Just got this, what am I in for?

Just got this, what am I in for?

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an absolute atrocity if you're not reading it in ancient greek

Nothing that the bible couldn't have given you.

The fucking state of this board.

lots of cool action scenes

HYA! CRASH! take that Paris! THWACK!

Phereclus becoming a fountain of piss and blood à la 1990 Peter Jackson films.

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Who the hell is Michael Reck?

The Iliad and Odyssey exalt the nobility of Honor.

The very first word of the Iliad is “RAGE.” The “RAGE” of Achilles when his honor is violated and his rightful prize and love is taken from him by his very own commander.

Right here we see Man versus State, as Achilles is the superior warrior, and as he takes all the risks, he ought get the reward. That is the Natural Law of Zeus, for after Achilles Natural Rights are violated and Achilles quits, Zeus sees to it that the Greeks begin to lose, as Zeus’s will was done.

Long before Atlas Shrugged in Rand’s cheap novel, Achilles quit the Greek army.

Homer shows that women who honor their commitments, like Penelope, lead to happy endings. Women who disregard their commitments, like Helen, lead to War.

Achilles quits for the sake of Honor, refuses to return when offered millions times more prizes, arguing that once honor is taken away, mere money/prizes cannot buy it back. He also reasons that all the wealth in the world is not worth him losing his life in an arena where his honor was taken away. When offered honors and awards, Achilles states, “I receive my honor from Zeus, not from corrupt Kings."

And too Achilles returns to fight for Honor, so as to avenge the death of his friend Patroculus, knowing full well he will die.

Simply put, Achilles is a man who lives and dies not for mere prizes, nor perks, nor tenure, nor titles, nor money, but for honor, and honor alone.

A few hundred years later, Socrates would invoke Achilles while facing death at his own trial. Socrates was offered perks and prizes and life if he would only recant his teachings that “Virtue does not come from money, but money and every lasting good of man derives form virtue.”

But then Socrates asked, “Would Achilles back down from battle if bribed by physical wealth?” Socrates reasoned he would be dishonoring the Great Achilles if he ever recanted his teachings.

Gangsta rap of the Greek Dark Ages.

The Iliad is a sphere. Never forget this.

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Hector realizing he's been deceived by Athena, accepting his death, and fighting Achilles is the best moment in the history of literature

Kino

The poem made me wish Athena would be my waifu. I still dream about it happening.

A pretty good story that contains both myths and pre historical information
Trojan war likely did happen. Question is, if it did, how much of Homer is accurate?

Diomedes scaring away gods was better

>Athena will never tug on your hair

It's too much to bear ;_;

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Based Diomedes

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Am I the only one who liked ares?

You guys remember that time Achilles fought a river?

>The river fell upon him, raging in a swell; churning them up, he roused all
>his streams; he thrust up the corpses, all of them, which were around him
>in heaps, those whom Achilles killed, and bellowing like a bull he threw
>them out on the land; he was saving the living in his beautiful streams
>hiding them in large whirling channels. He sent a terrible foaming wave
>around Achilles, the flow falling on his shield pummelled him.

I like the part where his flesh gets ranched on.

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for me, it's Pallas Athena

The greatest read of your life

This. The power of man staring down a God

I don't know which translation you're reading, but after that you should read Pope's Iliad. It's kino beyond comprehension. It's better than Homer himself, i promise.

Are prose translations worth it?

prose translations are pointless

You can speak ancient greek?

School starts within the month. Itll clear up

Yes, Latin too.

>Minerva
>Mars
I fucking hate the latinate names for the Olympians.

>Latin

Latin is coming out on the Duolingo phone app in a couple off weeks. Something to check-out maybe. Might be fun.

Ancient capeshit written in hexameter

Hexameter makes everything better.

the western mans old testament

if only capeshit had this level of violence

What's Europe's new testament? The Aeneid?

>Dualingo
I thought this was a meme. Is it actually any good?

Joyce's Ulysses

no

>Might be fun.
Might be repetitive. Duolingo is shit in regards to language acquisition, and even conscious learning - which is *not* acquisition - it does poorly with because it gives you such small sets of words to work with in each section. You'd be better off skimming a grammar guide to get a basic idea of how Latin expresses ideas, and then just reading a shit ton of content.

Homer really messed up by making Hector run around the city nearly 4 times. It seemed really out of place.

the new testament

Sounds like Achilles had problems.

Thank you for the genuine post. It seems rather underrated.

>Beowulf
>Hercules
>Samson
>etc

Just the same old bullshit. People like to cock worship heroes. It's human nature. Savages ride horses screaming egotistically about how honorable the songs will be long after they're dead even before they invent the written word. They get bloody, people play the telephone game, legends are made. Now days we know better but still cock worship super man, Conan even, the same garbage. Judge Dredd counts. Batman too. It's people aspiring egotistically and unrealistically.

For kids' inspiration. Reach for the stars. You won't reach them but reach kiddies. Surely you will become an astronaut! Surely the gods will be pleased! You're the best! Cure cancer! Become a king! Life has a point and is good! There are heroes and you can be one too!

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The Odyssey is my preference. But Iliad is great too. OK so Ajax is the Michael Corleone of the movie and is rekting people. But in this movie, you aren't following Michael Corleone, you're following the Tetalia. Hope that didn't spoil anything
But you probably wont even read the book so discard my comment, how do i delete?

Agreed

Ok, here's what the Iliad is really about: pessimism. And it's the greatest work of literature ever written on the subject.

The life of man is shown to be at the mercy of forces far beyond man's control or comprehension. The gods are petty and uncaring. They are cruel at worst and capricious at best. Even the most pious men may feel the gods' wrath. But there is still worse for man than the gods. Man himself is man's worst enemy. Homer gives us insight into both sides of the battle. Both fight with bravery and virtue. Both are enflamed with rage and indignation. They experience immeasurable loss at each others' hands for arbitrary reasons. The most important line of the Homer, the line which most sums up his teaching is "οὐδὲνἀkιδνότερονγαῖατρέφει ἀνθρώποιο, πάντωνὅσσατεγαῖανἔπιπνείειτεkαὶ ἕρπει"

The lot of man is a tragic one. Homer illustrated this in brilliant fashion.

God > Demi-god > Man

have sex

yep

That’s a gorgeous book

This is not necessarily true.

Proof?

Achilles (demi-god) defeats Scamander (River god)
Diomedes (man) defeats Ares
Diomedes defeats Aeneas (son of Aphrodite)
Patroclus (man) slays Sarpedon (son of Zeus)
Paris (man) kills Achilles

Good taste in women.

Take the Hera-pill.

long lists of names of people who fought in battles here and there. Kind of a painful read, desu. The Odyssey is much better

Delicious wide-eyes

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>tfw athena will never put her thong-sandalled foot on your neck and say she hasn't been properly "worshiped" since pelasgian times, if you know what she means

boats and boats and boats and boats and boats and boats

One of a kind book. Not the easiest read, but one to be remembered. Also boats