HOLY FUCK BAUDRILLARD/POSTMODERNISM BTFO

nope, philosophy has always drawn ideas from outside of philosophy; if a philosopher uses the word "force" he does not need to make this word correspond to the scientific interpretation of that word, it's as meaningless as saying a physicist can't talk about substance unless he's using it in a Cartesian sense. Baudrillard, Deleuze, Lyotard, they are all very clear that they are not trying to teach science, and to read their work as such is simply brainlet tier. Have you read Sokal's book? His position on Baudrillard basically amounts to "I don't understand any of this"

>yeah let's not

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>Then maybe he shouldn't borrow and misuse terminology and ideas from disciplines of which he is ignorant
baudrillard is just playing the part he knows he must

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Fuck off King Crococuck

What a cringe video

Cringy vid but I have to admit -at least in the English translation that sentence is badly written and gay as fuck.

kek the fact that he can't tell the difference in intellectual quality between Baudrillard and Deepak Chopra is so goddamn embarrassing. is this whole series like tongue in cheek or is this actually the power of STEM?

based but cringe at the same time.

>Have you read Sokal's book? His position on Baudrillard basically amounts to "I don't understand any of this"
Yes because postmodernists are intentionally obfuscatory and the passage the vid focused on is a good example. The guy who made the vid explained the concept in much simpler and clearer terms than B*udrill*rd.

>wahh people are abusing my ivory-tower words and using them to mean something other than what they were originally intended for in a niche scientific field
Dumb person doesn't understand or account for the way in which language evolves over time, how is this postworthy?

I wish STEMtards understood metaphysics, only Whitehead was good at both

>The guy who made the vid explained the concept in much simpler and clearer terms
he literally didn't even understand the point of the last passage, he just assumed it was trying to teach you chaos theory and sperged about the butterfly metaphor lmao

Maybe you weren't paying attention. He explained that the passage is talking about the fact that social categories are generally limited in their explanatory power and used the example of the category "car" to explain this. Any 11-year-old could understand this concept if it was put in those terms, but Baudrillard has to dress it up in the most self-congratulatory verbose language it's honestly disgusting.

Jesus fuck did you just compare Deepak and Baudrillard you fucking cumbrain? That's it, I'm triggered! Jesus fucking christ double digit IQ STEMlords picking on my baguette boy Baudrillard is peak Klown shit

> inb4 not an argument

That's not what I got from the sentence at all. It seemed more to be about the fragmentation inherent to modern life. A guy who wrote at length on this (and certainly much more clearly than Baudrillard) is the theologian max Picard.

> Les Incorruptibles should really be less verbose

You know what is funny, you are essentially doing the same exact shit you are accusing Baudrillard of, coopting the items of philosophical language without any of the necessary education, for the purpose of scientific masturbation.

That's not the whole point of the passage, you only assume it is because you haven't read the work and you can't understand what he's talking about, so you believe the first person to put it in terms you get. This is the equivalent to classic reply to the Hegel thread that "all he means is monism and thesis-antithesis-synthesis": does it sound like an 11 year old could understand this concept? Yes. Does it accurately describe Hegel's thought? No, not at all.

It took you that many words to say "no lol"? What is it with your types and babbling on about nothing?

Why don't you explain to me how that passage is so complex and intricate that it could not have been expressed in any simpler way other than to inappropriately appropriate obscure scientific and mathematical nomenclature and to namedrop (and misunderstand) fucking Chaos Theory? Really, there was no clearer way for Baudrillard to express his ideas? Just fucking admit it, postmodern philosophy is onanistic babble and the tidbits of wisdom that can be gleaned from their writings are dressed up in so much pseud nonsense as to make them worthless.

As for Hegel, that cunt is a terrible writer, so not the best example for you to come up with.

>“If you can't explain it to an 11-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.”

>If you can't explain differential equations to an 11-year-old, you don't understand them yourself.
I'm just going to assume you are intellectually challenged lmao

>Baudrillard's abuse of scientific terminology.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY SECRET CLUB TERMINOLOGY NO NO NO NO NO YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO USE OUR CODED PHRASEOLOGY ITS NOT FAIR NOOOOOOO JORDAN PETERSON SAVE ME

STEMnigger buglord bugbrain insect retard i would fucking kill you with my bare hands lets see how your precious logic and reason will save you from an early grave faggot incel neil degrasse tyson ben stiller stemcuck

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How about you try The System of Objects, if you want to truly engage Baudrillard. It's the most accessible of his books, and it helps contextualizing his other works.

"With regard to scientific terminology, I understand the function of technical language to be the facilitation of efficient communication, often by using jargon in place of otherwise tedious signifiers"

You are just jealous because, contrary to the Chadrillard, there aren't hordes of French qt gf wanting to be objectified by you because self-objectification is the only freedom available to a population under late capitalism.

A) Baudrillard isn't a postmodernist.
B) He uses scientific concepts and language metaphorically, and you can tell that he deliberately twists their meaning away from what he knows is their proper meaning for literary effect (the speed of light in Fatal Strategies). He explicitly calls many of his works that use scientific language "science fiction."
C) Sokal already wrote a book about this and he didn't have to make a cringey 20 minute cucktube video to express it (which is in itself a confirmation of a lot of what Baudrillard wrote about lmao).

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>he knows their proper meaning
There's no evidence that this is the case

It is irrelevant for his purposes whether he did or did not; you might as well squabble about whether a poet is an expert in botany. It is clear from his usage of scientific concepts (almost always ironic or sarcastic, especially in the case of pop chaos theory which he thought was a joke) that he had a layman's understanding, which is all that is to be expected from anyone not pretending to be an academic scientist.

>if a philosopher uses the word "force" he does not need to make this word correspond to the scientific interpretation of that word
It does if he is explicitly discussing physics

Good thing Baudrillard isn't a physicist, nor is The Illusion of the End a work of physics.

Not all of the people criticized in Sokal's book use scientific language for the same purposes which is why its such a maddening, ridiculous idea. Baudrillard uses scientific concepts for literary or ironic purposes, but Deleuze clearly believes he is appropriating scientific concepts that approximate to their scientific meanings for purposes that are both philosophically and sometimes even scientifically sound. So Deleuze is open to these criticisms in a way that Baudrillard is not.

Except Deleuze said the exact opposite; as a transcendental philosopher he was concerned with transcendental concepts, not empirical ones.
>Only a particular form of empirical energy, qualified in extensity, can be at rest; one in which the difference in intensity is already cancelled because it is drawn outside itself and distributed among the elements of the system. However, energy in general or intensive quantity is the spatium, the theatre of all metamorphosis or difference in itself which envelops all its degrees in the production of each. In this sense, energy or intensive quantity is a transcendental principle, not a scientific concept.

He did not say he was doing or approximating science obviously, but his whole transcendental empiricism thing really comes across as an attempt to take scientific concepts and elevate them to a higher philosophical plane that preserves and advances the scientific truth of said concepts. He wants to be Spinoza. He doesn't have to get the details of the concepts he appropriates right necessarily, but if his intention is to preserve and go beyond the scientific subject matter, he has to be on solid ground.

Well at least we are all in agreement that there is zero overlap between Baudrillard/Deleuze and math and physics.

That was never the issue at stake user; nobody ever expected to learn physics reading Baudrillard. The contention boiled down to: "Is a philosopher's use of a particular word legitimate if it doesn't correspond to the scientific definition of that word?"

cringe

That's fine. He can appropriate any words he likes, and people can debate the legitimacy of that all they want, though the idea that someone can be effectively satirical or ironical about a math theorem or physics concept they don't understand seems suspect at best.

I see that point too, but in that case STEMfags like whoever made op's video should probably shut the fuck up about things like epistemology or metaphysics because this is basically the same performative bullshit; ironically it ends up being a very postmodern take, the video would probably get a B+ in a 100 level deconstructionist course.

>the idea that someone can be effectively satirical or ironical about a math theorem or physics concept they don't understand seems suspect at best.
You might need a layman's understanding of them to effectively use them as literary devices, but to say you need an expert's grasp is ludicrous.

>reading john basedretard
>reading postmodernism
embarrassing desu

>shut the fuck up about things like epistemology or metaphysics
I only watched about half of it. Did OP vid discuss these?
Right. As stated above, we should take Baudrillard as seriously on math and physics as a botanist takes a poet's writings on botany and understand that his contributions are to other than science.

> Baudrillard
> Postmodern

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Explicitly? No. Implicitly the entire video is about epistemology, how knowledge is differentiated (scientific vs. obscurantist) and communicated through language. I doubt he even comphrehends Baudrillard was a metaphysician.

Falsafah is a circlejerk we already know that.

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>You might need a layman's understanding of them to effectively use them as literary devices
Except that his "layman's understanding" is demonstrably incorrect.

everything you need to know about this guy, is that he uploaded a video of him "destroying" a creationist, this year 2019
really takes me back to 2008