The only truth you should be concerned with is the following: For most of human history, we were hunter gatherers. We lived in the wild, we hunted, we foraged, we survived. For over 100,000 years we lived like this and spread across the globe. We were bred for that life, our bodies are tuned to it. And for millions of years before modern humans, the species we descended from lived in the wild too. But very recently, in only the past 10,000-15,000 years we discovered agriculture, civilisation, technology, society. We are adaptable, but not blank slates. We can only bend so much, and where we find ourselves now is far far too much.
We're not ready for this, we're not adapted to it, if we ever evolve to suit this new world it would take millions of years, and there's no guarantee we even will. Every issue in the world, every soul rendering pain, every question, everything that makes you toss and turn at night is a result of this incompatibility. Depression, listlessness, apathy, constant striving after arbitrary goals and dreams, obsession with success, never ending desire. It's all the same root cause.
Whether the strides we made were good or bad are irrelevant, what use is curing cancer when thousands of people kill themselves every day? We're simply not ready, and as long as we remain so life will torment you.
>The Everlasting Man is a Christian apologetics book written by G. K. Chesterton Go back to your sand box, Timmy
Henry Taylor
You are the second worst kind of poster, only namedropping a book without giving a reason or telling how is it related to the post you're adressing. The worst kind of poster is OP, making threads that aren't related to literature
You write off ideas you don't consider legitimate as shitposting or trolling. It's pathetic and sad.
Mason Walker
Wow what an interesting take I’ve never heard that one before
Jeremiah Thompson
I've also heard that one before, maybe its from a book I don't know, but nvm, maybe its even OP's personal thoughts.
OP, why do you think people would create an environment that is innately hostile towards people? I do get that history is chaotic and obeys little to no laws, but I am almost certain that people have a certain pattern of thinking and therefore cannot create anything beyond their own cognitive limits, and their cognitive limits are focused on their comfort.
Btw isn't that a lot like Unabomber?
Cooper Johnson
You speak as if those developments did not emanate from ourselves, as if it's origins was in a cause external to man, imposed on us.
Who are you to say what are the ends and goals of the spirit that dreams in us? :^)
>Use rod, catch fish >Use net, catch lots of fish >Use many nets on a boat, catch so much fish it rots before your village can eat it all Comfort is a hard thing to escape, even if you eventually realise it's bad for you. But most people don't realise it, they just accept life as how it is. The first fishermans grandson never knew what life was like before fishing, in his mind it always was and always will be. The thought of whether it was anything but good never crosses his mind. So if he starts to feel bad, he looks inward, clearly he's the one with the problem. Society reinforces and teaches this. Even the people at the top of the pile don't escape this, but they strive towards it anyway because the comfort of knowing they're above many other people helps muffle the pain of reality.
It all comes back to the unique ability of humans to be so self aware of their own consciousness that they're like robots trying to compute the square root of 0.
Leo Green
Would you agree alcohol is fun?
Would you give a person who's never drank before an entire bottle of whiskey in the space of 5 minutes? Same principle, longer period of time.
Dylan Perry
You couldn't possibly know the timeframe man needs to adapt to modernity...
Yet you think we're not adapted right? Why, fucking depression and increasing suicide rates? :/
Hudson Cox
Was meant to
Nathaniel Gray
>You couldn't possibly know the timeframe man needs to adapt to modernity... I know it hasn't happened and it doesn't look likely to happen anytime soon
Anthony Sanders
>Why, fucking depression and increasing suicide rates? And many other things. How else would you explain depression and suicide rates?
Cameron Nelson
There has to be a more moderate explanation to it without blaming the entire civilization, for example now we have better access to statistics and surveillance, therefore we know record more suicides, than ever before, doesn't mean that the proportion of suicidals and depressives has grown since like 500 years ago, even though it probably did, nobody could tell the numbers
Alexander Powell
Not him, but yes. Read some Klages. The spirit is an external invader to the human form and is the root of all striving, egotism, etc.
Henry Price
>For most of human history, we were hunter gatherers. False. Also completely and utterly without any evidence.
Dylan Cook
Really? That's the best you got?
Jesus christ...
Leo James
>Hunting and gathering was presumably the subsistence strategy employed by human societies beginning some 1.8 million years ago, by Homo erectus, and from its appearance some 0.2 million years ago by Homo sapiens. Prehistoric hunter-gatherers lived in groups that consisted of several families resulting in a size of a few dozen people.[7] It remained the only mode of subsistence until the end of the Mesolithic period some 10,000 years ago, and after this was replaced only gradually with the spread of the Neolithic Revolution. Fuck off idiot
Nathaniel Baker
Prove me wrong then. I had thoughts like yours as well but decided that merely saying "we are not suited for the environment we created" is too easy an answer and that everything is too complicated for me to know
So prove your point if you want me to believe you
Ryan Reed
>but decided that merely saying "we are not suited for the environment we created" is too easy an answer and that everything is too complicated for me to know Then please shut up because you're a fucking idiot
Ryan Cox
Nice just-so story, but where is the evidence?
Chase Nelson
What's your alternate hypothesis?
We absorbed sunlight for nourishment? Aliens?
Benjamin Nelson
muh modernity bad 'cause bald apes keep killing themselves for no reason other that modernity bad
my depression comes from being dumped by a girl, my obsession with success comes from my desire to dominate and conquer new territories, even if i just expand my business, my apathy comes from jerking five times a day
yet it's all the same root cause. congrats OP, you figured it out
Jack Fisher
Primitive agriculture and primitive animal husbandry. Or maybe hunting and no gathering. Or maybe we subsisted on pine nuts only.
Point is, we don't know and any attempt to claim a 'scientific' basis is pure, unadulterated, toxic bullshit.
Camden Sanders
Whose "we"?
Logan Perry
>Point is, we don't know We do know, shut the fuck up you 14 year old
Kevin Ramirez
Humanity you autist
Levi Jenkins
Rather broad brush there. Did every human's ancestor at some point participate in hunter-gatherer society? Are you sure?
Isaiah Bennett
No, some of them ran off into the woods and smeared shit all over their body. Then they spent the rest of the day trying to sneak up on bears from downwind of them. Then one day they raped a down syndrome grugette and out you popped.
What case? You're just being a pedantic retard. If you refuse to accept basic human history, then you're hopeless. You think humans climbed down from the trees and lived off breeding goats and wheat, immediately? Get a grip.
Agriculture is a recent discovery, we were hunter gatherers.
Thomas Taylor
Lack of spirituality. Materialism was a mistake.
Matthew Torres
Prove it.
Bentley Jenkins
false, humans cannot create anything alien to themselves, conflict is the meaning of life and its everlasting, all pain stems from repression or failure.
As you say OP, we were hunter gatherers for many times the human modern history. Language, meaning, civilization and the execution of human reason over matter to the present scale, it is, in terms of the planet, novelty. A strange strain of collective and individual behavior.
Over the signs we have created a game, economy. Over this game we funded the roots of technology, science and meanings and we are trying to transform the map into territory. We want to become gods.
I have to be honest with all of you. I'm into magick, science and philosophy because I want to beat death. The best shot today is going full Neuralink. I want to beat death, but somebody told me is the worst mistake of the XXI century. Even inside the void, I listen to a voice. An old memory. An old friend. An old enemy.
