What book do I read to accept my place as a subhuman male?

30% don't

>She is also wrong historically, roughly all men and women did get laid
That’s where you’re wrong bucko. 80% of women through history managed to reproduce, while only 40% of men reproduced.

this. Only during the golden age of the family did almost all men get laid, before and after that it's been hell unless you were a chad or rich

She's right, but in her conception of reality women are simply reproductive outlets for men, and power men are tyrants

yeah, and not only that, but after their prime child-bearing years it would make sense to just kill them off

We've been living in an incelocracy since the invention of socially enforced monogamy.

>Nowadays, mostly all men do get laid as well.
And she's the naive one? my sides

The grauniad

>I saw a graph!
And how do you manage to quantify such things ? Which methodology was used ? What was the sample ? Stop being data cucks

Schopenhauer never made similar claims.
And her argument is just a naturalistic fallacy, which would justify murder, rape and theft.
If on the other hand she wants to use a historical justification then the enslavement of women was also a common practice.
She just has a deep emotional hatred towards ugly men.

Ugly people do have sex user. And it may not fulfill your tv show fantasy of one-new-hot-chick-every-week but most men do get laid from time to time. If you, and the people in your internet echo chamber are not part of the "mostly all", that does not mean that everyone is on the same boat

Something like on out of 17 men reproduced during the agricultural revolution, they probably had enormous harems, i guess she just wants to be one of the sexual slaves of a strong man.

Not him, but adult male virginity is at an all-time high, and men are having less sex than before. 1/3 of men under 30 haven't had sex in the past year, according to the Washington Post

That statistic was about having sex in the last year, not in the entire lifetime, most men aren't incels.

You don't think that it's true? Where do you live? Must be extremely conservative place because in liberal environments where sexual liberty is taken to its extreme, 30% is just the beginning.

but you would be a literal God in third world countries

and not having had sex in the past year is pretty much in every case involuntary making all those men incels

Incel isn't synonymous with virgin, it just means being unable to have sex despite wanting to

If you can't have sex for a whole year in your adult life you're at least borderline incel. Think of all the women you've met in the last year who haven't had sex with you. Those are all implicit rejections. Many of them have good reasons behind them but the others are pure rejection.

irrelevant. asexuality is the only thing that would cause a man to not want sex, and it is literally a meme sexuality

No you pussy ass faggot, those guys didn't have sex in the last year but unlike you they aren't virgins.
Go out, get drunk in a bar and fuck some milf pussy for the love of god before your virginity destroys walhat remains of your brain and sanity.

As pointed out by other Anons, there is statistical evidence men are getting less and less sex. But I guess I'm the one living in an echo chamber.

fuck you

What do you have to say to the guys on the incel forums who approach hundreds of women and get zero positive responses?

In that study the didn't report that they were actually actively searching for sex and didn't manage to get it.
These guys probably just have other things in life to worry about such as career or education and since they were not in a relationship and they weren't searching for hook ups they did have sex for a year.
You are trying to manipulate it in order to imply that a large section of the male population is exactly as pathetic as you but that isn't the case.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKIN JANNIES??? FUCKING INCELS, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY BOAAAAAAARRRDDD

She's right, you know
We should all join some militia and get killed

Stats are interpreted, there isn't a single reading to them. And again, what methodology was used ? What about the sample ? What about the research team ? Stop bowing to the quantitative god

I live in urban France, I think we had our share of sexual liberation. The few virgins I know are neet or asocials - clearly abnormal social behavior. If anything, I would link male virginity with this, or socio-economic trends, but thats not something your precious stats have ever done

I would like to know what is his body fat % and how does he talk, what does he say, does his body language gives away intense anxiety, etc.
I also could go and approach 100's of girls without getting laid if i said something like "h...hey m... My name is" "where are you going" "wonna have sex?"
One has to have the ability to at least have a pleasant small talk with a woman before fucking her.

I am a 5/10 man with a 5/10 girlfriend of two years.
Normal people engage in social activity through and outside their job or education. A normal or even subnormal level of social activity is enough to meet hundreds of possible partners. If none of them are interested you are unattractive.

>The few virgins I know are neet or asocials - clearly abnormal social behavior.
hmmmm.... what might cause this kind of behaviour... if only i knew..

Why is it that all social disfunctional and isolated men are ugly as fuck with a weak jawline and chin?
Is it a coincidence or are they socially marginalized due to their looks?
One never sees a tall and attractive guy ending up like that.

The incel community was packed full of advice on grooming, fitness, and social behavior. It usually doesn't work. That's why they turned to the black pill.

It's clearly the fault of the leaves if they are all yellow and withered, and not the tree's.

Aside from a small percentage of asexual people, the notion that anyone is okay with not having sex for a year in order to pursue a career is absurd and laughable. If you're not having sex for that long, it's almost always involuntary

to be fair i thought only men could be this coldly insane in their convictions so that's at least interesting of the hole to have as a quality

I'd say market capitalism and its consequences on body chemistry, the psyche and probably technology and cultural contents. But I'm just guessing. What's sure is that these behaviors first appear way before virginity becomes an issue

But you need matriarchs to teach the young women how to raise children.

Men become NEETs to due being ostracized, they're not ostracized because they're NEETs

it's women like these that prove how right Schopenhauer was

fine, let's leave 1-5% of women over 35 alive.

Quads of truth

What she says is true for people in general, at least since the industrial revolution and the rise of living standards and the social safety nets.
But everyone benefits from it. Even she--judging by the pic now way past the wall, with nothing to offer--is alive because of the comfort provided to her by the society at large. In a different era she might have been left by the side of the road, sucking dicks for breadcrumbs.

sexual inequality is just one aspect of market capitalism, "extension of the domain of the struggle" to quote houellebecq

It is also possible that these guys themselves aren't interested.
For example i had a break up 6 months ago and i'm not really interested in getting into a new relationship or to have casual sex. But according to you I could be classified as an incel.

you are just an anomaly

You are not an incel you are part of a minority of men who have been deprogrammed of their natural desires.

I can only imagine the blood these grandmas would spill to stay at the top.

What the fuck are you talking about? Since when has sex become the absolute goal of modern life? And don't come at me with reproduction bullshit because the sexy
you're referring to is just masturbation using another person's body. Are you guys really that desperate for sex you start projecting all your life around it? Stop consuming so much propaganda for God's sake, cause just because you know it's propaganda it doesn't mean you are imune to it.

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That is the male feminist ideal, most men wageslave to provide for women who have sex only with chads and become single mothers.

The human need for reproduction is instantiated as a desire for sex. If you do not desire sex you are dysfunctional or brainwashed. Most people are not.

No i don't think so.
Also, in those stats something like 17% of women also hadn't had sex. Since incels believe that women get sex easily if they want to, doesn't that imply that these women are just not interested in it, but when it comes to men they need to be obsessed with sex.

You have never had sex

>I am a 5/10 man with a 5/10 girlfriend
Prove it

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It is a biological need that you can satisfy by fapping.
And as the other user said sex without reproduction is just a more fun way of fapping.

Don't project your problems.

Do you not think your body can tell the difference between masturbation and sex? Do you think your body can tell the difference between birth control and no birth control?

I have browsed incelselfies and most of these guys seem to be fat and have a bad hygiene.

Go back

Women have a fundamentally different reproductive strategy than men. They are not as interested in casual sex especially with unattractive men. This is because women must invest resources into their children and men do not have to. Women seek the most fit partners possible and men seek any partner available.

>no u
no u virgin

So? It doesn't seem like a survival necessity, sex is a luxury and privilege, you aren't entitled to feel good.

The modern incel community has given up because the ones who tried to improve all failed. If you haven't seen this video you should. It was the turning point.
youtube.com/watch?v=5tuf59ex-U0

You're a legitimate retard. Men are sexually motivated, to the point where a lack of access to sex is often coupled with a rise in violence against women.

youtube.com/watch?v=F7vArjs9bwA

>whining about your virginity
Literally stop caring, dummies
Can't read if you're having sex

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Ranked by evolved importance sex is second only to survival. Survival is mostly taken care of in modern society. It's natural for men to seek as much sex as possible.

>is fat
>has a shitty haircut
As expected

>muh peepee
>muh cummies

why are "men" so pathetic? what can we do to set them on a straight path and to stop giving attention to worthless thots?

You have to go back

Physically castrate them

There is literally no way this guy could find a way out of being ugly. No haircut could hide his premature balding. No amount of weight loss could hide his hideous face.

>smoker
well deserved

>The solution? Cuckoldry.

That fucking video holy shit

>non-monogamy totally won't lead to the vast majority of women sharing a small minority of attractive men
at least the woman recognized the problem and was right to propose prostitution

You're all wrong. Men are only useless because they don't have genetic stake because they don't have kids. Notice that it's a fight about reproduction not about sex. There's a difference. Incels can reproduce they need the money to hire surrogate mothers to give them an egg and birth their baby.

It's not about sex, it's about intimacy and the promise of a family. Both things that whores can't provide.

Yes its not about sex its about children.
Nobody in this thread knows its all about children.

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They don't get that it isn't about sex but about reproduction, having kids and a family is what motivates young men to be productive and hard working members of society.
If it was about sex tgen one could just commit crimes and fuck prostitutes or rape women.

Fuck it, we are going to enslave women.

>We?
Not your army

The inceltariat shall seize the means of reproduction from the chadtalists
Inceltariats of the word unite
Gas the roasties, gender war now

Based

You can already have kids. Just pay a woman in India to carry it. Cheap as fuck.
Also just wait for artificial wombs

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The basis of society is a healthy family user, it isn't just about reproduction but also about having a relationship and raising kids together. And the best part is that most women want this too, they are just brainwashed by feminism to hate men and marriage, but deep down its all they really want.

human security system brainwashing victim

Now you suddenly want to have a relationship and all that gay shit with those women you hate.
I thought the point was to take back your reproduction not share it.

No it always was about relationships and reproduction.
I don't hate all women, just those who are mentally fucked up and entitled.

>Nowadays, mostly all men do get laid as well.

>calling other people naive

>with those women you hate
Hate is just a sign of love

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But don't you think the great majority of guys craving for sex are primarily after validation from women and society and not healthy and cohesive families? I got that sex drive is an impulse of reproduction, but if that was the primary reason people would go to church. I think its mostly propaganda that turns people into sex obsessing animals.

Having sex as a way to gain validation is partially the byproduct of the sexual revolution.
And men usually don't search validation from women, they just want to brag about it to other men.

>le chasteness has never existed meme

> men usually don't search validation from women, they just want to brag about it to other men.
I'm not sure we can say that about the emasculated men of today. Being raised mostly by mothers, and due to extreme propaganda against masculinity, men today tend to seek women's approval more than from other men.

ITT: arguing about a problem the Catholic Church solved 1500 years ago. You simply can't have a stable society without enforced monogamy

I don't even understand what do you mean by searching validation or approval from women, maybe i'm a braindead retard. Can you make an example of such behaviors?

She's right. We need instituitions to deal with this. We should send unattractive men to massive think/production tanks where they study the art of computer programming and autistically labor with each other their whole lives to develop the nation's technological infrasfructure. Whores supplied once a month.

Enforced monogamy was part of every large society ever. Romans had it way before your jew on a stick meme.

This is literally what China is doing, other societies such as Africa and the middle east just send them to the west were they either find partners because they are exotic and more aggressive or rape.

You're not too far off the mark. Men will use the most immediate pathway to their genetic success. If that pathway is that you have good looks and a big dick, you'll be more inclined to behave like a "cumbrain" or to lean into those advantages, thereby accomplishing nothing of value in life.

If you don't have those advantages, you must take a harder path to genetic success--or surrogate activities for it--and you could wind up making a difference. Supposing you have intelligence and ability of course.

We have "enforced" monogamy now as much as we did in 1500 and as much as we did in ancient Greece.

No, women have a biologically inbuilt hatred of sub-Chad males, or at least the thought of having to carry their seed.

>image
Now that's a hot take I could get behind.

Give them a loving wife.

monogamy is agricultural civilization, nothing specifically catholic about that.

*rides in on a chariot and slaughters all the men*

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What nazi language is that

based
untrue
untrue, polygamy is on the rise as the result of sexual liberation
untrue. Peak Egypt civilization had 1 in 17 men reproduce. Abrahamic religions introduced socially enforced monogamy and all the norms that followed. What we're seeing right now is the reversal of this social expectation and shaming, and the rise of male celibacy who have live for nothing but to pay taxes to single mothers and their spawns.

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Single men are free to get a surrogate mother and egg donor to carry their children to term but they’d rather be incels and do mass shootings.
If you don’t want a stake in society and you don’t want kids, then you should go be a monk somewhere but whining even though you can reproduce is stupid

I don't think the feminists know how dangerous of a game they are playing

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No women need to be put in their place, enough of this bullshit

THIS. Can we please just euthanize incels?

During caveman times, we had the harem bottleneck. Monogamy seems as old as proper civilization itself. Any "eugenic" argument against monogamy here is clear bullshit.

They will when they realise that third world women can be paid for reproduction

not even that many men were killed in wars through the ages and men were put in religious positions to not waste the family's wealth AND because having a priest son was very useful
fuck outta here that shit was written by a male incel 120%

>Can reproduce in a non conventional way
>no I am white male so I must chimp out

Historically only something like 78%
of women had babies. Now it’s only down a little bit to like 72%. Those women just had kids just had more kids.

Weak female were also not aloud to pass on their genetics.

the problem is you think too highly of yourselves and go for 7/10 girls when it'd be easy for you to get an uglier girl but no better stay on the internet writing stuff about armchair evolutionism

Worked for everyone else so far.

>le "incel goes for stacies" meme
Sure buddy

The majority of incels aren't white

I've met a few attractive guys who ended up homelesd and begging on the street.

The whole "expendable male" theory does have some evolutionary backing, but it depends on the species. And human culture is a confounding variable to evolutionary theories.

But on the fundamental level of selection, sexual biology dictates an imbalance. Males are much like the sperm they produce, their gametes are a dime a million. There is no shortage of sperm, and the male's role in the reproductive process is very much one and done. Sticking around to rear the child aside, their role concludes at insemination and conception.

Women in contrast, have a precious supply of eggs and a shorter window of reproductive viability. They must also grow the child over 9 months. Biologically they are the more precious resource.

In result to this we have a sexual culture built around these constraints. This also explains why males tend to want quantity over quality in their selection of mates. Because the cycle is so shorter for them, they can fuck and run basically, they tend to want to plow the fields. Women in contrast are more sexually choosy, because they want to select the optimum genetic material to birth the fittest child possible.

Sauce on those stats?

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Men aren't libido machines, if you dedicate all your energy to a task you're passionate about it's natural you will have less time and energy for sex.

>No haircut could hide his premature balding.
Except shaving. Shaved head + moderately ripped = badass look, and for attracting women that's more important than a pleasant face.

Chasteness existed but it wasnt a sign of failure. And many officially chaste peoplz still had sex anyway.

>In result to this we have a sexual culture built around these constraints.
Yeah funny how we only remembered to create this sexual culture after the popularization of smartphones.

Hmm you're totally wrong but ok.

Percentage of men who are married?

>you have to cope

Venus in Furs

A girl that was stuck in her city/village had to marry someone, even average joe. Now women can reach chads and chad can reach average stacy in couple of seconds. Now put on top, shit economy, degradation of values/no values, destruction of the family, women's liberation etc average joe can't even compete, most cases does not even compete

>untrue, polygamy is on the rise as the result of sexual liberation
untrue, unless you can prove this

>her claims are backed by evolutionary studies

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Houellebecq.

Both Schopenhauer and this girl are correct. You have twice as much female as male ancestors.

>his extreme ambition was a manifestation of that frustration
Freudian bullshit. Napoleon was alpha by very definition: a leader of men. And what a leader he was. His only mistake was believing in the social programming of romantic love. Once Josephine cheated on him and broke his heart, he fucked mistresses by the boatload. 24 or so have been confirmed and have names, but in all likelihood he fucked hundreds more.

Eugenic policies are polygynic by nature. The best seed should basically be milked and put into as many suitable wombs as possible. Otherwise it's not really eugenics at all. Or a less efficient form.

natural selection is always in effect no matter what
we cannot know before what genes are actually good, since the only thing that determines if genes are good is that they survived

This is no argument against social eugenics. Intelligence is desirable for example, so have high-IQ guys just breed a lot of women. And while you're at it, find the high-IQ tall guys. Etc.
>inb4 society needs dumb guys too
Yeah I know.

I believe many people ITT believe they're smarter than the average "normie"
I can see why girls stay away from you just look at the shit you're writing here you're a fucking insane monkey trained by the internet to believe in bullshit you're not smart

what's the actual benefit of being tall?
more basketball players?

The saddest thing is, you're the dumbest one in this thread

More attractive to females so the tall ones will get some tailwind from actual natural selection.

>natural selection
Well, technically I mean sexual selection but you get the point.

ok keep reading whatever theory some hapa shut in came up overnight

is it really natural or a cultural attraction?
all this fuss about height seems to be more prominent in the states than in europe
even on tinder girls don't have height requirements here

Yeah they do, it's even more or less the same length. The US has the magic number of 6 foot, in Europe we have the magic number 180cm. And guess what, that's about 6 foot.
t. Belgian

but it's less prominent I believe
nobody here ever made fun of a 170cm actor like they did with tom cruise

Do not be upset roastie

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>waaaaaahhh i can't stick my pepee in a hole waaaaah
>i have free access to virtually all of the most important works of mathematics, philosophy, literature, music, etc. but instead of investing my time in any of that I choose to whine and feel sad about not being able to feel tickling in my peenor area
god i hate human beings

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this

>women get the vote and get a free century of guilt-laden encouragement to achieve
>IMMEDIATELY destroy stable families, destroy motherhood, become massive whores, go from wearing modest clothing to 13 year olds showing their camel toes and asscheeks in public
>hypergamy at literal prehistoric levels within one generation, women get fucked by top-20% men on tinder nonstop through college, expect the men they later settle with to be completely cool with this
>men: "I wish I could still have a wife and family instead of being alone and increasingly insane for decades"
>"you're so entitled, is sex all you think about"

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Safety is a luxury and privilege, you aren't entitled to feel safe

I'm a man, I want it all.

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Of human bondage

Not humans' fault.

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all of that, and I can still live my life exactly the way I want
you want ephemeral, empirical success in life, you may pay for your weak will and character

youtube.com/watch?v=_GZdynReldQ

He observed it faultlessly, but he arrived at a faulty conclusion. The will that strives towards that Something has a meaning behind it unbeknownst to us yet. I liked BAP’s interpretation on this issue.

You can also live "exactly the way you want" as a monkey jacking itself off on a sinking ship. Learn to take responsibility for the world and civilization around you, not just seek to survive as a lone pleasure-seeker within the system.

HEIGHT, FACE, FRAME

youtu.be/WX-bE70F4Kg

that's exactly what I said in the first post you quoted

Then we're agreed, but that requires criticizing women for behaving like hedonistic narcissistic parasitic whores.

are you fucking serious? think for just a single second before you post

Not really. If the Will is really the first principle of reality (as Schopenhauer claims) there can be no grand purpose beyond the Will; that would mean there is a more fundamental principe than the Will, which is, by (Schopenhauer's) definition, impossible.
While I like Weininger, he's wrong in this excerpt. Men are just as sexual as women, since they are both driven by the same impulse to breed. It just so happens that in women, this manifests itself in a different way. A man is interested in learning Latin, not for Latin itself, but because subconsciously he believes this will increase his value to other females (whether not that's actually true is irrelevant.) In the same way, men are lead to invent and build things because, hopefully, such will lead to more sexual access to females. Sexuality is the endgame for both males and females, the difference between the sexes is not this endpoint, but how they plan to reach it.

"Like all women who have not succeeded in loving, she wanted something, without knowing herself what."

Monogamy is socially enforced now, just as it was then. There are laws which enforce monogamy now, just as then. The only difference is that you're alive today and you can see all the trash of society which never have any history written about them. Even in 1500, there were whores and men who decidedly laid only with them.

I see your point, but I'd argue that the percentages of historically comparable behavior differ so greatly that your statement becomes invalid.
Simply consider the value of virginity or overall sexual past then and now.

>Monogamy is socially enforced now, just as it was then. There are laws which enforce monogamy now, just as then.
Yes, and there are churches now, just as then. Except that attendance is down probably 80% since those days.

NPC tier argument, no self awareness

>Little men were pawns and Canon Fodder
The third son of a lord wasn’t a little man. The vast majority of men and women were peasants doing their trashy thing. Also women been getting dped since before time began.

People need to stop projecting their sexualities on the past, and present. She thinks a lot of dudes on tinder are short and ugly. The worst aspect of American culture is a view of the past through a warped version of the ruling class

Guess what Catherine, Elizabeth and every other female ruler in history was getting dick from all angles from swaths of hot dudes in her court.

We have a city called Raleigh in America and Potemkin was a battleship name into the 20th century for the Russians

>in Europe we have the magic number 180cm
It's 190cm in Serbia, it's even worse. That's 6'2 I think.

Yikes, no wonder you are a virgin.

>like religious positions, and that's gone too
???
no it isnt

White males are the only ones allowed to chimp out. Because we are actually good at it.