Honestly, I say this out of love. Especially for the young. Drop everything and read Pound...

There was a big movement in Brazil somewhat based on his ideogrammic method and translation theory, but no one takes it seriously anymore and one of its former main members denounced the movement’s language again and again for being wordplay trying to pass as poetry.

Ezra Pound scholarship is most active in italy, USA missed out on it

every beat movement is based on Pound's method plus the neoavantgarde movement in italy

is paulo leminski, dare i say it, the neo-pound par excellence?

Louis Zukofsky, Umberto Eco, and Allen Ginsberg are the most notable neo-pounds I can think of

Names, magazines etc ...
Where should I look?

neoavantegard... you're going to want to look at Ezra's descendant's Rachewiltz etc that's only contemporary scholarschip... Davenports connections in italy mainly, he brought back italian scholarschip on ezra to the unitedstates ( although there is an argument to be made Davenport misses the purely poetic part of pound's work and if lit criticism should be looked at it's Hugh kenner)

Disregard this thread,Op is like the guy at Yea Forums who posts Frasier threads all day because he's a conservative

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fucking meme poet with buzzzzzzzzzzz phrases

I've read Personae, I've read A Lume Spento, I've read his Confucius "translations", I've read "The Pound Era", I've read most of Cantos with annotations and with a guide to each canto;

it's not worth it. really it's not. I agree with Nabokov on this. life is simply too short too read Cantos. You CANNOT understand it without detailed annotations or without having extensively EXTENSIVELY read most of the corpus of European poetry. It also requires a deep medieval Chinese and European historical knowledge to say the least. The Adams Cantos are simply unreadable. Pound attempted to fit all of European cultural history into one massive work, reconciling the past and the present. And indeed, as he himself recognized toward the very end of his life, the project was a failure. The Pisan Cantos reach soaring heights but, on the whole, I cannot in good faith recommend the Cantos to be studied in depth outside of supervised graduate level studies.

The time you'll spend reading it you have to miss out on so much else. At the very least, if you're looking for some modern tomes to study, poetry wise, I'd recommended The Changing Light at Sandover or In Parenthesis. David Jones is what Pound never was, in my opinion. And OP, I say this as someone who has deeply loved Pound. You're better off reading Remembrance of Things Past, or reading all of Ulysses, or reading Henry James' late novels or Melville's late novels.

Please, I beg you, do not waste time on the failed experiment of The Cantos. Yes it's glorious, but in the same way that Melville's Clarel was: ultimately not worth the time.

So you mean to say it's a failure because it tries to force too many cultural references to an almost autistic level without developing anything original of its own?

that's a major simplification but, yes, to a point. It's like Ulysses without the prose, plot and stylistic diversity. So yes it contains a fuckton of allusions: the annotation book is 1000 pages of like 8 point font

He criticized our central bank. A unit is not permitted to criticize our central bank. This is what it is to be free. It is best not to speak of him.

The Cantos. A ghastly rigmarole.

he's a good intro to Georgism but i'd take the rest of his political views with a grain of salt. yes he named the jew but he didn't understand why, he was a mussolini toadie

when you reduce literature to nabokov's mental retardation of not understanding the difference between prose/poetry, your inability to understand the plot of the cantos and reliance on "style" to get through the book then it's your own fault bro. Just read an Ezra Pound biography and read the renaissance poets/chinese histories/adams histories books he got it's not hard, you give up because you feel week not because you hadn't enjoyed the book, learning to improve your own sense of literature is part of fun, don't give up just because your demoralized that's part of the game buddy

nabokov considered dostoevsky a mediocre writer

I’ve heard this too from people coming to USA. They think we have more respect for literature and books.
God bless ‘em.

I don't know about academia but I do know that whenever I check the poetry section of Barnes and Nobel, Pound is never there. Nothing.

>demoralization is part of the game
I love literature.

literature is not a "who read the most" contest. ABCs of Reading is not the right mindset to take. Trust me, i've taken your route, there's merits to education in the canon bro I agree with you. These days I'm mostly reading theology books and self help garbage: honestly when you're slaving away in grad school anything besides what helps you "meet the next goal" seems superfluous, sadly. i agree reading to improve your own sense of learning is a noble goal but existentialist anxiety forces me to read what is "useful"....and yes, I've read Tillich. I admire your ability to continue plowing thru the arcane but i just can't cut it.

Opinions on The Cantos are pretty mixed. Some consider it a work of genius, but many see it as having moments of greatness mixed with mediocrity. It's probably best to see the Cantos as being an unfinished draft, with some parts more polished then others. Over all, Pound is remembered more for helping further other writers like Joyce, Elliot, Frost ect. then he is for actually being a great poet himself

i havent

surely this is not actually his work right?

nobody can pick up pound without confusion. the man is a pretentious asshole and writes lines at random in languages not even he could speak

in order to understand Pound you have to read his paraphrases of the Chinese classics.

which is a drag unfortunately. honestly all you need to know about Pound can be found in Kenner's The Pound Era

Thanks a bunch! i had no idea Pound's daughter was still alive, let alone still a passionate defender of his work.

I've been going through the Cantos on my own steam with Terrell's companion and a few minor essays as fuel, but that later cantos have left me stumped. I fear i've reached the end of what i can enjoy without towards increasingly more impenetrable scholarship, which i'd like to avoid.

As someone who loved David Jones' work, how would you recommend I get into Pound? Haven't read more than a couple of fragments of his.

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OP here. I was surprised this was still up. Yes, that is his actual work from, as I said, Canto XXll. I wanted to show his that some of what has been said about him is completely true and has to be acknowledged. You can go into him blind, but you are going to be battered by his frankness.

Today I've been reading Mullins' "This Difficult Individual." Sort of a bio from some right wing Bircher who visited Ezra many times at St. Elizabeth's. Fascinating insights, blah blah blah.

nationalvanguard.org/books/mullins-eustace-this-difficult-individual-ezra-pound-1961.pdf

It isn't so much obscure as suppressed. But I would love to read any opinions of it.

Funny thing...I am currently bingeing Frasier. Never saw it when it was on and now I am up to S07E11. And I am a conservative, but I don't post Frasier threads on Yea Forums. I just contribute once in a while.

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I hope there is an online copy of Kenner. The person who brought me back into Pound was, of all people, Robert Anton Wilson, who wrote about him back in 1961 in The Realist, which I was reading because of the recent death of Paul Krassner.

Answering my own post I know, but here it is:

ia801904.us.archive.org/20/items/143639208ThePoundEraHughKenner/143639208-The-Pound-Era-Hugh-Kenner.pdf

Best Canto, GO!