1984 vs Brave New World

Shakespeare is for anglocentric pseuds

t. can't understand elizabethan english well enough to comprehend the beauty of Shakespeare

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The world most resembles 1984 at present, but BNW is around the corner.

bnw i'd say, atleast in developed nations.
sexual gratification of every single kind out the whazoo, tinder allowing for millions of one night stands around the world. videogames are entering a new stage that would be similar to feelies, complete reality altering (conquering) shit. every possible variety of food, item, appliance, technology, drink, whatever you can think of, all quite literally a single week away from your door thanks to amazon. life is getting easier and easier. information fucking overload. dopamine profusion every single day of your life.
but then again all these things are chained to the all powerful, capitalist money-god which resembles the lack of freedom in bnw i guess

Yikes, the projection here is astonishing.
In reality, it's a bit of both. Generally those who try to resist will get the 1984 side of things, and those who willingly lobotomize themselves for the sake of artificial "happiness" like will get the Brave New World side of things. Also, the fact that these novels exist in our world sets apart, albeit slightly, from those depicted in the works. So, whatever totalitarian system will have to therefore subvert even these novels themselves along with everything else.
1984 honestly get's a bad rap, but it is brutally true, and that's the sad part. Orwellian societies, if done properly, don't even know that they are Orwellian. Love = Hate. They literally don't have a word for love, they don't even have a concept of it. To control how language is used and perceived controls the very nature of how we view the world. Most people are in a constant dialogue with their ego in their head, just look at the NPC meme. People think you're inhuman if you aren't thinking 24/7, constantly constructing this narrative that is dictated in the language ultimately controlled by the state. "I am now tired. I am now happy. I am offended by this. I wish I was home right now. etc." A citizen in an Orwellian world would actually think pic related is "great" because they lack the vocabulary to even convey what is wrong, despite them feeling it in their gut.

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Oh, also don't forget, 1984 was written AFTER Brave New World. Orwell was a pupil of Huxley and he wrote it in large part as a reaction piece to Brave New World. Brave New World is a great work, and is also very realistic in it's depiction, I just personally think that it does not account for the will of the human spirit, and the opposite will of oppression that will stop at nothing to crush it into oblivion. By force if necessary. This is exemplified by the fact that most people view Brave New World as an objectively better work than 1984.

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>Howdy-doody from front page.
Out of the two novels I would say 1984 is more "right" - we haven't hit the point of actively developing speciation of the classes like in Brave New World. That aside, Brave New World's foreword was the scariest thing I have ever encountered in my life. I felt we were already in that world he was trying to resist. He wasn't "right"... he was just right.

As a Chinese, I do find China more like 1984.

I disagree, Brave New World explicitly shows how any individual desire can be purposefully twisted toward an end so long as a person is comfortable. Why would a man scream at the boot above if he was given a foot fetish as a child.

I suppose, but humans are complex creatures. Like I said, I believe in the human spirit. I think that molding a human to have, for example, a foot fetish from birth is easier said than done. The human spirit has brought us to the corners of the earth, and made humankind strive for greatness. All historical examples, and even contemporary ones like China and North Korea all seem to rely on control, suppression and violence to enforce their will.

They both blatantly plagiarized We so what does it matter?

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>Happy
Sure doing heroin every day is somehow not a dystopia. And if you don't the world falls apart in front of your eyes.

1984 is scarier, BNW is truer.

>Yikes
Thanks for immediately making it clear your comment is not worth my time.

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handmaids tail

>yikes
>projection
when did the new import of twitter drones arrive

It says that he's a socialist, despite the fact that Orwell was staunchly anti-authoritarian, completely contradicting that notion. But sure, ignore my post because I used le cringe twitter word. You people are what's wrong with Yea Forums these days. The effort of your posts is almost non existent. Go bump a bait thread like you faggots normally do.

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>He claims to be an authority on Orwell, despite not realizing that Orwell was an outspoken socialist, joined a socialist political party, fought for the socialists in the Spanish Civil War etc...
Yikes.

when you put effort into your insults it makes you feel like a worthy opponent to debate, but when you use halfwit insults copy and pasted from generic sites it makes me feel like i shouldn't waste my time with a retard

1984=North Korea
BNW=You

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Do you really think Orwell would be a socialist today? My point still stands. He was anti-authoritarian. Instead of refuting his work, you just attack his political preferences. Also, I never claimed to be an authority on Orwell, I just hate that people dismiss 1984 as if there isn't any merit in it compared to Brave New World.

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theirs merit to the plea against authoritarian control. brave new world recognizes a more relevant and realistic one and the thread is discussing which one is better in that way.faggot

>Do you really think Orwell would be a socialist today?
He became disenchanted after the Spanish civil war.

Orwell wouldn't be anything today since he's dead retard. Pointless hypothetical. As is, he was a socialist, just a shit, traitorous one.
Also the BNW/1984 dichotomy in general is one of the most brainlet tier 'debates' in literature, so who cares.

>Orwell would be a socialist today?
Orwell was already complaining about pic related even in the 1930s and 40s. His belief in socialism was based on a fundamental belief in the dignity of labour and the right of working people to live a decent life, so the answer is probably yes.

What does "meaningful life" even mean? And why does meaning matter if you are genuinely happy?

"Meaning" is such a nebolous thing I wouln't know how to define it, but why is genuine happiness so important? And what even is genuine happiness? is being kept in an artificial, drugged blissful state of euphoria "genuine happiness"?

What is more important in life than happiness? Aristotle recognizes it as the meaning and purpose of life, but you don't need an appeal to authority to understand why happiness is paramount if you've ever felt it.
The people of Brave New World weren't happy because they were drugged, they were happy because they were conditioned since they were zygotes for their future life, and the conditioning was apparently unbreakable when Bernard attempted to reach Lenina.

1984 is basedcore. BNW is for non-npcs that are actually aware of things.

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You are not "genuinely" happy

>they were happy because they were conditioned since they were zygotes for their future life
And is that genuine happiness? And if it is, does it matter if the process to reach that state of uniform genuine happiness in the whole society is reached by immoral acts?

Fist off doing drugs non stop =/= genuinely happy. It's quit the opposite really.
And meaning comes from the Lord we can find it if we look for it. It's not one thing that is the same for everyone.

I want to tell all of you something you probably don't know. Whether to agree with it, is your own business, but I want you to at least assume the possibility, nothing more.

Both 1984 and BNW we at the end of the day influenced by Zamyatin's "We". The novel also clearly influenced Anthem and later Ayn Rand's writings as well.

In other words, it pretty much created the literary genre of dystopia as we now know it.

What I offer is a curious glimpse beyond for those who cares for primary sources.

The first thing Zamyatin has ever written was a short story, called "One". It was written in an extremely abstract, disjointed, vague and most of all subjective style, that still very much glimpses in "We". It appeared in 1907.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS I HAVE MANAGED TO RECOGNIZE THAT STYLE THAT SHORT STORY WAS WRITTEN IN. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT WAS SHOPLIFTED FROM.

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Neither, and anybody claiming that they did become true is a cliché infatuated simpleton.

>genuine happiness?
Happiness is happiness dude. If it's there than that's all there is to it. The people of the setting in BNW have it always at hand.

You can cut a cake whatever way you want, but you can't ignore the fact that the majority of people in BNW were happy their entire life without doing anything they considered misdeeds. Any sins to get there were from previous generations.

There were unhappy people in brave new world though

There exists a very, very obscure book, written in Russian (and never translated into any other language), in pre-reform/pre-revolutionary Russian orthography (and never, ever republished past first and only edition), ~250 pages long. It was the only novel written by its author, said author later became a psychiatric ward patient, later yet perished from tuberculosis.

That novel is called "Tishina i Starik" (literally, "The Silence and The Old Man"), and its author is Mikhail Pantyuhov. There isn't even a text-document formatted text of it anywhere, it only exists digitally in a form of dirty image scans in pre-reform Russian. THIS is the only scan I know of (was later refitted to 8 mb):
нэб.pф/catalog/000199_000009_003743023/viewer/

It was published in 1907, and, My God, Zamyatin's style is essentially from there.

There was 2 from the citizens.

>being happy non stop =/= being happy non stop
>I decide what genuine happiness is by using my retarded arbitrary rules
>NOOOOO stop being happy that's not '''''genuine''''' does not fit with my narative aaagggghhhhhh
Lmao what a bunch of fucking brainlets

This, if you would want brave new world there’s no reason you shouldn’t want Christian society

Your link doesn’t work, user.

Try this:
нэб.pф/catalog/000199_000009_00374

Also, the 8mb version:
vivaldi.nlr.ru/bx000006169/file

Oh, for fuck's sake.
Just google "нэб.pф", follow to the site, then append the rest of the link to it. Also concerns the first link.

you arent happy