hey anons. i'm a freelance ghostwriter and fucking shit everyone's ideas are so bad. it's pathetic. it's god awful. the one good idea i've been paid to write for was wasted on a stagnant plot with a pointless ending trying too hard to create a harsh and cruel moral that didn't land, not by the lack of my own efforts, but because the root and desire of the author was so pathetic and I could not change their vision so long as I was being paid to write it.
what's a good worth to associate with my apparent skill? because so far I've received nothing but praise from my clients and have repeat customers for whom I am writing books upwards of 80k words.
right now I charge about $250 for 50k and it takes me about a month to get that (first draft) finished. too little? what's a good dollar-to-word count by the thousands of words? how much should I charge for 1k words under the premise that this is in fact a sought after skill which people are willing to pay for me to use on their behalf to make their story for them, which I've been doing consistently for about 8 months now?
I don't want to out too many details about what I've written or people I've worked for just in case they move to publish what I did under their own names and leave an open invitation for the three or four potential anons in this thread to find them with the Yea Forums autist powers and give them a hard time. I know their stories are shit, I wrote them, I'm just concerned I could be getting paid more for this.
Logan Rodriguez
I can't answer your question, but my brother and I have been working on some ideas that we would like to see written. We would to it ourselves but we both have no formal education of any kind. I'm wondering if you would at least tell me how a potential "author" ("client?") would go about working with you. What's the process? What do you need from clients? How does ghost writing even work? Apologies if you'd rather not answer! I guess I should google it but you seem interesting.
Wyatt Gray
250 per 50k seems really low. Especially when this isn't the kind of field where you can build a reputation for yourself very well. I would say charge by the hour, not by the number of words you write. Tell us more about how you get paid to write for brainlets though. Sounds like a good way to waste my time and earn some money. I second this. I promise we'll behave if you tell us, user.
Jack Myers
how many pages is 80k words
Hunter Reyes
do you have a sense of rhythm? curious
James Barnes
user, write something about a man that eats a cat and the cat is actually god
we can see if you're any good
Jaxson Lopez
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep is just under 80k words. Roughly 230 pages on average.
Levi Morris
i agree with , if youre good enough you should pay by hour. 250 for a month's work sounds paltry. That's like 60 bucks a week. I reckon you could give it a go and up your pricing... i mean you don't seem to have an issue with demand.
Josiah Diaz
I awaken I'm on Fiverr. I just set it up, did nothing, and people found my page. I priced my self under the rest of ht eghostwriters, some of whom had copy-pasted bios for their gigs, and Fiverr did the work of promoting me. I get 80% of whatever gets paid, so for $100 I get $80. When I write, it's just about 500 words per page at Arial font size 11 with GoogleDocs, so that's close to 160. It depends on dialogue, too. I normally do double-spacing instead of indent-paragraphs. The problem with "by the hour" is that I can usually crank about 2000 words in an hour, but sometimes it's less. I worked as a transcriptionist for nearly two years and that was a few hundred pages of text a day as fast as possible and it fucked up my fingers and hands, so I'm writing a lot slower but over a longer period. I can either do 1k words per hour for six hours and get 6000 words done or I can burn myself out all at once and get about 35k in two hours after I start getting the numb tingles in my fingertips. The pay is also decided up-front and I can't plan out the exact timeframe of work for most of these projects.
Chase White
>$250 for 50k dude Im in advertising and charge 15k for a full promo thats about 9k words. takes me three months to write one plus I get royalties. you need to step up your game brotha. even in content I was charging at least 20 cents per word and sometimes much more.
Jackson Rodriguez
why not just plug a a robotic usb with the data rather than type it with robotic arms?
Noah Gonzalez
about 20 pages
Jaxon Taylor
>crank about 2000 words in an hour holy shit I jsut saw this. youre working for sub-pajeet rates and at this rate youre on a fast track to burnout. seriously get your shit together user
Angel Jones
You multiply each thousand by 3 to 5, depending on the press. So 240 to 400 if published traditionally, which probably isn't the case here. People who self-publish on Amazon do all kinds of weird shit with their page formats.
Angel Cooper
>230 pages >20 pages uhhh
Tyler Ortiz
If you're so smart and talented, come up and write your own novel. But wait, you cant. Because you have no mind for it. Like they have no skill for writing. You're two halves that together make a whole. Know your place and dwell in it.
Jackson Collins
I have come up with my own novel. Novels. But I'm not guaranteed sales from them because I'm a nobody posting on Yea Forums with no friends to market for me and no money to buy reviews with so it would just go out to the Amazon sea to drift forever and get maybe a dozen sales in a year.
I can't feed myself with the pride of a job well done. Otherwise, yeah, I'd be writing my own novels and you wouldn't even be shittalking them because no one here would read them. How's yours coming along, though?
Ryan Torres
>write blog >get audience >write novel >shill novel on blog or just get a publisher if you have a blog audience, you don't even need to have actually even written anything at that point
Jason Hughes
Oh wow, no wonder you're getting ripped off. Fiverr only lets you go up to 995 dollars for some weird fucking reason. How many customers do you usually even get, user?
Right now I've limited myself to a maximum of three consistent long-term project orders. I'm doing 4 right now. One for the second of three installments in their series fof an 80k word novel for $550 (440 for me), another repeat customer who's asking for three 40k novels for $200 each, the third book for another repeat buyer at 75k words $400 and one person came in suddenly with a six-novella 20k word project at my base rate which is $80 ($64 for me) and I'm on the second one of those.
I've attributed much of my success to having probably the lowest prices on the site and pretty soon I'll be a Level Two (did a really good job and made a lot of money) seller so I can probably afford to pump my prices up after that, but I don't want to go too steep.
I've been working consistently with at least one long project at high price since January.
Michael Robinson
please for the love of god man raise your prices. what the fuck are you doing you should get paid several grand for a 75k project.
Hudson Cook
>$250 for 50k
LOL why aren't you charging at least 20x that? (100x that would be more reasonable)
Cameron Turner
I will once I hit Level Two. It'll probably drive new customers away, though, which scares me. And I'll have to keep my current, probably shit, rates with my repeat clients through the end of their long standing projects.
And maybe I should just work on my own damn book so I can point to it on my page and say "I wrote this, it's published, that's why my prices are high."
Ayden Gutierrez
I've justified it to myself in several ways: Writing is easy (for me) ((especially with the ideas I'm paid to work with)) I can get a lot of work concurrently and consistently make some money My standard of living ain't that high yet Work up a base of "brand loyalty" by having a lot of high reviews before gradually increasing the price I'm probably the cheapest option on the entire website for this which means I'll funnel in most of the work (for now)
I've been enlightened by your collective head-smacks of rationality. I'm undervaluing my service because frankly it's easy enough for me that I can't value it too highly, but all my clients seem to value it well so I guess I can afford a potential loss of newcomers to rely on the backs of more quality-first experienced sellers in the future.
Adam Sanders
What exactly does level 2 mean, by the way? What do you get out of it?
Ian Powell
More options and flexibility for gigs. And more gigs available to run simultaneously. If you sell on Fiverr you only get like three total different things to start with and their organization system makes it potentially hard to find the right thing in the right place. Like, the Jesus guy, he has five gigs that are all exactly the same delivery but they're in different "categories". It also gives you more promotion. I did zero work on putting my gig out to the public and I got contacts and jobs the week I started, so they must be doing something with their 20%. So basically, I just get to show off that I'm "better than" anyone who isn't as good as me without doing anything. I've earned X money in Y months with Z average ratings.
David Lewis
Bump, I wanna know more about what you’ve written, user. Tell us more about why all of it is so bad
Elijah Turner
In no particular order, I'll try to describe them in the least potentially litigious way I can. I'm also not sure if they've been published yet, though some of them definitely have intentions to publish under their own name at some point.
Dystopic future where miners on Titan start coming off a mind-dumbing drug and learn their rosy life is actually a nightmare. A priest hears a confession from a murderer while tending to the victim's father and tries to lead the community to solving the crime without breaking his vows. A skittish man gets involved in a galactic war where he gets a power rangers style power to summon a mech suit, and also he gets allies in the form of super-promiscuous alien women who he has to fuck to power up (almost literally a powerwank) A Dan Brown-esque mystery of a woman learning about a satanic cult in Switzerland using CERN to summon a demon into a robot body. Vampires took over the world and a small rebellion is growing in mid-Europe
I'm probably making them sound better than they were, but trust me, all of the good ideas you think could be explored, none were wanted. Those blurbs are the surface and the bottom of the plots and anything more was appreciated for its word count but largely ignored. There's more, including what I'm working on now, and it's all just stylistic choices as narratives and surface level themes as entire plot points. Makes me really confident about my ideas, at least.
