I've been damning positivists for years and today I find out this motherfucker is the actual culprit.
Press S to spit on his grave. Logical Atomism, or any strain of Atomism is falsehood. Hardcore, Pure and Platonic, Neo-Platonic Monism is the only Truth.
prove immaterial things exist right now
S
Being is more fundamental than "proof", you retarded monkey.
S
Fundamental in what regard? More important? More 'basic?' What do you mean by this?
If your talking physicalism.
But not that magical nonsense people use to snuggle in god.
phys·i·cal·ism
/ˈfizəkəlˌizəm/
noun
the doctrine that the real world consists simply of the physical world.
Remember, that's monism to..
Plato
Pic related.
I thought duality mean contrasting but not equal and dualism was equal.
I hate "mind-body" dualism because it forces immaterial to be subjective and material to be objective when I regard it paired differently as almost everyone else did prior to the modern age.
both physicalism and idealism are second order abstractions emanating from the same substrate, i.e: ultimate reality.
monism is an ontological thesis about fundamental kinds. it states that everything that exists is of the same fundamental kind.
atomism is a thesis about ontological structure. it says that there is a foundational layer of atomic facts which are (for Russell, logically) independent of one another.
they are independent claims. one could be a monist atomist, or a dualist atomist. and vice versa.
strictly, dualism only asserts that there are fundamentally two different kinds of thing. it doesn't, by itself, assert any priority to one or the other; nor does it assert "equality." i think dualists probably differ throughout the history of philosophy on the priority question. i'm not an expert, but i would imagine some scholastics would have granted some kind of priority to the mental. certain kinds of epiphenomenalists nowadays grant the physical priority (eg mental events are determined entirely by physical events.)
If something doesn't exist . . .
>made up non-sense is truth
okay
Care to explain?
prove material things exist right now
this is the correct answer
Material things exist independently of experience/cognition/perception or whatever. As evidence of this, take the fact that it is material that is currently propping up your delusions about it not existing. I.e, not just basic primal material, but definite, qualia-possessing, physical shapes are antecedent and indeed give rise to, any perception that would allegedly have manifest them if indeed you're pushing an idealist conception of reality and not just an absolute epistemological nihilism.
>Material things exist independently of experience/cognition/perception or whatever.
The only ground you have for the certainty that a world of objective material properties exists is the way you construct and make sense of the world, meaning that to affirm the reality of the material is at the same time to affirm the reality of the construction of that material (that spirit reflects it and is reflected in it).
I can make assertions about the logical structure of reality without 'affirming' its sensory representation as logic is not entirely sense oriented... the mental structure of mathematics mirrors that of the material world as senses must have inputs with which to function, i.e, things to sense. And senses in the first place are shaped by these inputs. Eyes would not develop without the existence of photons, ears without air molecules etc.
Jump in front of an uncoming bus and find out yourself
missing the point desu. the implication of that post was "prove material things exist independent of/ are something other than the gestalt that they appear as to conscious beings"
The question is whether the world, in its fundamental being, consists in cold, empty logical relations, or if its structure in some way transcends the purely material.