjects". The fact that you go here for help shows you are totally unsuited to the profession. Read every book Jung ever wrote, then you may have some hope.

I'm still studying to be a psychatrist, but OP I would seriously recommended reading "Eastern Body Western Mind" if you read it with an open mind and take it with a grain of salt it'll help you immensely in your work.

As for your client I'd recommend "The Denial of Death" by Ernest Becker, that will give him a good slap of reality.

I'm not going to go in to detail but I can relate to your patient, I just had my last joint today as part of a 40-day sobriety challenge since I realized I'm smoking too much, and in addition to that, I did sort of experience a brief psychotic episode while under the influence earlier this year.

I haven't read this book myself yet, I only discovered it yesterday and it is the next book I'm reading, but it might be just the thing you are looking for, pic related. I found this book while looking for more info on the Self Authoring Suite offered by Jordan Peterson, and I believe it would be worthwhile to check it out as well even though I haven't signed up myself yet, but I can say is that the SAS was based on or influenced by this book.

Another thing you can look at could be Sybervision's "The Neuropsychology of Self-Discipline", but only as supplementation as it isn't aimed at mental health patients, but it is in the same veign as it does also have section similar in nature to self-authoring and in general helps understand one's own mind better.

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here again, just some added notes:

>understand his place in this world and made him feel vulnerable and human
While it is important for the patient to realize his vulnerability, if you really give a shit you will keep in mind that expressing vulnerability is poison for masculinity. I have to share some of the sentiments expressed in , but I do disagree with some others. It is important to remember that the DSM-V is descriptive, not prescriptive, and that there are political and economic factors that possibly skew objectivity, such as the somewhat dubious history of the classification and treatment of ADD/ADHD.

The whole modern thing where making yourself vulnerable in public is incredibly toxic and dangerous for men. The psychosis I spoke of was to a very large degree caused by making myself vulnerable and then having people take advantage of that. In addition, men just hate doing it, and for good reason, men have to strong to make up for the vulnerability in women and children, so encouraging weakness in them is only making them behave against their nature, which is ripe for the development of a disturbed sense of self.

This is why I advocate journaling, it is about the only place for a man to risk being vulnerable without having someone else screw them over.

And to be perfectly honest, if all psychologists/therapists/psychiatrists advocated journaling, many would have a hard time finding work, because a large chunk of "mental health" problem people face today can be solved with nothing more than a pen and paper.

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There's a difference between expressing vulnerability in a healthy way and making yourself vulnerable before others. In fact becoming more aware of your own vulnerabilities should ideally make you less vulnerable to having them exploited by other people. In the That said in the Homeric age crying and making a scene of your grievances was considered peak masculinity.

How do you express vulnerability in a healthy way then?

>That said in the Homeric age crying and making a scene of your grievances was considered peak masculinity.
Source?

The road
Old man and the sea
Call of the wild
Storm of steel
Crime and punishment but only if you want your head smashed in by an axe
If you want to push him over the edge of his inevitable break down recommend him Thus spoke Z

If he's honestly schizo then let him break down and then send him to a psych ward. He needs pills not words.

If he is narcissistic too then that sucks. Narcissistic alone is even worse. I am schizo(affective) and I hate all that cluster b bullshit. Fake ass people. Unfortunately, no pills to stop shitty people from being shitty.


I suggest:
Eden Express
Valis
An Unquiet Mind
Brain on Fire
The Center Will Not Hold
Collected Schizophrenias
I'm not sick, I don't need help

Bro what are you even doing. Its obvious from your post you're Larping as the psychologist and you're the actual patient you're talking about. Drop the damn weed, you don't need books. You don't need other reasons, you need to hit true rock bottom. You need to realize you have to choose between a positive future and weed, but really realize it and take this catharsis seriously. Also, actually go to a behavioral psychologist (CBT) as you're actual issue is weed addiction used as a cope for issues in your life, so you have to both get rid of the addiction AND fix your other shit.
>t. actual psychfag

>addicted to weed
Kek

Umm the Iliad and odyssey

It is quite a stretch to assume that those works speaks for the virtues and values of all of Greece during that time and that those virtues and values expressed aren't just the author's personal ones.

Infinite Jest and Tristram Shandy

Reality imitates art. And remember it wasn't only Homer singing these poems, they are part of a long oral tradition. It's unlikely that the virtues in the poem aren't close to those of the time; if they weren't it isn't likely they would have been so popular.
In any case they are the only writings we have from the time.

>addicted to weed, a causer of latent schizophrenia
>only one in family who didn’t get heritable schizophrenia
We should run tests on this guys brain

here again

I agree with everything says but I will mention OP doesn't strictly speaking need to see a therapist since I'm proof that one can manage to get by with just a journal and determination, but I guess I would recommend it for others since not everyone is as anti-authoritarian as me with enough autism to pour over psych literature and articles to figure out what therapists do, at least when it comes to my particular complex of conditions, which as I said, overlaps a fair bit with OP's.

I actually managed to discover and apply two of the techniques used in Dialectic Behavior Therapy(KISS and REST) without having researched that yet, so when I did eventually get to that it only reaffirmed I was on the right track.

I will strongly agree though that cannabis is a coping mechanism, and that is exactly why I decided to stop. The past few months I have been smoking a lot and have been more or less completely unproductive towards improving my situation in life, and I can't deny the sedative and complacent effect cannabis has. But now that I'm sobering up those last few issues are cropping up, so now I can't run away from dealing with them anymore, which is what I'm doing now when not shitposting.

With that said, it is dangerous to do what I did, but it can also dangerous to see a therapist since some are shitty and can do more harm than good, and people in psychologically vulnerable states aren't in the best shape to discern this. Another important factor was that didn't have any obligations like like so I had the time and space to sort through my shit over a period of many months. If you don't have that, then yeah, you might need guidance. Personally I don't trust them because I was misdiagnosed as a child with ADD and put on Ritalin between the ages of 2 and 4 which fucked with my brain and development and caused a bunch of problem down the line in life due to not having been able to socialize properly.

Regardless whether you see a therapist or not, keep a journal. That puts the process of recovery in your own hands and gives you ownership over yourself and your destiny on a level no therapist can ever provide. Also this advice only goes for problems with regulating emotions and one's sense of self(such as Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Complex PTSD), which covers a fair number of conditions many people today have, but I believe would not be nearly as helpful for other conditions like AD(H)D, Schizohprenia or Bipolar.

Also with a final disclaimer I should once again emphasize I'm not a trained psychfag and my research only covered what was immediately relevant to my particular case, while I stand by what I say I have to admit I can't back up my position with the academic rigor required to remove all bias from my personal experience.

t. crazy dumbass who opted for journaling instead of therapy while slipping in to psychosis despite the world saying otherwise but made it out fine

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>I actually managed to discover and apply two of the techniques used in Dialectic Behavior Therapy(KISS and REST)
Those should be GIVE and FAST, got a bit of a brainderp mixup with programming abbreviations.

Infinite Jest unironically

>Reality imitates art.
If reality imitates art then the reality before the art is not what the art presents to be imitated. Hence, valuing being a whiny man in public is a social construct and does not reflect the true nature of masculinity, as that sense of masculinity is artificial.

>And remember it wasn't only Homer singing these poems, they are part of a long oral tradition. It's unlikely that the virtues in the poem aren't close to those of the time; if they weren't it isn't likely they would have been so popular.
I disagree, what is popular would be what is novel or rarely seen, such as a man crying in public, not what is everyday and mundane, such as a man not crying in public. Popularity in terms of entertainment does not reflect values. Many people watch horror movies today but don't value actual violent acts of gore.

>In any case they are the only writings we have from the time.
And we don't know the thoughts of the majority of plebs who couldn't read or write, just the thoughts of the upper class who's writings were lucky enough to survive.

I don't think you can say anything with certainty about the values of masculinity from that time without more than just those two works, especially since they are works of art. One should also take in to account that the way people's expressions in art are handled by authors is very different from how people express themselves in day to day interactions. Art needs to entertain, captivate, moralize, and it doesn't let reality get in the way of that, otherwise it would make for very unpopular art.

Consider Homer’s Iliad, in which the entire Greek army bursts into unanimous tears no less than three times. King Priam not only cries but tears his hair and grovels in the dirt for woe. Zeus weeps tears of blood, and even the immortal horses of Achilles cry buckets at the death of Patroklos. Of course, we can’t regard the Iliad as a faithful account of historical events, but there’s no question that ancient Greeks saw it as a model for how heroic men should behave.

This exaltation of male weeping continued into the Middle Ages, where it appears in historical records, as well as fictional accounts. In chronicles of the period, we find one ambassador repeatedly bursting into tears when addressing Philip the Good, and the entire audience at a peace congress throwing themselves on the ground, sobbing and groaning as they listen to the speeches. In the 11th-century French epic The Song of Roland, the poet describes this reaction to the death of the eponymous hero: ‘The lords of France are weeping bitter tears,/ And 20,000 faint in their grief and fall.’ We can be pretty sure this didn’t happen as described, but it’s still remarkable that 20,000 knights swooning from grief were considered noble, not ridiculous.

Furthermore, the sobbing male hero wasn’t only a Western phenomenon; he appears in Japanese epics as well. In The Tale of Heike, which is often cited as a source for the ideal behaviour of a samurai, we find men crying demonstratively at every turn. Here’s a typical response to the death of a commander-in-chief: ‘Of all who heard, friend or foe, not one but wept until his sleeves were drenched.’

Some might object that these are all public, ceremonial expressions of grief. Men might cry in this ritual manner over weighty issues of death, war and politics, but surely personal tears of love and frustration were still confined to women?
In a word, no. In medieval romances, we find innumerable instance of knights crying purely because they miss their girlfriends. In Chrétien de Troyes’ The Knight of the Cart, no less a hero than Lancelot weeps at a brief separation from Guinevere. At another point, he cries on a lady’s shoulder at the thought that he won’t get to go to a big tournament. What’s more, instead of being disgusted by this snivelling, she’s moved to help, and Lancelot gets to go to the tournament after all. The knights of King Arthur, King Mark, King Everyone are routinely reduced to tears every time they’re told a heart-wrenching story. It’s hard to think of any niche situations in which tears might exclusively still be the province of women.

Still more remarkably, theres no mention of the men in these stories trying to restrain or hide their tears. No one pretends to have something in his eye. No one makes an excuse to leave the room. They cry in a crowded hall with their heads held high. Nor do their companions make fun of this public blubbing; its universally regarded as admirable

weed is the only safe reprieve schizos have from their regularly fucked up heads

When the body says no by Gabor Mate. Or any other book of his. He deals with trauma and addictions.

weed literally puts you in an alternate state of thinking. this makes some people actually go nuts and makes others fix the thought processes that previously made them nuts. it's one of the most unpredictable treatments for mental illnesses next to acid. can help some immeasurably and hurt others immeasurably

I should mention for most people it does none of this.
but for people on the edge of serious mental problems it can give you a push one way or the other. ops story doesn't surprise me at all.

If you want him to recover, Marcus Aurelius
If you want him to escape, Culadasa

>Some might object that these are all public, ceremonial expressions of grief.
That is exactly what I'm going to object to. Imagine you give someone a knife, and then turn your back to them. You are vulnerable. All these men mentioned are not crying because they were stabbed in the back after making themselves vulnerable. They are crying because someone else got stabbed.

You are missing the point entirely. Expressing emotion is not the same as expressing vulnerability, although they can overlap.

And just to add to what I mean by vulnerability, from my own experience:

I had a friend who owed me money but couldn't pay, which put me in a tough spot since I relied on that money to put food on the table. When I went to my family for help they used it as a way to try and manipulate me to do things they wanted me to do or they wouldn't help me.

So I sucked it up and went my own way. This is not the same as some mythic figures fagging out for the sake of drama.

You mean you're addicted to weed and going mental and think you're actually super smart and want to read some books to feel smarter?

The absolute state of policemen in white coats.

How about Acts of the Apostles?

OK, I think we are talking about different things then