"there is only one philosophical question, and it is suicide."

The only reason not to commit suicide is the chance that we might get to reach longevity escape velocity, and get to live in a post-Singularity utopia.

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kys

????? You can use this backwards reasoning to support anything, let me try:
>I recently spent two weeks supporting a family whose son decided to come out as gay. I wish these fashionable professors would be forced to look permenantly numbed mothers in the eyes and craddle crying fathers in their arms. I wish their students talking about their books over drinks would listen to the wails over the phone when they confirm the families worst fears. I wish anybody wanting to be gay contrary to the wishes of their family would start by cutting of all of their toes one by one before delivering the final blow, just to prove that their passion is indeed greater than the pain they will be inflicting.

My family does not own me you fucking sociopath. I did not choose to be brought into this world, so I owe absolutely nothing to them. I am the proprietor of my own life, which means I can terminate it when I see fit. The only way I can see this argument working is if the person has kids.

>you fucking sociopath

>Reductio ad absurdum
>Final argument is actually based
Making your parents and forefathers proud is an seen as universally good by all cultures over all times.

>cuts of all ties to community and wonders why he feels hollow and suicidal

Call your parents bucko

Is it really though? Camus typically stressed the absurdity of killing oneself rather than the "pain" inflicted on others. The suffering of others is in no comparison to the absurdity that arises from perceived reality reducing itself to nothingness. This sounds pretentious and gay, I will make my leave now.

To be entirely honest with you, if your son commits suicide (especially if it's before he leaves home) you absolutely did something wrong and I don't feel too much sympathy for you

>philosophers in the ancient world
>what is justice? how do we build the best possible society?

>philosophers in the modern world
>we should all commit suicide, literally nothing exists

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Maybe if those parents cared before the kid killed themselves he wouldn't have.

If your family member killed himself/herself without exhibiting symptoms of prior mental health issues, it's quite likely that you're the one who dun goofed.

vitrifyher.com/2019/03/20/the-view-so-far/

>Suicide is currently my best option since it is the best transformative agent for the contents of consciousness that I can think of. I still feel that rationally considered, the boredom, malaise, anxiety, shame, pain, absurdity, loathing etc. is not worth the scant rewards in my human life. There is a vast ocean of radically different mind configurations of which my locus forms but a meaningless fraction of a dust speck. The idea that out of all possible modes of being across eternal probability space, I would be this human is frankly repugnant.

Is he right?

It all returns to nothing

yes, that is what I was saying thanks for reiterating my point in your reply friend

>There is a very popular opinion that choosing life is inherently superior to choosing death. This belief that life is inherently preferable to death is one of the most widespread superstitions. This bias constitutes one of the most obstinate mythologies of the human species.
>This prejudice against death, however, is a kind of xenophobia. Discrimination against death is simply assumed good and right. Absolutist faith in life is commonly a result of the unthinking conviction that existence or survival, along with an irrational fear of death, is "good". This unreasoned conviction in the rightness of life over death is like a god or a mass delusion. Life is the "noble lie"; the common secular-religion of the West.
>For the conventional Westerner, the obvious leap of faith to make here is that one's "self" and its preservation constitute the first measure of rationality. Yet if one begins reasoning with the unquestioned premise that life is good, or that one's own life or any life is justified, this is very different from bringing that premise itself to be questioned rationally. Anyone who has ever contemplated his or her own mortality might question the ultimate sanity of the premise of self-preservation. Even if it is possible to live forever, moreover, this makes not an iota of difference as to the question of the value of existence.

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I just wanted to stand by you brah

He had a loving family. They activly supported him through his struggles. The other kids turned out fine. He had psychiatric help, friends and money. He was a selfish cunt, lacking in morals, willpower and empathy. I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance.

His life is his alone. His to live and his to end it whenever and for whatever reason he pleases.

Oh, well it's clear what's wrong with him then
You made this story up, nothing can save one from that fate

>He had a loving family.
Is that what they tell you? Fuck em

>Implying people with comfortable lives and backgrounds never kill themselves
shiggydiggy

>dude people are totally independent of their environment
>DUDE, YOU'VE AN OBLIGATION AND A RELATIONSHIP TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT
Which is it, cocksucker.

No one who is attractive, wealthy, and had good parenting/ wasn't molested has killed themselves while still living at home

Was he on Yea Forums?

Stop watching Stefan Molyneux

No

Geez you do know that Camus wrote this just after he overcame his depression due to his participation on the second world war? Maybe read a book for once before you go all redneck-antiintelligenzia

kys then Because the probability of attaining any of your deranged transuman fantasies is exactly Nil.

>Maybe if those parents cared before the kid killed themselves he wouldn't have.
>I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance.
Wow this board is full of ppl with the intellectual maturity of fucking teenagers with straight "black or white" mentality.
The fuck you read all your books for, srsly.

>parenthood ousts itself as archonic nightmare again

And Camus' question encompasses them all. Why should we care? Why try to find anything out? Why play the game instead of ending it all

>don't kill yourself because others might feel sad
This probably the biggest brainlet take of them all.

No
That's just wrong the only thing that those questions have in common is that existential dimention but beyond that there is no overlap. It's clear if you can read English.

>j-just don't think about it
coping kekold

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This

To be or not to be; that is the question.

turns out that supporting a family whose son committed suicide doesn't make you understand or empathise with the victims of mental illness. Get a grip and make some effort to actually understand and help solve the issues of friends and family's mental health, you're not helping anyone in the long run.

this is all selfish as fuck, though

Uuh ?
He said to think about it every damn day of your life, that's the all point.

No. Because we don't know what happens after death. Materialists simply cannot be intellectuals.

I'm talking about his existentialist philosophy.

Ummm, yea... I am going to need a source for that.

goodreads.com/quotes/29516-there-is-but-one-truly-serious-philosophical-problem-and-that

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'should i continue to exist' is THE philosophical question. perfectly addressed in Sean Goonans The Foundation of Exploration

Not peer reviewed by an established journal. DROPPED!

Fake and gay.

>I will spit on the grave of all those that kill themselves without exceptionally grave circumstance.
Youre so empathetic and kind

>if your son commits suicide (especially if it's before he leaves home) you absolutely did something wrong

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lol we come from such weak generations

faggot

>spend more than a quarter of your life in school
>actually having to compete kills you in just a few weeks

Best book I have ever read.

I know those questions don't directly relate to Camus' question. Camus questions the practicality of even bothering with these questions or anything else by asking his question on suicide. Those questions specifically were probably already answered for Camus as he wasn't religious, most people today aren't. The question of suicide is more pertinent than any metaphysical questions about the nature of the universe.

Camus was edgy af its obvious. There are other philosophical questions and you all need to chill and take a pill. Maybe a few pills. Maybe a few more... :)

Assumes existence of consciousness. "What is this "I"? What is existence?" Are the fundamental questions.

those families? they could just kill themselves. that would cut all that pain short, instead of hanging around to choke down the misery. just commit, and fall right out of any consequences

this is going to be me soon lel

"What is existence?" is interesting but the roundabout topic of "What is I?" is boring and pointless.

Damn this site is pessimistic as all hell. Thought this was a greatly written post user.

Fuck off, Chesterton.
>Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence; the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men; as far as he is concerned he wipes out the world. His act is worse (symbolically considered) than any rape or dynamite outrage. For it destroys all buildings: it insults all women. The thief is satisfied with diamonds; but the suicide is not: that is his crime. He cannot be bribed, even by the blazing stones of the Celestial City. The thief compliments the things he steals, if not the owner of them. But the suicide insults everything on earth by not stealing it. He defiles every flower by refusing to live for its sake. There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is not a sneer. When a man hangs himself on a tree, the leaves might fall off in anger and the birds fly away in fury: for each has received a personal affront. Of course there may be pathetic emotional excuses for the act. There often are for rape, and there almost always are for dynamite. But if it comes to clear ideas and the intelligent meaning of things, then there is much more rational and philosophic truth in the burial at the cross-roads and the stake driven through the body, than in Mr. Archer’s suicidal automatic machines. There is a meaning in burying the suicide apart. The man’s crime is different from other crimes—for it makes even crimes impossible.

Suicide is never justified. Homicide is a different matter.

youtu.be/07JaEzYHBeU

Self-homicide of course requires no justification.

Hitler's suicide was justified.

lol get a load of this fucking faggot

lol get a load of this fucking faggot

Let's assume your presupposition is correct. What is the impact of the answer ? Would the yes or no answer even add anything meaningful to our existence on individual basis if we didn't have the answers to the other questions. No significant change in philosophy would occur if a magical good dick were to paint "just kill urserlf lol ;)" with jizz in the sky. State of nature doesn't actively promote suicide, it promotes life. Don't be an edgelord at least try to find the answers to the big 5. Or an hero if you can't deal with it

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>just imagine actually believing this

>Look at all that pain in the living world he caused! How can the non-existing person cope with that?

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Kek

Just capitalism at work, nothing new to see here lad

not living at home, was well into his adulthood
and yes, even still bad parenting is probably a major factor in this unfortunate incident

The first question was: should there be nothing or something? Since there is something, it follows that existence was preferred to non-existence by an intelligence beyond human, and that simultaneously the most unreasonable and rebellious thing you can do is commit suicide.

No. But it is the first one before you ask yourself anything else, why find out the truth if you don't want to live with it? I might be autistic in thinking his statement literally (He actually meant the most important question) but that's the best kind I can answer without just saying "yes".

or it follows that since there is something then something must want to keep us here and that something is evil since there is evil in the world?
You can make billion of conclusions on that statement: "Since there is something".

not all people ponder on suicidal thoughts when they grow up or what?
I was suicidal with 11 years, not knowing why i should live anymore. Came to an conclusion and since then i never thought about killing myself anymore.
Modern philosophers are pseuds, this i s literally the teenageangstpilled question and he even gets respect for it.

first time I've seen this photo. Thanks OP

So we can thank mainlander's parents for his philosophy?

AYO!

you lose all your toes when a relative commits sudoku? cool

omg the irony is here!!! im so happy!

This quote may be used as a very good critique of existentialism.

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>lel suicide is actually BASED
grow up or kys

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This sounds like a woman struggling to berate a man her cunt is seeping for.

>I wish anybody commiting suicide would start by cutting of all of their toes one by one before delivering the final blow, just to prove that their pain is indeed worse than the one they will be inflicting.
My parents already did inflict that amount of pain on me by having my foreskin amputated.

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