You have 10 seconds to prove God isn't real

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Can God create a rock that he won't be able to lift?

>implying god is in the world
do some homework on the essence-energy distinction and come back.

The only thing God lacks is being finite, and this is what gives him that distinction

god is almighty, according to christicucks and mudlimes, so he can be in the world.

My question remains.

cringe bro...

ok because i drank gods given beer today i will explain it. but just this one time
If you say he is almighty, he can make a stone he can not lift.
Can you comprehend`??

uuugh, god is actually a celestial being that doesn't exist but actually does exist and it created everything after it sneezed, fuck science you just don't understand religion bro. Let's burn all people who think the Earth is round at stakes, prayse da jeysus

This is cringe.

I can’t prove he exists or not I just don’t think it makes sense to believe in something that has a lot higher chance of not existing than existing

>he can make a stone he can not lift.
But if he's almighty he should be able to lift this rock.
And if he can lift this rock it means that he's not almighty because he couldn't create a rock that he couldn't lift.
A simple paradox that completely obliterates religion. (inb4 RELIGION IS ABOUT MORALS AND SHIT, READ MUH BOOKZ ON RELI-
no, it's cringe. Stop.)

God is real, but as described by Spinoza and later theorists, and not le bibble.

what God?

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this dude would have loved matrix. so deep.

which god?

Whose God?

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It's impossible for God to exist without breaking the physical laws of the universe. If he exists and can't interfere with our physical laws (even if he created them), he's neither omnipotent or relevant to our lives.
The computer simulation argument is much more plausible than the God one.

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Why fail?

cringe

Shouldn't you be on Yea Forums or /pol/?

God is the only thing that is actually real. The proof is in those (to most people) rare moments of Grace and perfection where the veil is lifted.

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la ilaha illallah muhammadur rasulullah

What did you just fucking say to me you middle eastern bitch??

God cannot act contrary to his nature

God is omnipotent so he can create a large rock that never moves and a large rock that only he can move. He can do BOTH. You’re essentially saying “If god is omnipotent can he make himself not omnipotent?” which is ridiculous.

only your mind can create God

I never saw him

You worship the ideal end result Superman of the evolution of man and pray to him in your mind with odd visions and warped imaginations and magical illusions of grandeur. Your own personal Tyler Durden ;)

I thought up an analogy but I am probably not the first to think of this. If there are any flaws in this I would like to know before I share it with people IRL.

Religion is like an addictive drug. It has a high potential of abuse and the people who sell it will take advantage of you. You are addicted and quitting will produce extreme withdrawal symptoms that make it nearly impossible to quit. Those who do are always better off and those who use it and want to quit try but usually fail due to those dealing it taking advantage of you.

Any additions or corrections of Grammer and logic would be greatly appreciated.

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Wtf "real" means??

hence our obligation to worship

amen

God isn’t a being, he’s above space and time. Thus asking if he can lift stones is pointless.

God is real and he punishes me by giving me stinkies

>you'll always find a way to justify God's existence
False. You do not justify faith, which cannot be rationally explained ever, but you still believe in something greater none the less, more so when those who do not believe tempt you into a spiral of obvious hedonistic self destruction.
>God is anthropomorphic
Utter nonsense. If you read the Bible, God is the only one who does not change at all. An argument would be made that the God of the OT is different from the NT, but again, read the whole Bible and see how God fulfills his promise of humanity's redemption through Christ. It is not God who changes, it is we who change through God.
> If Jesus existed then people would be radically changed by Jesus' sacrifice and there would be a change in the hearts of christians
This is exactly what happened tho.
>they wouldn't sin anymore but this contradicts the fact that christians commit more crimes in average than jews
lol
>God + Universe would be greater than God
God + Universe = God
God - Universe = God
>The universe has little regard for its possibilities so that almost anything that can happen will happen
Potential is not equivalent to kinetic. This is a pure misunderstanding of metaphysics that if everything can happen it will/has happened, but that's pure assumption.
>things will follow the normal curve rather than some odd curve
Again with the is an ought shit. If you don't undrestand free will, why do you burden yourself and others with your inability?
>It wouldn't make sense for a benevolent god to throw people who behaved bad or better yet who didn't believe to suffer for eternity
Considering you don't even believe in benevolence, but understand it in the same way as a childless widow understands child raising, you can't really make a coherent argument about it.
God's benevolence deal with the whole of humanity, only if you yourself pray for your flaws will God forgive and guide you out of destruction.
Also the whole eternity of hell doctrine is misunderstood. True hell is rejection of the truth, only a fool would disagree and in Christianity God is the forger truth.
>free will is definitely an illusion
I don't get how predeterminsts argue against free will AND God at the same time.
>There is no way to get a priori knowledge
The mere existence of a priori knowldge would prove the existence of God tho.
>pretty much unfeasible to actually speak about metaphysics
Considering you have literally no fucking idea what you're talking about, I can see where you're coming off with that.

I am the prime mover, not this "God" you speak of.

>False. You do not justify faith, which cannot be rationally explained ever, but you still believe in something greater none the less, more so when those who do not believe tempt you into a spiral of obvious hedonistic self destruction.
I can understand fideism, and I'm definitely not speaking against it. What I'm trying to say is that it's meaningful to say that "God exists", and that such a claim is interpreted in some way, and that there is always a room for that interpretation, that one can say that God exists and you'll always a find a way to make it fit and not contradict whatever is the evidence that science gives
>It is not God who changes, it is we who change through God.
Yes but that doesn't mean that God isn't an idea that is inspired in the nature of human beings. God has some traits that are human-like and the best explanation is that the idea of God was originally based on some powerful human-like figure that preceded before mankind.
>lol
I can understand that I did exaggerate somewhat on that, but it is true though that christians should be better behaved than jews insofar as christian morality goes, but there's no such evidence, rather it seems that those jews who didn't accept Christ abide to the law much better than christians do from the evidence I've seen.

if God + universe = God and God - universe = God then panentheism works

>Potential is not equivalent to kinetic. This is a pure misunderstanding of metaphysics that if everything can happen it will/has happened, but that's pure assumption.
I'm not speaking about energy or alternative universes, I'm just mentioning a fact about stochastic systems, and their ability to exhaust all configurations in a way that doesn't feel guided by an overseer.

>Again with the is an ought shit. If you don't undrestand free
Not actually about free will but rather about God's plan, that there doesn't seem to be any
>True hell is rejection of the truth
I don't know, I'm not sure what would that imply in the actual world
>The mere existence of a priori knowldge would prove the existence of God tho.
I know it rather does beg the question, but say a lot of things that we take for granted are actually contingent, and it's always context so that all those principles that one sees in the Bible wouldn't apply in other circumstances in such a way that it rather would be something big if there actually was some universal principles
> Considering you have literally no fucking idea what you're talking about, I can see where you're coming off with that.
Well it's mostly based on my notion of truth, one of the pragmatist kind, such that everything that we express are true in virtue of their usefulness and not because of their existence in reality. Therefore, we understand the world because the practices in which we engage lead us to feel that it is right as Wittgenstein would say, but not just in one way of course, but such that all voices claim the same thing.

I can't believe nobody has posted this.
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>Dennet, Hitchens, Harris
>make valid beautiful arguments
Man. And I sued to like these two gay faggots.

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Faith doesn't just come out of nowhere. You had some experience you couldn't explain, you accepted the word of authority (parents, priest, etc.), the ideas sounded nice to you or whatever... That is the rational explanation of faith. That is how it was 'justified' in the first place. Faith is nothing more than a mundane belief which you resolve not to examine after the fact.

So either rationality is consequential in which case see above, or it isn't in which case why bother proffering a (quasi) logical argument?

cuz he don't exist

This is same as asking can God create triangle with only 2 sides or square circle. Also, weight is relative to gravity.

God died in Auschwitz

>Faith is nothing more than a mundane belief
Not one person of true faith would ever describe it like that. To a man of faith it is the basic foundation of his entire being.
If you claim to have faith and you don't act upon it at your foundations, you're even more of a hypocrite than the average moron atheist.
>which you resolve not to examine after the fact
Nice implication, but if you don't challenge your faith, it won't be genuine. Key is to do it honestly and not from your perspective only.
Again, if you only take it at face value, eventually you will define the foundation of faith without it letting you define you. This kind of faith literally defies the basic meaning of faith and become selfish dogma.
>rationality is consequential
>or it isn't
>in which case why bother proffering
If rationality isn't consequential, you'd still be able to define its origin from primordial chaos.
If it is consequential it goes the same way, but the origin is something beyond our own rationality as we understand it, though we hardly understand ourselves that much in these day to begin with.
Your arguments are very weak.

you can't prove a negative.

>The Bible is mythology
>Besides the 2/3 of it which is actually history
>written in historic context
>by historic figures
>about historic figures

Yes you can.

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the answer to this is that He could create such a stone but he will never do one, He does not act aganst His nature

I watch rick and morty

Yes.

What about your faith makes you think the Abrahamic God is the real one? Do you think people that have never had access to scripture can have a relationship with the same god you worship?

Age of our species: ~2 million years
Age of our religions: ~ 4 thousand years?
Yeah, sure, that god is totally real...

If god was real he would kill me right now or he is a pussy

Done. Prove me wrong.

Nothing but vague mystical platitudes. I've explained what 'faith' is, you say nuh-uh and that it can't be explained rationally -- yet somehow you are aware of (rational?) 'rules' for interfacing with it. The very way the way you describe your relationship to 'faith' suggests that I'm correct about it just being a belief (contrasting it with dogma, challenging it 'honestly' with multiple perspectives).

Seems you missed my point about rationality; obviously it's consequential because you're compelled to employ it -- no matter how inconsistently. Interesting tangent though... So we can define its origin (even in the context of our facility for reasoning being inconsequential), but not really because it's ultimately beyond us... Very profound, user.

You're all over the place. I hope you don't seriously think you've established enough logical credibility here to impugn the strength of my arguments.

>God can only exist if he is known

Nice.

a-user, u still there?

>What about your faith makes you think the Abrahamic God is the real one
Nothing. Theology and philosophy makes the think that if I am to have faith in a God that is, it can be nothing but Jesus Christ.
>Do you think people that have never had access to scripture can have a relationship with the same god you worship?
Do you think those who have access to scripture and have a great understanding of religion do not follow the ways of evil?
Cope.

You're confining the belief of God to organised religion whether consciously or not. Faith is inherent in all of us but many are conditioned to believe or disbelieve in a model of God. The reason for this is that our logical brains hate the unknown and strive for certainty and thus take a side even though there is no rational argument for atheism. A truly rational person would take the stance of agnosticism and accept the unknown but in my experience, once someone genuinely accepts in the unknown and stops falling for a confirmation bias they will see signs of something bigger than this material world.

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>same god
There is only one God, different interpretations and anthropomorphisms may help one convey their understanding but these tools are only necessary due to the limitations in language and our brains.

There's insufficient evidence that a god exists and that's all I care about.

I'll give you a head start.
>I've explained what 'faith'
You didn't. You gave a very plebeian interpretation of it and that's literally all.
>it can't be explained rationally
It doesn't have to be explained rationally. It's presence defined how rational a man of faith is.
>you are aware of (rational?) 'rules' for interfacing with it
Like I said, it's not faith, but the fruits of faith that really matter. Elsewise faith is meaningless.
>it just being a belief
It's not just belief. You take faith and put and end to it. What kind of thinker does that?
>contrasting it with dogma, challenging it 'honestly' with multiple perspectives
Dogma doesn't define faith, but the opposite. I really think you have literally no idea what you're rambling about.
>obviously it's consequential because you're compelled to employ it
>no matter how inconsistently
Go to any insane asylum and tell that to the patients. Go to some African war zone and preach peace.
Some things go beyond rationality and you need some unexplained miracle of human nature to fix the situation. Then you define it and it's not a miracle anymore. But lo, it was there before being defined.
>So we can define its origin
You can no more define the origin of rationality that you can define God.
> in the context of our facility for reasoning
You can see rationality and act upon it though. If it is inconsequential still, go to the aforementioned insane asylum and live your bliss.
>it's ultimately beyond us
Why is it ultimately beyond us?
>Very profound, user.
Please. Have some dignity, you pussy hack.
>You're all over the place.
Oh man. I hope you kept that though when you wrote your post.
>I hope you don't seriously think you've established enough logical credibility here to impugn the strength of my arguments.
Let the public decide.

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Keep believing in sky Jesus bro, I'll keep laughing at your cognitive dissonance

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No, a truly rational person would just not believe in things there isn't a shred of evidence for. In fact, there is good reason to be less open to the particular 'unknown' of god, since this is such a long-standing and ardent claim, yet there is still no evidence or even cogent logic to support it.

>stops falling for confirmation bias
>see signs of something bigger than this material world
signs of something = unknown
bigger than this material world = presupposition you are confirming

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...sigh
are we still there? are atheists really that retarded?

You have 10 seconds to prove that bigfoot isn't real.

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Who says he isn't real?

Anime girls don't exist

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Because of how much cope is needed for the opposite.

then what's on that picture of yours

Because this world is gay.

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>historical accuracy of pre-Common Era events
nice trips though, i'll concede that