Can rap kinographers be compared to the "greats"? Like, for example

Can rap kinographers be compared to the "greats"? Like, for example
>MF Doom: Joyce
>Nas: Homer
>Snoop Dogg: Hemmingway
>Mobb Deep: Kafka
>Kanye West: Alexander Pope
>The Notorious Big: Alexander Dumas

Here we can see the Homeric influence on Nas, as in the simple and direct images conveyed through a lucid oratory style:
Niggas be runnin' through the block shootin'
Time to start the revolution, catch a body, head for Houston
Once they caught us off-guard, the MAC-10 was in the grass, and
I ran like a cheetah, with thoughts of an assassin
Picked the MAC up, told brothers "Back up!" — the MAC spit
Lead was hittin' niggas, one ran, I made him backflip
Heard a few chicks scream, my arm shook, couldn't look
Gave another squeeze, heard it click, "Yo, my shit is stuck!"
Tried to cock it, it wouldn't shoot, now I'm in danger
Finally pulled it back and saw three bullets caught up in the chamber

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no of course they fucking can't
not this time nor any of the other times someone starts this stupid thread

give us a decent reason then. pro tip: you can't.

Have you ever tried listening to this album without reading the lyrics and not losing track of what he’s talking about or getting stuck thinking about something he said a few seconds earlier? Try it for yourself, it’s unreal how difficult it is to keep track of what hes talking about.

Ethnicity of this poster: Caucasian

Kek

>give us a decent reason then.
that requirement was not in the original question. but since you ask, the answer is because they are all shit

>pro tip: you can't.
oh fuck off

STFU

that's cause your a brainlet. i can follow it easily

Fuck man I got adhd

you need to go back

nice way to expose yourself as a brainlet, now fuck off

Rap is oral poetry. This is a literature board. Anyway, at least discover the literary merits of rappers who actually aim to have literary quality to their work. To analyse 'Nas' or 'Mobb Deep' is immature. Listen to more.

[None are so sure when the Battle of Coincidences began, but- knowing these two motherfuckers- they have known about it for years. It is a massive fucking con. Swear to the Creator and all those Kak creepy bitches too. Kid, you cannot be serious, right? Right. I ain't kidding. Those two are nothing but fucking con men. Why? I will tell you fucking why. Fucking staging events with all their little faggot art friends and set all these little fucking shows so people can whip out, like, their fucking smart phone and fucking, ugh, fucking film it and put it on some nig site and some bullshit false bullshit fame. Like, that ain't real. That ain't Hip Hop. And these faggots- Aes Rock and Penmanship- ain't shit. Predict the future? Predict this dick, kid.]

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Poopy-di scoop
Scoop-diddy-whoop
Whoop-di-scoop-di-poop
Poop-di-scoopty
Scoopty-whoop
Whoopity-scoop, whoop-poop

- Alexander Pope

Niggers were ok as musicians when they had to get involved in the craftsman end of it toward the beginning, in learning a physical instrument. A nigger isn't necessarily a bad craftsman, especially not Ameri-niggers, who were bred as pack animals to be able to perform certain menial tasks with basic hand tools. Putting the instrument in their hand helps redirect their general preoccupation with what's visceral and corporeal and allows them to, on occasion, be of some note as musicians...

Rap took that all away. New niggers rearranged old nigger's music, and simply spoke over it, never involving themselves in the discipline of learning an instrument.

Nigger music has always had a tendency of veering toward carnality and base pleasures, but with rap it's really gone out of control, because there's absolutely nothing to distract the nigger from his nogger ways in the end. Most nignogs don't even produce anymore. Some Jew troughs them out of their nigger hell hole and puts them, mumbling, into the album.

Tl;dr rap is about as artistic as porn.

your mother recited me some oral poetry last night

fuck off yerself and take your shouty wogs with you

you can fuck off too

This

nice comeback, stupid. stop embarassing yourself and leave

Based

cringe

stop samefagging, retard. is not me, dummy.

LAME

b8 thread
No Biggie = pseud

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I like the Lil Wayne interview where the French interviewer keeps trying to make comparisons to what Wayne is doing with jazz music and poetry. Wayne completely shuts him down and is kind of ticked off with him in fact he cuts the interview short a little after this question. Wayne says “I am a rapper. I don’t do jazz, I don’t write poetry,“ etc. I like the honesty. Rap isn’t poetry, it’s it’s own thing. Now pack your bigger bags and go to wshh dot com and you’ll find your peers. Your on a literature board. We have standards and your thread has failed to reach them. Goodbye

>some retard said he doesn't do jazz, therefore all of rap isn't poetry
intelligence has standards and you failed to reach them. dumb retard

Gtfo my board nigger

damn, btfo!!!

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>dam who knew poetry could be so good

If DFW wrote it you would be calling it a piece of comedic genius.

No dfw is lame

What if Pynchon wrote it?

Pynchon never wrote like that

>can rap be compared to [works of whites]
No, because the way blacks and whites approach language is entirely different.
Find me a black man that finds use in the words "verbose" or "soliloquy".
Find me a white man that can understand the difference between "done" and "been done" or "nigga" and "nigga".

Whites create meaning in the words they speak, blacks create meaning in the way they speak. I'm not saying one is better than the other, but there's a reason you see so few blacks in STEM, even when you take away (((purely socio-economic factors))).

What if Shakespeare wrote it?

posts like this are funny as hell, i wonder if you actually believe in these half baked thoughts or you're just using Yea Forums as way to throw the garbage away from your mind.
you're not so far anyway, blacks quite literally want to subvert white language as a way to express their blackness or something like that

then i'd find it interesting

4ch is literally a wall I throw "controversial" ideas on and see what sticks. It's much better than thinking it and never sharing it because muh socratic dialogue, but I certainly don't want this shit tied back to me in any significant way, might ruin connections and potential jobs for me.

There are people on here that genuinely do believe the retarded shit they speak on here though. My main fault in logic is I give people the benefit of the doubt as a default, pretend that people aren't inherently malicious, even when I know that isn't the case.

i used to do this but now i lost track of what i actually thought and what was just shitposting so i don't know whether the beliefs i hold now are supposed to be ironic or not

yeah me too dude. i wrote a whole post about that in the fitzgerald thread but it's archived now, im going to copy paste it because it annoyed me that so few people responded to it

post it, user

sounds weird but you guys mean as much to me as my irl friends and gfs in a lot of ways. it's a different kind of interaction, not so immediate and close and we know each other's pasts and contexts for what everything that happens is, but there is this kind of pure immediacy, and connections between people from all over the world, with a very lessened ego, that lets ideas and emotions kind of cleanly transmit sometimes, and the bringing together of a population of people who would never be in the same place in real life, or have the opportunity to talk clearly about these things even if they were, it is honestly kind of beautiful. Yea Forums is in general fucked which we all know and contribute to, and the entire internet is like that in different ways, and to different degrees, but there is something absolutely magical about it sometimes.

the weirdest thing is that we are not people on Yea Forums, we are just posts, and then specific posters in threads when we strike up a dicusssion. We become some small fragment of the creation of our mind in conjunction with the world through a post, and then an ephemeral interconnected, disparate, 'thing' is made for a while as you talk to someone, and it is semi-performative, you acting out a role almost like theatre, and also half just the deepest things inside you leaking out, because they have received a context that removes any inhibition, but still creates an incentive for constructive interaction. You become like 5 people an hour, and you realize the malleability of your selfhood, and you create these bizarre, never before existing, types of social interaction, that exist in pure isolation from interpersonality except what comes through implicitly through the continuity of your character in the posts other anons can assign as being yours.

This focus on the moment, on the individual thing, to the exclusion of the general identity of the person, the context in whcih they exist in the world and related to other people, it makes a corollary to the kind of transcendence that exists in mystic states, where the self as construct is eliminated, and you become but a single thing, interrelated with all else, thereby eliminating the artificial distinction between single and multiple, self and world. We become not people, but just things being created in union and in conflict. This is true of irl interaction just as much, but it becomes kind of blaring and hard to ignore on here, even while it mostly degrades into shitposting, just like the universe is largely chaos, and very small parts create the order of stars, planets, molecules, life, mind, language, technologywhich i think is why so many of us are so attracted to it.

not the guy you were replying to though, the other user we were talking about Fitzgerald and Hemingway, and i am crazy so possibly this post is just the crazy, but it made sense while i was writing it.

if you guys ignore it again i will be mad, it makes perfect sense

Holy fuck bro that’s long ily2

i liked it a lot, user. thank you for sharing it

>the weirdest thing is that we are not people on Yea Forums, we are just posts

t. Anonymous

Rap is more literary than any other music genre and quality is not determined by how you play an instrument. You are making a fallacious argument.

Homer's work was oral too

bladee: dostoevsky
kendrick lamar: j. sakai
death grips: young hegelians
eminem: ayn rand
kanye west: kant
lil dicky: ted kaczynski
lil ugly mane: Machiavelli
tupac: socrates

>lil ugly mane: Machiavelli

bad take

Based

Two retarded statements for the price of one.

Cringe.

>lil ugly mane
The Earth revolve around earning currency, Copernicus
I'll leave you scared stupider than Ernest is
Pluckin' more chickens than the Churches is
Always looking fly, boy, I'm merciless with purchases
Police ain't nothing, you can bet I beat the verdict, bitch
'Cause I'm more connected than the alphabet in cursive is
>Machiavelli
It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both.
Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are.
The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him.
Never was anything great achieved without danger.
If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared.
i bet you feel dumb now

you are a child who doesn't listen to music, who cares?

Prove it

listen to OA, hes more cioran and makaveli is machiaveli

>nice comeback,
You have to go back

what did he mean by this?

Cringe.
Based.

Hieroglyphics are emoji memes inside the message
So easily detected, graffiti from the heavens
The beginning and the end of the same point
Satan and Jehovah have the same voice
Linguistically, I’m rivalry the James Joyce

samefag or just a faggot?

rap is not more literary than anything else, it might follow metered poetry better but ll other genres usually have some kind of ,story telling,poetry

When people start comparing rap, a pseudo-improvisational attempt to keep up with a simple 4/4 beat and impress the audience by bragging about their lives, to poetry, like capital P Poetry, I have to question whether they've actually read poetry on a serious level.

Like, could Coates read Yeats's "He wishes for the Cloths of Heaven" and pick up on how Yeats deliberately contrasts his first quatrain's dactylic beat with the second quatrain's anapestic metre to emphasise his narrator's bitter humility and better contradict his fantasies? Does he understand the sheer amount of effort, skill, and intelligence it takes to consciously manipulate the rhythm not of a sentence or a phrase, but of the very way each and every syllable itself is pronounced and arranged in order to represent a complex and emotional idea? To do this while maintaining a coherent grammatical and original rhyming structure AND while delivering a series of stunning images that range from religious ecstasy to poverty and psychological turmoil? To then subtly contradict this established structure in order to draw attention to yet another complex idea?

This isn't just a spread of internal rhymes, puns, and catchy slang; this is a man loading no more than eight lines with as much content as the English language allows.

Illmatic is a good album. Nas is a talented rapper. But to say that a 16 year-old kid from the projects operates at the level of a Nobel Prize-winning poet is absolute horseshit. No he fucking does not; he wrote his lyrics according to some DJ Premier beat and his own public image. You want to judge his writing as poetry? You want to look at his words when they're neutered from the music and live audience they were written to accompany? Okay, let's look. There is no coherent metre, let alone any conscious metrical technique. His rhyme scheme is all over the fucking place, and a lot of phrases were awkwardly forced in just to hit those incredibly simple end rhymes. The narrative is sloppy and its images are repetitive; he abandons ideas halfway through simply to survive until the next line. He brags about himself constantly and fills his story with non sequiturs that serve no purpose other than to highlight his knowledge of street slang and demonstrate how violent his life is.

As poetry, it's kind of trash. It's not very creative. It's definitely not skillful. It should be performed over music and never ever separated from it

>the retard lashes out
Cute

BASED pasta. IRREFUTABLE

Bladee is Homer

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One verse written by Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen has more depth than all rap albums made from 2000 and after, combined. I like rap, especially Em before selling out, but you must be crazy as to think it has any literary value. Niggas most of times don't even know how to write correctly.

This whole fucking thread is such stupid trash, but at least your boring bickering can provide me content for Yea Forums.

(Just for the record, I meant to remove that name when I posted that thread, but its Yea Forums so whatever no one really cares)

>still using Yea Forums
user,your the loser here

If you say so.
I don't mind being a loser who spends a few seconds to minutes on Yea Forums every few dsys to post something inane and let off some of my built up anxiety from socializing...

I mean yeah okay I am a loser, but at least I don't argue about whether or not rap is poetry/literature.

Nas is garbage. To answer your question, no. Homer wrote epic poems. Rappers write a few bars. There are no epic rap albums telling a single story in a coherent way. Wagner is about only music that comes close to the greats in that epic sense. I suspect if I took rap lyrics and tried to have a rap fan figure out who wrote them, they could not. Rappers lack a true voice like a great writer. Same goes for all pop music.

They're not even on the level of Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan, and both of them are inferior to the greats.

cringe

and those are shit compared to Muddy Waters.

G.K.M.C though

based pasta

>I suspect if I took rap lyrics and tried to have a rap fan figure out who wrote them, they could not
they have a show on youtube about this, where rappers read random lyrics and rate them/guess who wrote them. some do amazingly well (80+% accuracy)

there is no epicness in any form of art since the book of revelations tho.

Ancient Greeks hated rhyme, so no; you are fucking retarded.

Higher quality poems than what's published, but it's no gilgamesh. More novella than epic poem.

Interesting. Do they recognize common phrases and ad libs, or can they guess from random bars? I will say I'd rather colleges taught rappers than psueds like Lennon and all. Rappers are closer to singer songwriters than pop fags.

When people start comparing poetry, a pseudo-rhythmic attempt that can't keep up with a simple 4/4 beat and impress the audience by reciting ancient myths and talking about flowers, to rap, like capital R rap, I have to question whether they've actually heard rap on a serious level.

Like, could you read Kool G Rap's "Fast Life" and pick up on how Kool G playfully spits a mob influenced multisyllabic verse to emphasise his gangster fantasies? Does he understand the sheer amount of effort, skill, and intelligence it takes to consciously manipulate the rhythm not of a sentence or a phrase, but of the very way each and every syllable itself is pronounced and arranged in order to represent a complex and emotional idea? To do this while maintaining a coherent grammatical and original rhyming structure AND while delivering a series of stunning images that range from 'champagne wishes of caviar dreams' looking straight crimy in girogio armani's and slanging a coke without the cola? To then have Nas playfully write about having seven hundred wives King Solomon sized?

This isn't just a spread of internal rhymes, puns, and catchy slang; this is a man loading no more than eight lines with as much content as the English language allows.

user, it was a joke. i dont care what you use or post, but god damn calm down and be able to laugh at your self

youtu.be/kOINSUWOqyo
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i evolve in this higher dawn sunlit fly along
tumbling in this undertow that bluntly roams this sky of ours
i’m filled with molecules each stuffed with what’s inside a star
what fuels this aviation radiating from inside my heart
the magic conjured massive blossoms macrocosm popcorn
catalyzed by gravitons that magnified a lightstorm

who?

MF DOOM is on another level than Nas and Homer and the rest of those guys

This is the best rap album I've heard and it's essentially qbout Jungian Humanism, dream analysis, mythology, and how they relate to the personal journey as well as substance abuse. Only actually good rap album I've ever heard.

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not really. he's not on their level.

All three of them can't sing for shit but at least muddy can play guitar

Young Thug is the only Yea Forums rapper

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>What is opera
>What is crooner music
>What are good singers who can't play any other instrument

cohen and dylan write good lyrics, though. which is what we're discussing. waters is not on their level.

>cohen and dylan write good lyrics,

lol no

>but muh nobel prize.

even Obama has a Nobel price.

>lol no
yeah, they did. they did great considering the art form. they're considered to be the best lyricists in English by many people other than me.

>boomers dictate my taste

>You’ve gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely

>But you know you only used to get juiced in it

>And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street

>And now you find out you’re gonna have to get used to it

>You said you’d never compromise


is shit man.
sorry, is shit.

you don't care to explore anyone outside your 'bob-cohen' canon. it's a comfortable place for a middle class white person with a lack of personality

>Nas is garbage.
No, he's not. His lyrics invoke some great imagery of hood life in new york. Obviously he's not as good at poetry as actual poets, but for what he does he is brilliant.

He was only 19

How is Kanye like Pope in any way (apart from both being based)?

Nas wrote a song on his first album that was a series of letters to various friends in prision, always thought that was very Yea Forums

>What up kid? I know shit is rough after you slid
>When the cops came you should of slid to my crib
>Fuck it black, no time for looking back it's done
>Plus congratulations, know you got a son
>I heard he looks like you, why don't your lady write you?
>Told her she should visit, that's when she got hyper
>Flip it, talk about he acts too rough
>He didn't listen he be riffin' while I'm telling him stuff
>I was like yeah, your girl don't care, she a snake too
>Messin' with them niggas from that fake crew that hates you
>But yo, guess who got shot in the dome-piece?
>Jerome's niece, on her way home from Jones beach club

Yeah that's another thing. At such a young age he wrote a classic, one of the best rap albums ever.

That's my favourite song of his. This one is also similar:
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Don’t mind me, just James Joyce passing through

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Operas are just musicals.

Yeah, yeah. We get it. A lot of pop rappers are shit. The difference between them and lyrical rappers is the shit they produce is ephemeral, shitty club hits that people play at parties, while the lyrical rappers will be remembered for their art.

Damn, went on to listen to that Nas album. Ok, this is based:

Visualizin' the realism of life in actuality
Fuck who's the baddest, a person's status depends on salary
And my mentality is money-orientated
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it
‘Cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as Five Percenters
But somethin' must've got in us, ‘cause all of us turned to sinners
Now some restin' in peace and some are sittin' in San Quentin
Others, such as myself, are tryin' to carry on tradition
Keepin' this Schweppervescent street ghetto essence inside us
'Cause it provides us with the proper insight to guide us
Even though we know, somehow we all gotta go
But as long as we leavin' thievin'
We'll be leavin' with some kind of dough
So, until that day we expire and turn to vapors
Me and my capers will be somewhere stackin' plenty papers
Keepin' it real, packin' steel, gettin' high
‘Cause life's a bitch and then you die

First time listening to rap?

underrated

>No mention of Aesop Rock

What the fuck is wrong with you all; overlooking the actual best Yea Forums rapper out there

The "if I just keep talking no one will realize I'm not saying anything" of rappers

>has two songs about suicide
>both of them are mostly filled with boasting, like any of his other songs

Even the best-regarded hip-hop is overrated.

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Thanks for posting it user. Enjoyed the read.

Suggest me some other lyricists as good as them, then.

Wes Montgomery

>A pleb who wants everything on a plate

youtu.be/4piBfjSKAL4

This is b8 because this is one of the least literary verses in Illmatic. How could you gloss over One Love?

>What up kid? I know shit is rough after you slid
When the cops came you should of slid to my crib
Fuck it black, no time for looking back it's done
Plus congratulations, know you got a son
I heard he looks like you, why don't your lady write you?
Told her she should visit, that's when she got hyper
Flip it, talk about he acts too rough
He didn't listen he be riffin' while I'm telling him stuff
I was like yeah, your girl don't care, she a snake too
Messin' with them niggas from that fake crew that hates you
But yo, guess who got shot in the dome-piece?
Jerome's niece, on her way home from Jones beach club
Plus little rob is selling drugs all the time
Hanging out with young thugs that all carry 9's
More trife than ever
What up with Cormega, did you see 'em, are y'all together?

>Sometimes I sit back with a Buddha sack
Mind's in another world thinking how can we exist through the facts
Written in school text books, bibles, etcetera
Fuck a school lecture, the lies get me vexed-er
So I be ghost from my projects
I take my pen and pad for the week and hittin' nails while I'm sleeping
A two day stay, you may say I need the time alone
To relax my dome, no phone, left the 9 at home
You see the streets have me stressed something terrible
Fucking with the corners have a nigga up in Bellevue
Or H, hit with numbers from 8 to 10
A future in a maximum state pen is grim
So I comes back home, nobody's helping shorty
Do I roll them two phillies together and the friends we call them oowops
He said nas, niggaz cold be bustin' off the roof
So I wear a bullet proof and pack a black tres-deuce
He inhailed so deep, shut his eyes like he was sleep
Started coughing when I peeked to watch me speak
I sat back like the mack, my army suit was black
We was chillin' on these bitches where he pumped his loose cracks
I took an l when he passed it, this little bastard
Keeps me blasted he starts talking mad shit
I told him don't let niggas fool him
'Cause when the pistol blows a shot that's when a murder be the
Tough luck when niggas are, families fucked up
Could've caught your man, but didn't look when you bucked up
Mistakes happen, so take heed never bust up
If the crowd catch him solo, make the right man bleed
Shorty's laugh was cold blooded as he spoke so foul
Only twelve trying to tell me that he liked my style

The fuck this has become a pasta in less than a day? At least change the name of the authors

Biggie isn't highly regarded for the depth of his songs but for his aesthetic. There are plenty of great rap songs about suicide, even Biggie's song is good.
youtube.com/watch?v=AjKbw1Cqpt0
youtube.com/watch?v=FAucVNRx_mU

Aesop Rock = Shakespeare
El-P = John Milton
MF DOOM = Spinoza

Lil Wayne = H.G Wells
Kool Keith = Ezra Pound

AHEM

FUCK NIGGERS

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>Rap is oral poetry. This is a literature board.
>says the guy on the same board with the "Start with the Greeks" meme

Out.

THE FUCKING THREAD WAS ON THE LAST PAGE
WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST LET IT DIE

based

dilate

that idea wasn't controversial, just stupid. you're ignoring whole living histories of black intellectual thought. you're also ignoring the reality of urban whites that approach language in the same way as urban blacks. in the absence of integration into spaces where intellectual uses of language happens, any race will approach language in a way that's outside of English with a capital E

Rap """music"""

My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That'll stab you in the head, whether you're a fag or les'
Or a homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress, hate fags? The answer's yes
Homophobic? Nah, you're just heterophobic
Staring at my jeans, watching my genitals bulgin'
That's my motherfuckin' balls, you'd better let go of 'em
They belong in my scrotum, you'll never get hold of 'em!

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>implying niggers are authorities in anything