Some cold hard truths Yea Forums has to face to move forward

>the best way to counter it is to point out this fact intelligently
that's what OP wants you to do

>bait this good
Bon appetite, OP.

Kendrick Lamar has nothing interesting to say. Any appearance of self-awareness or depth he has is phony.

Let him be an immature child. You should not lower yourself to the level of mentally challenged twitter posters. Join the Meme Jihad, and counter all mind numbing memery. It is the only way to save this board.

word up

you shouldn't sincerely argue with people who are trolling though

it's not really that good is it tho

>All Yea Forums posters who see racism/sexism/transphobia or ableism on this board should report it instantly then HIDE the thread it came from.

>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
>Rap records will outlast most white poets
>men SHOULD step aside and let women speak

>racism/sexism ... report it instantly then HIDE the thread it came from.

You got it! :^)

There used to be a "don't feed the troll" policy on this board. The best thing to do is to leave an intelligent response, and if you see that they respond with more trolling to just ignore. Please do not spam mindless Twitter lingo or frog memes. Join the Meme Jihad, and help fix this board. Post intelligently.

Yo hum bo didda binna ma bix
Do dum hitta gon munna fa tix

Not an argument.

A thread died for this. Which is a shame because rap is obviously the most culturally relevant form of poetry today, but everything else is just dull pol bait

Ayo, you better flee hops, or get your head flown three blocks
L keep rappers' hearts pumpin' like Reeboks
And every year I gain clout and my name sprouts
Some brothers'd still be virgins if crack never came out
I got the wild style, always been a foul child
My guns go "BOOM BOOM!" and yo' guns go "pow pow"

Better than most lame poetry. It has balls. It has gusto. It has juice.

See only cringy people like rap

Wtf is after rap? Is it the logical conclusion of popular music?

that's rich

>>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
Sure
>>Rap records will outlast most white poets (a thousand years from now, people will reference kendrick lamar over any 20th cent. poet)
Half-right.
>>The decolonisation/dewhitening of western literature is ultimately a good thing for the progression of society
True.
>>Quotas actually let POC/minorities have an equal footing against more privileged classes
True
>>There is such thing as a value on a piece of art
Be more specific
>>men SHOULD step aside and let women speak
More or less, yeah
>>All Yea Forums posters who see racism/sexism/transphobia or ableism on this board should report it instantly then HIDE the thread it came from.
True.

C’mon, if it’s liked by the politically correct it can’t be cool.

one more
>Existentialism was awesome because it elevated the concerns of intelligent teenagers into a coherent and serious philosophy. I’m going to die. The universe doesn’t give a shit. How do I go on?

[VERY IMPORTANT]

Message to all POC's, to all Leftists, and to all who think jungle mumble music is poetry:

vocaroo.com/i/s1skSp4z45Ci

wtf ur an incel FREAK

There's no such thing as "decolonisation/dewhitening of western literature". Thats a completely false and absurd hypothesis because it implies Nigs have created Literature of worth in the West beyond what's already known, when it's clearly not the case and it implies Nigs are responsible for the some of the works written by Westerners, which is false and dishonest. Western Literature was never colonised, Western Literature belongs to the West itself.

that guy had to take 2 breaths in a 15 second sentence. can you imagine how fat he must be

Why do you consider that rap is a form of poetry?

well of course it is

>consider

black people are now part of the conversation you tried to alienate them to for so many years. they're exceeding at a faster rate then any white person ever did. chill out and 'lax cause we aren't going to stop.

Rap is still a thing? I stopped listening to pop music in like the early 00s.

no, rap music stopped when you stopped listening to it

>they're exceeding at a faster rate then any white person ever did
They still talk like monkeys, so not really that fast. ESL person here btw.

good to know

>racism outside of Yea Forums

cringe.

Not really, country is making a hilarious comeback in the void of talent

>well of course it is
i don't see it, can you explain me why?
>black people are now part of the conversation you tried to alienate them to for so many years. they're exceeding at a faster rate then any white person ever did. chill out and 'lax cause we aren't going to stop.
sorry but this doesn't answer my question. White people can rap too.

youtube.com/watch?v=TAjtV15HOXY

I like country. Johnny Cash, anyway.

>>Quotas actually let POC/minorities have an equal footing against more privileged classes
I used to think this way until I saw a examples of this in the real world and realized it doesn't work because the spots that are created get filled by lazy retards who didn't deserve the spot in the first place.

They do. The noises they make barely classify as English.

Yeah it’s not that country

>ayo check one two check one...ooga booga ayo muh dik bix nood

>White people can rap too.

you know you've lost where you post a person rapping in malaysian when english is hiphops native tongue

Niggerbabble

Any body else notice the general boredom most people have been showing with rap online lately? I find it very interesting seeing how it may mark a slow decline and inevitable death of the genre and I’m interested in what will come next.

This, things like feminism are progressing to the point where they’re hurting women by promoting the untalented on the arbitrary basis of identity

took your last advice, hiding this thread now

Isn’t a white guy the most successful rapper ever

i'd like to hear what definition of poetry excludes rap music?

Oh, so you admit it? Your finaly evolving to the level is white people have been ok for centuries and are entering your renaissance. Maybe your people will reach teh dominance you claim to hold, but so far it seems the light of this world will burn out before you move past the gang violence and substances abuse

>“If I was black, I would’ve sold half”

Rap can only go so far. Nigs have already spent all their "muh skin muh hood muh moneys muh crime muh fame muh white boogeyman" nonsense.

None. But just cause it’s realevent and popular doesn’t mean it’s good.

lol spaniards can't rap? is it rap an english monopoly? i can post some other white rappers if you like

youtube.com/watch?v=ecw1sMKq5ME

High profile promotion of nigs is elite, urban white people making money off them, deriving amusement from them, and using them as a bioweapon against non-elite whites

i don't know. white writers have wrote about the same thing for millenia

and which one includes rap? as far as i know poetry only includes poetry, excluding all derivations

>everything that happens to the white man and is good is cause he’s white
>anything bad that happens to the black man is because he’s black
Ok retard

I bet that black artists are more popular with black people than white artists. Reality is black people are a minority, they hardly exist. They wouldn’t suffer these problems if they lived in a black ethnostate, and that’s a whole lot simpler than trying to maintain equal race populations all over the world. Speaking of why don’t you complain about the threat to equality posed by the sheer number of black people world wide? Aren’t whites the real minority? Can you tel me what your plan is for affirmative action for whites? Is there one?

that's true. but just because poems are respected & critically appraised doesn't mean they're good

White writers were smart. Nigs aren't.

do you ever listen to yourself?

Can you answer a single point? Or is the left basically just a facade, a big lie?

Not a single thing you said was true. Read Guenon...and then pic related.

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why not robert graves': the more-or-less deliberate attempt, with the help of a rhythmic mesmerism, to impose an illusion of actual experience on the minds of others

Fair enough. But you can’t argue that one doesn’t have more substance than the other and modern mass produced repetition rather than individual expression of complex ideas is more interesting to me than another copy pasted African American preaching guns, girls, and gold. But that’s just for me

Not an argument

Are dr. Sues books novels?

no. really?

^ the pathetic and stupid left

Oral poetry has always been popular and will remain so. Rhythm and poetry is the highest form of poetry because it cares for syllabes and musicality, so it peaks both the soul and the ears, whereas a lot of poetry is horrendous and out of touch. However, poetry has Divine Comedy and Rumi whereas rap doesn't, but in a few hundred years or decades we'll probably see something of that magnitude. Even now, if you go to the underground there's some talented people. I don't actually care about poetry as a medium, only transforming rap to a higher art than what it is. I don't really care if some stiff guy in his 30s thinks rapper is 'ooga booga dr seus' because it's not an argument. It just shows how little they listen to rap. They probably think Eminem is the best still.

Dents, Nicks, Cracks, Splints and other Swedish laments
The best poetry barely makes sense - Canibus

Take a listen
youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8g4FCNYtQ

i can argue that. that's just what i will argue. on the simple basis that we should take each thing on it's merits.
and you should consider, the main theme of all poetry has been girls, and guns haven't played a small part either

you can't write a rap though, it would be the most basic rhymes

>Rap records will outlast most white poets
No. Rap dates itself horribly with a bunch of pop culture references.

>rappers care for syllables
Lol

learn to use the internet youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8g4FCNYtQ

i am what’s reflected
off a surface
multifaceted
a blend of several
imperfect blurry photos
shattering

if you write something with better rhyme and syllabes than this then you'll win the argument okay?

Rakim is already forgotten.

popularity fallacy fuck off

Rappers eat syllables liberally to force a rhyme, whatever your point is, that rappers have respect to syllables is retarded

The original statement was that rap will outlast. It's already fading fast.

Reggaeton is the new pop music. Rap's days are numbered.

pointing out how they use rhyme is not a critique. you can't write like it, if you wrote one it would be a white person saying 'cat and hat' as a joke to mock what they think rap is.

>with the help of a rhythmic mesmerism
rap hasn't poetic meters. Should be songs considered poetry?

While what you do say is true I must add that while they’re poems heavily centered around those topics poets have a higher tendency to explore more complex ideas whereas rap doesn’t as often. I also wanna clarify I see rap as the poor mans poetry not making it any less legitimate but still nevertheless not elegant

it's in a grey area between song and poetry.
i evolve in this higher dawn sunlit fly along
tumbling in this undertow that bluntly roams this sky of ours
i’m filled with molecules each stuffed with what’s inside a star
what fuels this aviation radiating from inside my heart
the magic conjured massive blossoms macrocosm popcorn
catalyzed by gravitons that magnified a lightstorm

poor mans poetry, look at the rhymes

>it's in a grey area between song and poetry.
so it isn't poetry

you don't know what poetry means.

rap does have meter.

which one? need sources on that
i do know nothing. i'm just here to learn from you guys

read the example

>complex ideas
not really. not the very good poems. most often a poem is the resolution of a deep inner conflict.
and poetry's goal shouldn't be to be elegant. you've probably highlighted the main point people hold against rap music: their misunderstanding what poetry is.

Interesting. May I know the name of this artist so I can check out some of there work

pick any

it's a very obscure rapper i found on youtube that has mostly metaphysical raps.

youtube.com/watch?v=kNVzGu7eYP0

I’m sorry but if your inner conflict is a struggle between hyper materialism and popularity I don’t think your a very interesting and meaningful person at all

yours is only one level above that, 'the existential'.

I’ll check it out and see what I think but thank you

Doesn’t have to souly pertain to existential but it’s something common people struggle with. There’s tons of other subjects that are regularly explored that are hardly ever even touched upon in rap and that’s blatant

Such as? Ill find a rap that says it

oh really you don't think kanye west is interesting?

Literally everything asides from your first opinion is objectively wrong.

which metre is it. i've counted an irregular number of sylabes in the stanza

Not generally no, but compared to his contemporaries yes

no my friend, look at the intricacy of the rhyme

The Alamo

i'm not talking about ryme, i'm talking about metres. you know, sylabes and all that.

well shakespeare wrote about that you know

The point isn’t whester or not you can find one obscure fucking rapper who mentions off hand a subject. It’s the point that the overwhelming majority of rappers are generic and boring to any one who doesn’t wanna LARP as a fucking gang member

the majority of poetry is overwhelmingly not true poetry

Not arguing in favor of Shakespeare

Not true, say what you want about the past, shitters didn’t get promoted

are you joking?

bix nood muh nigGUH

muh nigGUH

Only difference is now I have to hear the peasantry complain

no, of course. why would you do that

And yet most oral tradition is lost to time

Soundcloud is putting the final nail in the rap coffin, thank god.

Rap is a folk art. Please don't tie it into gangstar rap, the Jews are behind that, it's well documented. Nobody is saying those 90 something IQ rappers are worthy of being analysed, but the best rappers most definitely are.
cringe

well probably they have money

That’s what I meant when I called it poor mans poetry before. It’s poetry for the lower class and there’s nothing wrong with that but it’s a different thing than traditional poetry

that's such a stupid thing to say

Well I guess really it’s the rich trying to appeal to the peasantry but it’s diluting my aristocratic pursuits and I’m not having it

A lot of it is, as I've provided in this thread, not all of it is centered towars the 'lower class'. Btw most of the best poems were written by the 'lower class'.

well the real aristocracy have always felt at home with the working class, it's the middle class who don't

Yeah, there’s outliers but overall we agree

Of course they did, many still do. It’s when the guiotines come out and heads roll when the aristocratic find there true place

i dont like 90% of poetry either, but i dont like when people focus on rap like most poetry isnt vapid shit

Nice doggerel you posted

I don’t take anyone or anything that makes music videos seriously

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>w-well let's ss-see you write b-better!
Quite simply not an argument.

never happened in england

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send better
show me a poet that rhymes like that, don't reply telling me you don't care about rhyme, i don't care that you don't care

>send better
Better what?

The English had a good colonial empire that kept all good and fat enough to ever want to rise against there handlers. It was only after the massive downsizing of its territories did the punk movement open up the discussion of anarchy in the uk

>show me a poet that rhymes like that
Why? His rhymes are awful

i'm sorry that you don't know what a 'multisylalbic rhyme' is and you still think rap is 'cat and hat', hopefully you'll stop humilating yourself and stop talking about a form you are not familiar with. if you have something to add to the discussion, feel free to show me a poet that has similiar rhyming technique.

Stringing together words that sound similar is hardly difficult but adding a splash of pashion and individuality in your art and I’ll respect you

are you ESL?

>arguing with shadows
It's ok to like doggerel user, don't worry about it.

The ramblings of an afrocentric cultist will always be ugly.

>feel free to show me a poet that has similiar rhyming technique.
Why would I want to show you a poet with a bad rhyming technique?

Odd comment, the 'splash of passion' and individuality is an element in written poetry too, not sure why you are applying it here.
Why is it Afrocentric?
You still view poetry like it's Tudor England because you have no technical understanding of rhyme which is why you like cat/hat rhymes or poor couplets that are mere basic abstractions of a form that has been perfected via rap.

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>Why is it Afrocentric?
Rakim is a 5%er. When he asks "who is god?" the answer is the black man. How do you defend poems that you don't even understand?

>You still view poetry like it's Tudor England because you have no technical understanding of rhyme which is why you like cat/hat rhymes or poor couplets that are mere basic abstractions of a form that has been perfected via rap.
What a long way to say absolutely nothing at all. You appear to have no technical understanding of prosody whatsoever and have been singularly unable to prove otherwise in this entire thread.

B-B-B-BASED

When you really look into it, about 80% of hip hop is oral scripture for one cult or another.

No, it's very mystical though. 5% do not believe in what they show you.
You have no technical understanding of poetry so you think your Tudor cat in the hat rhymes are better than the most advanced multis, again, add to the discussion or leave

Women should not speak

>You have no technical understanding of poetry so you think your Tudor cat in the hat rhymes are better than the most advanced multis, again, add to the discussion or leave
Incorrect. You are blocking intellectual progress. Go back.

>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
Sure
>Rap records will outlast most white poets (a thousand years from now, people will reference kendrick lamar over any 20th cent. poet)
Lmoa sure
>The decolonisation/dewhitening of western literature is ultimately a good thing for the progression of society
The opposite is truth, but ok
>Quotas actually let POC/minorities have an equal footing against more privileged classes
No it doesn't. Quotas generally put less qualified people in positions due to unchangable factors. If you want POC to have equal footing against higher classes, educate them the way the higher classes are educated, don't say "accept this applicant due to being [non-white non-asian] race". Give them the same environments, don't funnel them upwards and expect them to know what to do automatically.
>There is such thing as a value on a piece of art
Not sure what this means
>men SHOULD step aside and let women speak
Women should have something worthwhile to speak in the first place, then they might deserve the platform after they earned the right to hold it just as men do
>All Yea Forums posters who see racism/sexism/transphobia or ableism on this board should report it instantly then HIDE the thread it came from.
I'll report your thread for insinuating that POC/women are incapable of bettering themselves and need the bar lowered by [I'm assuming white] males to hold any notable place in society.

lol

The definition of blocking intellectual progress is believing that one syllable rhymes are superior to multis. Don't bother replying again unless you have substance. I don't care if you keep repeating tudor cat/hat rhymes are better dude

>5% do not believe in what they show you.
The 5%ers believe that the black man is god. It's the central part of their theology. All the silly numerology comes later.

What part of the rap insinuates that?

>People will talk about Kendrick Lamar.
Not even close. The western canon is the western canon because of it's influence and staying power. Every rapper will be replaced.

>Dewhitening is a good thing.
Potentially, but not this way not by just being racist against white people to make up for their ancestors. That isn't equality. It's arbitrary victim politics.

>Value on a piece of art.
Define your terms.

>Let women speak.
Who isn't letting women speak? This again is not an issue. We have equality. Demanding that every man shut up for every woman or be accused of sexism, however, is just belligerent retarded sexism.

Here's some bad news for you to accept:
Equality cannot exist. Because people use equality differently and make themselves unequal. Further enforcing equality only makes it so that the hardest working of us see the least payoff and the most worthless of us see the most.

>influence

popularity fallacy, fuck off retard

Guess how I know you're an illiterate chimp?

Black rappers that subscribe to that idealogy openly

Don't ever talk to me again with your doggerel championing nonsense. Don't poison the discourse further with your lies and obfuscation. You have not made a single coherent argument about why your nigger nig nig is anything but a nigger nig nig even though anyone who is not a silly little boy like you can see that this is the case. The rhymes are poor: FACT. They lack sophistication: FACT. They do not scan: FACT. They are belabored and awkward: FACT. No grace. No artistry. Pure masturbation by a literary brainlet absorbed and fapped over by a disgusting little sponge like you.

Goodbye. I have blocked you forever

>It even tells us we are Gods in the Holy Qu'ran
>Wisdom Strength and Beauty, one of the meanings of God>
>G.O.D. you and me Gomar Oz Dubar
>Knowledge Wisdom Understanding Sun Moon and Star
>Man Woman and Child, and so is Allah

This part.

hahaha you used the popularity fallacy....hahaha man you cant use that
hahahah you didnt even point out the fucking line in the rap you just say some lemming view of 5%ers like you understand what it means. the east is far ahead the west in terms of philosophy.
mystical, not 'black'.
one syllable rhymes arent better than multis cmon man youre humilating yourself, bring an argument

>one syllable rhymes arent better than multis
not him I'm his twin brother. Multis are decadent garbage. Simplicity trumps complexity in poetical matters. You cannot refute this. You won' even try. Want to know how I know? Hmmm? I bet you do. I'm waiting.

Wow... Sweaty.... Self. Crit. Now. .... Fr*ckin' racists I fr*ck*n swear!!!!

>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
It is the most mainstream. I fail to see what this proves other than it's popularity, which I don't think anybody is actually contending. This is self evident.
>Rap records will outlast most white poets
Nobody can know. I'm sure many rap records will maintain relevancy longer than most poetry, and some poetry will outlast most rap records.
>The decolonisation/dewhitening of western literature is ultimately a good thing for the progression of society
You provide neither a framework for how you define "good," nor do you actually provide evidence to substantiate this argument. You have not because you cannot, unless you are some future seeing oracle. It is beyond your ability to correctly make a claim like this.
>Quotas actually let POC/minorities have an equal footing against more privileged classes
Nobody has argued that quotas produce equity. The false assumption of this philosophy is that statistical desparaties in populations are in themselves evidence of discrimination, which is simply incorrect. Nobody can know what the ehtnic population of a specific group or environment will be without discrimination, as different cultures and different people tend towards different occupations and interests. It is not within the power of the government, or any group of people, to divine what the statistical distribution of ethnic populations within a given field "ought" to be. Quotas, in essence, are the opposite of equal opportunity, which is explicitly what the Civil Rights Act of 1964 intended to exercise. If an employee suspects his employer of discriminatory practice, he should approach it as one would any other civil case, providing evidence and proof that this employer has violated the rights of employees to not be discriminated by race. Suggesting that issues like this should be resolved before they actually happen by a single person or group of people who assign arbitrary rates that they deem "ideal" for their vision of race distributions is completely backwards to the simple and plain meanings of civil rights laws.
>There is such thing as a value on a piece of art
It is subjective, just as any other commodity.
>men SHOULD step aside and let women speak
Okay.
>All Yea Forums posters who see racism/sexism/transphobia or ableism on this board should report it instantly then HIDE the thread it came from.
Okay.

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>. Multis are decadent garbage. Simplicity trumps complexity in poetical matters. You cannot refute this. Y

aaaaa it takes more skill to say what you're saying within that frame than it does to give one sylalbe rhymes. thats like saying getting a kill in a video game 2 minutes apart is better than getting 4 in a row, youre an idiot :')

>>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
hahaha you used the popularity fallacy....hahaha man you cant use that

>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
>Rap records will outlast most white poets
You define both of these as the same thing and then immediately assert them as separate in the second line. What the fuck are you doing?

Is there something in rap the western edgelord tradition of De Sade,
Rimbaud, Bukowski etc... didn't do? Shieeet, even niggardry is white invention.

This, the most popular latin pop artists (J balvin, Bad bunny) are already equally, if not more, popular than the most famous rappers. And just wait until hispanic demographics explode

>poetry is like videogames
LOL you just refuted yourself zoomer brainlet! Back to the fourth form!

>aaaaa it takes more skill to say what you're saying within that frame than it does to give one sylalbe rhymes.
If only you had some skill to type this out coherently

>>men SHOULD step aside and let women speak
Yeah, not like there's a generations long history of oppressing women in rap music.

>mystical, not 'black'.
You don't understand his religious claims. Just look at this line:
>Bear witness to Allah, gave birth to all
>For Allah was all, and therefore, life itself
>And the universe gave birth to man
>The universe was man, and man was the universe
the 5%ers believe that the original black man is the original man and god, the "life itself" that he describes as "Allah." The white man is the devil grafted into existence by an evil scientist. Not the life he describes as "Allah." I've heard an other 5%er claim that white people like zombie shows so much because we are zombies.

His adherence to that religion can be seen by his constant references to the Supreme Mathematics (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation#The_Universal_Language). You can't understand these lyrics without some knowledge of their theology. You don't understand why he's using the words that he's used, so I don't get why you claim to enjoy it.

no, its like sufism, rakim is more into that, he isnt racist

Niggers can play The Dozens on the go - that's rap. Whites can't, they need to write it down first. It's a bit like speed chess (surprise, GMs are black!) or jazz. No capacity whatsoever for anything long term, but can improvise on the spot.

maybe their mode of thinking is more exoteric whereas the pensive writer is an esoteric thinker? some of the best rappers tend to be introverts though

The "Supreme Mathematics" is exclusive to the 5%ers. Even the Sufis would call it shirk and bidah. The 5%ers also claim to not hate whites, but they still see us as grafted devils.

dilate

We already live in a culture that parses out good rap from bad rap. Statistically speaking, if the best "good rap" rises among the thousands upon thousands of wannabee rap stars, there's a chance that at least one rapper will be looked back on as one of the greats, who's likeness will be compared to Shakespeare. Granted, the comparison will be made with respect to how great we think Shakespeare is now to how we perceive a "great rapper" to be. Although, music and the written word are incomparable mediums for the reason that vocal quality and expression leads the comparison to be in-congruent. Odds are, rappers will be compared with other rappers, as it is the easiest medium to become successful in, as the minimum needed to rap is an ego and an iota of masculinity. Successful rappers are socially deceitful, as well as mentally unstable, prone to violence and crime, and the like. Some rappers demonstrate instances of clever wordplay, but let's face the fact that that level of wit is minuscule compared to some of the great poets. Whichever way you slice it, rap isn't a medium that currently lends itself to a rich traditional tapestry. It won't until the culture that propagates it develops far past self-sufficiency. Maybe the last part is a stretch, but I'd argue it in this context (with minor reference to a politics) to see how it goes.

he has an eclectic mix and doesnt subscribe to the racist doctrine, i hope you know that all religions have a flaw, you need to think perrenially

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Yeah the only difference is most modern religions aren’t tolerated if they express there prejudice

It boils down to impulse control. As for introverts, they can be extremely quick witted in public. But only for a brief (half a dozen hours or so) time period when they burn bright until exhausted.

Sure, but the central claim of the religion he references the most directly in that song is that the black man is god and in turn, the white man is the devil. They don't have much else to them.

Here's some other food for thought.

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it's basically black man freemasonry, its a big larp

>We already live in a culture that parses out good rap from bad rap. Statistically speaking, if the best "good rap" rises among the thousands upon thousands of wannabee rap stars, there's a chance that at least one rapper will be looked back on as one of the greats, who's likeness will be compared to Shakespeare.
As with other commodified art forms, this is self evident. No agency is subsidizing the works of artists in this field, thus they are subject to the preferences of consumers to dictate their level of success. This is natural amongst any medium or artist who's existence and work depends on their economic success. I fail to see, however, how this implies their works will rival Shakespeare. For one, rap and shakespeare work in traditionally different mediums and in different eras of human history. They possess different levels of desirability amongst different people and for different reasons. They are not congruent in their audience's preferences. We are not comparing a linear scenario, they are two fundamentally different systems. It is the measure of desirability by consumers that brings rappers success, and it may be that lack of desirability for Shakespeare which leads some to consume rap rather than Shakespeare. Any comparisons to Shakespeare, in truth, would only be speaking to the emotional appeal of asserting a specific individual as being profilic, or esteemed, despite how meaningless the statement would actually be.
>the minimum needed to rap is an ego and an iota of masculinity
You are confusing tendencies and requirements. The more fundamentally necessity of rap ability is charisma and the ability to emote. I do not mean charisma in the traditional sense of sociability, but in the form it takes in how actors and singers emote with their performance. Rap is performance, it has nothing to do with masculinity or ego, regardless of how you common you perceive these characteristics to be.
>Successful rappers are socially deceitful, as well as mentally unstable, prone to violence and crime, and the like.
Is this substantiated by evidence? Or is this another "notion" conceived without empirical evidence. This statement is very much identifiable with data, you are not pronouncing an abstract truth, but a literal tendency amongst a profession. It would, I think, be more accurate to say that rap, as a career, is more closely associated with criminal identities and activity, which can be proven both by the frequency of prolific rappers that commit crimes in comparison to musicians of different genres. This is far separated from saying that rappers are socially deceitful. This is a blanket statement devoid of any merit.
>Some rappers demonstrate instances of clever wordplay, but let's face the fact that that level of wit is minuscule compared to some of the great poets.
The desirability of both forms of work is subjective, as previously mentioned.

The only rap worth listening to is MF Doom and Death Grips

the paleface White teenager who is more black than you is telling you how to be black, just listen to MF DOOM and Death Grips he says

Holy...now that's a wrap

Thanks for pointing these things out. I don't really put much thought into comparing artistic mediums. I try to appreciate each for what they individually set out to communicate. I appreciate anons like you. How would you go about categorizing rap and poetry? Where are they similar? Where are they different? Are they more different than similar? Does this warrant them to be viewed as categorically separate art forms? Or is there another reason?

This

Rap is shit as a general rule, like most poetry. Its usefulness as an artform is, like poetry, measured solely by the people who perform with it, not by its actual form, content, or structure. There isn't a Shakespeare of rap, at least not yet.

Western literature is white. White people wrote it, preserved it, and it belongs to them. You can no more separate white people from Western literature than you can any other culture from its literature. Tying social progress to the destruction of a race's culture and history is meme-tier.

Quotas devalue art by creating a mathematical basis for quality, rather than allowing the quality of an artist's work to impact society positively. No one pays attention to quota-based work because there is no quality driven aspect to be admired.

Art is valued based on culture, not on any inherent value.

Women speak all the time.

Dilate.

Who fucking cares anymore

I love when rap is just a series of random non-sequiturs about how great the rapper is and whatever braindead observations occur to him while writing
not sarcasm btw i actually like listening to it

>Thinking Affirmative Action helps minorities
Lol

My point was to argue the opposite. Is the Civil Rights Act of 1964 an affirmative action bill?

>implying that's not ugly as hell

>the best rapper is a white male

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i used to like rap when i was a daily stoner and smoking my first joint immediately after waking up. once i laid off the weed i just couldn't listen to it anymore. to the sober mind, it instantly lost any sort of appeal it might have had while high.

>Rap is the most relevant form of poetry today
stooped reading there

based, it's actually Rupi Kaur and other Instagram poets

If you're writing poetry in an attempt to become relevant you're doing it wrong anyway.