Marx needs to be fused with Whitehead if Leftists want to get anywhere

Fucking based
Finally someone who understand this in this damned board

Based schizo poster

Marxism is not egalitarian.

This, it's all slightly different offshoots off whig thought.

I think the differences arise in the conception of history.Marxism posit itself as the end of it, the final revolution, while Liberalism just want to keep going, revolutioning itself over and over, nationalism, neoliberalism, globalism, fascism, they are just its many faces.

Marxism is a reaction against the Industrial Revolution. It's basically feudalism through a Judeo-Protestant lens.

Communism and liberalism are opposed. Liberalism is predicated upon seeing man above all as an individual, while communism sees him above all as species. Liberalism assigns to this individual inalienable rights, while communism denounces those rights as rights of separation that only preserve the bourgeois order. The emergence of liberalism was a precondition for discovering the meaning of the communist movement, but that's about it.

Engels:
>The concept of a socialist society as a realm of equality is a one-sided French concept deriving from the old "liberty, equality, fraternity," a concept which was justified in that, in its own time and place, it signified a phase of development, but which, like all the one-sided ideas of earlier socialist schools, ought now to be superseded, since they produce nothing but mental confusion, and more accurate ways of presenting the matter have been discovered.

Marx:
>My proposals were all accepted by the subcommittee. Only I was obliged to insert two phrases about "duty" and "right" into the preamble to the statutes, ditto "truth, morality, and justice", but these are placed in such a way that they can do no harm.
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>Political democracy is Christian since in it man, not merely one man but everyman, ranks as sovereign, as the highest being, but it is man in his uncivilized, unsocial form, man in his fortuitous existence, man just as he is, man as he has been corrupted by the whole organization of our society, who has lost himself, been alienated, and handed over to the rule of inhuman conditions and elements – in short, man who is not yet a real species-being. That which is a creation of fantasy, a dream, a postulate of Christianity, i.e., the sovereignty of man – but man as an alien being different from the real man – becomes, in democracy, tangible reality, present existence, and secular principle.
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>What would one thing of a chemist who, instead of studying the actual laws governing molecular interactions, and on that basis solving definite problems, claimed to regulate those interactions by means of the 'eternal ideas' or 'natwalité' and 'affinité'! Do we really know any more about 'usury', when we say it contradicticts 'justice éternelle', 'équité éternelle', 'mutualité éternelle', and other 'vérités éternelles' than the fathers of the church did when they said it was incompatible with 'grâce éternelle', 'foi éternelle', and 'la volunté éternelle de Dieu'?

This ultimate version of liberalism you have in mind is anarchism, not communism. A liberal and an anarchist will perfectly understand one another, exalting all those eternal truths as fundamental to their worldview, and agreeing that we ought to, above all, strive for "true democracy". Real disagreement will only be about what's "realistic" and what's not, about whether we should play it safe or shoot for the stars.

>What most leftists fail to realize, including Marxists is that their ideology is a result of liberalism, simply an extreme version of such.
>simply an extreme version of such

you didn't even understand what he said and as a usual commie you're spouting pages of nonsense of other people to cope for it

Oh, and of course there will be lots of scholastic disagreement about which "ethical theory" is actually "true". Is anarchic revolution "morally justified"? The anarchist will spend weeks writing an essay, trying to prove so to the liberal.

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>whitehead
>had a white head because he is bald
ha ha ha ha!

Communism assumes unawares the same unexamined Lockean/Rothbardian/enlightenment anthropology that is assumed a priori by liberalism and every one of its mutations. Communism is ontologically liberal, and Marx was poor metaphysician and even poorer anthropologist.

this is reactionary bullshit it'd be like saying well fascism and capitalism both thrive under hierarchy therefore the two are identical, it's silly and reductive. The only people who unironically think billionaire neoliberals and technocrats are close to marxists are people who assume any movement thats inclusive in some capacity is what Marx wanted. Capitalism is a hollow empty ideology that doesn't behave inclusively because they're liberals and they love everyone, it's inclusive because the more people in the system the more potential markets you can sell your products to. Marxism seeks to find a legitimate connection between people rather than cramming them together out of the need for a profit but instead to pioneer a better humanity, fascism and marxism resemble each other far more than either resembles neoliberal capitalism

based. all liberal thoughts are just performative non-totalitarianism totalitarianism.

Does an apocalypse have a left and a right? How about an up and a down? Not only does it begin when the doomsday clock strikes midnight, it remains midnight the entire time. Total darkness, without hope or measure.

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Whitehead is Neo-China Personified.

Marx+Whitehead=Deleuze

Capitalism doesn't thrive in hierarchy. Capitalism killed Apartheid, Jim Crow, and created gay rights.

Is this the official brainlet thread? Liberalism can never be reconciled with communism because it is predicated on exploitation. As long as corporations continue to profit from the suffering of the workers who live in abject poverty, and who suffer the bulk of the pain caused by liberalism's systematic flaws, liberalism cannot and will not have any claim to be fulfilling the goals of socialism.

>Capitalism killed Apartheid, Jim Crow

Get a load of this dumb motherfucker who thinks capitalism was opposed to a secessionist slave industry, and that the abolitionist government that insisted on the fundamental immorality of a slave labor was more capitalist than said secessionist slave industry.

It was. The Yankee North was far more capitalistic and industrial than the more feudalistic and agrarian Dixie South.

all three were destroyed by Guenon

Jesus Christ, do you even know what capitalism means? The Union were capitalists, the South was feudal.

wtf do you even mean?

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I don't have sound. Give me boiled down argument.

Seems to sort of holistically do away with both dualism and modernity's atomization of nature/experience by categorizing perception and matter as one thing

Okay.

How does that relate to OP? Why do Marx and Whitehead need to be fused if leftists want to get anywhere?

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They kind of espouse the same values i guess, but liberals are idiot in their way of approaching them. If you tried to use the "bank of america supports trans rights" to argue that trans rights arent inherently anti-capitalist, as some leftists seem to think, then id say youd be right, but most leftists would recognize that a lot of progress on the civil-rights front still can be dont within capitalism.

TBQH the only problem is that right wingers cant see the difference between genuine left wingers and centrists. If you look at any genuine attempts of leftwing organization throughout history, you'd see that companies, and the capitalistic parts of society, instantly try their hardest to crush such movements.

>If you look at any genuine attempts of leftwing organization throughout history, you'd see that companies, and the capitalistic parts of society, instantly try their hardest to crush such movements.
Name three times this happened in the last 50 years in western countries