Is Hemingway really that genius or is he just idolized?

Is Hemingway really that genius or is he just idolized?

I read his "Farewell to Arms" in translation (English is my second language) but didn't enjoy it, seemed like another tragic war story you forget the next day. Then I read "To Have and Have Not" in English and enjoyed it more because the story was subtler and the whole plot seemed somewhat unique to me. I am currently reading "Death in the Afternoon" in English and it is also rather enjoyable even though I was never interested in Spanish bullfighting. That's my problem with him: I understand why Steinbeck or Faulkner are considered to be amazing, but I don't get it with Hemingway.

Is it that I don't understand Hemingway's true depth and skill or that nowadays he seems like just another American writer?

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He used to be special back in the day for his stylistic simplicity. Nowadays, tons of other people imitate his style, which is why the novelty has long disappeared.

If you have to read him in translation I can understand if it could lose its effect. Youre not a brainlet, Hemmingway is good. One day if your english gets good enough youll be able to appreciate him.

Read his short stories and his first novel (The Sun Also Rises a.k.a. Fiesta) - those are his genuinely great works.

I can’t think of another writer like Hemingway. We’re at the point where the original posts are barely even coherent.

If you ever try to write like him you realize just how smart he was. That shit is hard.

Adolf Hemingway.

French must be your mother tongue; your "is it that" in your last question reminds me of the "est-ce que" construction.

Recommend me some French literature.

This. They run bad Hemingway contests and the results are usually hilarious. He really was a genius — well, he had help from Mr. Perkins — and his style is probably impossible to emulate perfectly. He was very much of-his-time; no Papas around nowadays

Is there a cozier author than Ernest bros? Sipping some coffee right now in the cool evening air and reading The Sun Also Rises. Fuck this is a very good experience right now.

How's the experience of reading him? Is it earnest? Is his level of honesty up to par?

Not him but I always describe reading Hemingway as spending 4/5 of the chapter wondering what the fuck anything he’s describing has to do with the plot until you get to that last 1/5 of the chapter where it all comes together, often times driving a dagger right into your heart.
And yeah, I’d say he’s very.... earnest.

>And yeah, I'd say he's very.... earnest.

That's exactly what I wanted to hear. Good show, user. Godspeed to you et ta famille.

~Proust

Hemingway is a genius, no doubt about it. I'm not sure his work would translate very well; I suspect it wouldn't. There's so much depth to "A Farewell to Arms," but I can easily see how some of it would be lost in different words.

People talk about learning a language to read a writer. I'm learning Italian to read Dante. But, if I were going to learn English to read a writer, it would be Hemingway.

Very much this. Back in his day he was innovative. So much so that present-day literature is so influenced by the economic, sparse style that you think he's nothing very special.
The underline that see what said.
It seems simple when reading, but a lot of hard work went into it, which you realize only if you attempt it yourself.

>trust me bro, he is so deep like you cant even believe it

>The Sun Also Rises
Best examination of masculinity ever written

which of his novels should i start with? my mom's a librarian and she said that he wrote a really cool novel where some dude was fighting a fish or something.

Paul Blart, writer.

Hemingway is hot.

For sale: child's shoes, never worn

Btw was it really Hemingway who wrote it? I have heard that it is a myth and this "story" was known before Hemingway and it was said that other famous authors came up with that

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I also just read Farewell to arms. I really liked the story and the writing was OK but nothing phenomeal. I really liked the parts where Henry was hanging out with his NO HOMO boyfriend Rinaldi. The dialogue between Catherene and Henry was often quite cheesy and stupid

>OH DARLING LETS GO OUT
>ok darling lets go out darling lets go out darling and never come back darling
>wouldnt that be nice darling? to never return italy, darling?
>you are a silly boy, darling, boy.
>i know I am, a silly boy.
>You are a silly boy.

The ending came out of nowhere and actually I liked it the best.

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Hemingway wrote a sort of prose poetry in English that may not come through in translation. English speakers recognize the Hemingway style as beautiful and distinctively his.

>The dialogue between Catherene and Henry was often quite cheesy and stupid
Wasn't that kind of the point though? I don't really remember that much from the book, but wasn't their entire relationship some sort of fake flight from the horrors of the war, where neither of them was really interested in the personality of the other? At least I thought that was why they only talked in cheesy clichés.

Dunno, I felt that the story like this could not end happily and that the author would use the opportunity to make the end real bitter

And I hope that the dialogue was written in a semi-ironic way. I know that "Farewell to Arms" is in many ways autobiographic (including this love story) and maybe Hemingway wanted to show it as something rather awkward or cheesy, dunno

Holy shit I never thought about it like that, it really makes a lot of sense

Thanks, user, the book just got deeper for me

Never thought of that before, but that does make sense.

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