Ok so i've read The Illiad & The Odyssey. How do i continue with the Greeks? Beyond the well known greek playwrighters...

I finally understand the male impulse to pursue philosophy. Presocratics. Ignore herotodus unless you're a major history buff or really love ancient Greek lore

>soaked
>missing all lyric and tragic poetry
>no presocratics

lyric poets are fine but hardly necessary. many of them are fragmentary. pindar and sappho ought to cover it. OP already said he's going to read the tragedians. presocratics can lick my sack.

Archaic lyric poets' use of the definite article is one of the most important developments in Greek thought; characteristic that provided the linguistic bases for the platonic theory of Ideas. So I wouldn't discard them so easily, especially Archilochus.

Ok user we know you read this in some place. Which book/article? I'm interested in this.

>he thinks Yea Forums reads anything but translations

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You're right, that might flow a bit better. I also think the orators are criminally underrated when people talk about starting with the Greeks! We should meme them just as much as we do the historians.

"The Discovery of the Mind", by Snell. A little bit out of date on some topics, but a cool read, for sure.

How have you come to this conclusion?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY WASNT I TAUGHT GREEK AND LATIN IN SCHOOL LIKE EVERYONE WHO WENT ON TO BECOME A GREAT WRITER/POET BEFORE THE 19TH CENTURY?????????

Thank you user, i was recently reading an article called "Do Homeric heroes make real decisions?" and it cited Bruno Snell a lot (mainly criticizing him). I even read a little of one of his books on archive.org but i didn't follow it with a throughout read. Will try to read him later.

>y-yeah dude i speak 10 languages
who are you trying to convince

why... Anonymous of course. he cute.

Yeah imagine wasting your time getting to know her and buying shit.

This
And this

What a hellish room

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oh god is that like Julian Jaynes' "Bicameral Mind"? The idea being that consciousness developed over the period of recorded history?

And this is your humanity slipping away. I feel no compassion for such monsters and would gladly put you down for mulch.
Snap out of it or die.

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>newfag tripfag
...and filtered!

>newfag

>throws down a pretend smoke bomb
>walks backwards into the darker corner of his room
Unfortunately we can all still see you.

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Based
Also based

with her inside it, is fucking paradise

The lighting makes me want to die. Get a warmer lamp.

Nope. It's about the possibilities that some linguistic tools have over thought. For Snell, the idea of Beauty (or Good or whatever) as a metaphysical entity is possible thanks to some IE languages' characteristics. Or something like that. My English is trash, my bad.

Oh nice, that's much more interesting. I'll check it out.

>playwrighters,

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the absolute degenerate post modernist shrieks at the mention of violence against women

There’s nothing pomo about women taking matters into their own hands and nipping a bad seed. He describes going insane and thinking women as inhuman. *that* is inhuman behavior and deserves to be cut from the gene pool

you’re so hot when you get genocidal mommy

Prove to me that women are human and have conciousness.

Heal thyself lest my arrow finds you

A P-zombie could write this. Again, what is the proof that females have conciousness?

What’s a “P-zombie”?
There is no such thing as a soul, but we are CLEARLY both humans with what we call “consciousness”. Your dodge falls flat with me. If you’ve no respect for life, the living need not respect you.

rape often plays on power dynamics, not necessarily on pure sexual urges

nf

Someone with similar style hurt his feelings in the past and he watches too much television.

user was only talking about the degenerate woman in the image, not all women, you're overreacting.

There’s nothing “degenerate” about her. Anons are the ones overreacting. Get it straight!

Theogony seems to be a good reference to the gods other than Hamilton's Mythology. As someone who's read the Illiad and Mythology and, as well as being pretty familiar with the Greek Pantheon before even starting with the Greeks, would reading Hesiod enhance my enjoyment of the Odyssey? Or should Hesiod come after Homer?

Hesiod after Homer is fine. The thing you have to realize is that it isn't the case that Greek poets collectively referenced some agreed upon set of gods, heroes and the relationships thereof. Hesiod puts forth one account of the origins and characters of the gods, which has some agreement and some conflict with Homer's. To the later poets, the only authoritative voices on such matters were the earlier poets, Homer, Hesiod, Orpheus, and Musaeus.

Read Hesiod's Theogony after Homer.

There's a difference to Homer's mythos and Hesiod's but it's Hesiod's that gets taken-in among Ancient Greeks as The Mythos; you'll likely find Hesiod more familiar too

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