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Monthly Reading for June: Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
The absolute state of GRRM is that, looked at objectively, the series actually came to the only conclusion that his stupid nihilistic series actually could without being nakedly trite bullshit--and it was STILL trite bullshit, just not naked.
Think about it. How does this retard actually end the book, what can he possibly do that doesn't either: -Point to bloodline aristocracy being moral -Point to a certain class of people being qualified to rule -Point to status-quo ideas of sex and rulership being correct -Suck
He can't. He can't do a big final battle between good and evil because he is on record as saying that good and evil don't exist. He can't have a chosen savior swoop in and save everything because he is a dispicable atheist dogfucker and what would Jesus's tax policy be? He can't give any of the characters happy endings because literally every single one of them solves their problems through violence and he is supposedly a pacifist.
The only option is to just not finish the story, or to finish it in the way the show finished it. With some crippled wizard on the throne. I called this years ago. Martin cannot finish the story, because he is IDEOLOGICALLY unequipped to do so. As a weak, stupid, cowardly lazy left-wing sack of cum-eating degenerate faggot enabling shit, he has boxed himself in to a set of no-win options. By trying to subvert fantasy tropes he accidentally subverted basic story structure.
It isn't about plotlines or character bloat or any of that shit, even that hack Brandon Sanderson can overcome that. It's that the only way to end a story satisfyingly is to end it Right Wing as fuck, because the Right is the only side of political and philosophic thought that believes in happy endings.
Henry Richardson
This thread in Yea Forums.
Ian Morris
It's worse though. Bran isn't Bran anymore, he said as much. He's the Three Eyed Raven, consumed by information about the past and present. Bran is the fantasy equivalent of an AI.
Owen Adams
Pratchett's editor once told me that name comes from Lancaster-Morecambe. Lancaster being posh part and Morecambe being a shithole and near to the Heysham nuclear power station he worked at.
Angel Williams
The absolute state of GRRM is he has introduced too much in the 4th and 5th books so he's going to have to rush a lot of shit.
Hudson Gonzalez
>-Point to bloodline aristocracy being moral >-Point to a certain class of people being qualified to rule >-Point to status-quo ideas of sex and rulership being correct Is there a problem with these beyond your disagreeing with them?
Christian Fisher
No but most of his readers are leftwing liberals extremely opposed to these kind of ideas.
Leo Walker
The pasta says that GRRM can't end the story without it being right-wing. Each of those proposed endings are right-wing.
Aaron Mitchell
And Lancre is based on rural Lancashire.
Anthony Reyes
What are some fantasy books with well-written protagonists?
Hello, /sffg/. I have decided to get back into fantasy after a break of quite some years.
Can you please recommend medieval fantasy fiction that has well realised worlds and fantasy races? It doesn't have to be something full of bombast and heroism, a simple tale with great worldbuilding would be great as well.
I liked Lord of the Rings, Malazan, ASoIaF (the world building and history bits), Witcher
I didn't like Thomas Covenant (the constant angst was tiring), Joe Abercombie (too much gore, too little worldbuilding)
How is Edgeworld Chronicles, worth a look?
Hudson Mitchell
i read this a while back and loved it at first, but ended up hating the turns it took in the second half. too many convenient coincidences, old characters appearing again out of nowhere, and the mc developing and improving too quickly. also the big fight at the end was stupid
how is the second part?
Hunter Gutierrez
GRRM is a hack. The more ASOIAF goes on the more and more it resembles the cliche monomyth that he was lauded over for supposedly espousing to being with (not that he was the first writer to do so, or that he did so in any impressive way, he just won the popularity lottery).
You're absolutely right in that he isn't ideologically equipped to give a satisfying ending that makes sense for the story, but that's only half of the problem. He hasn't consistently been eschewing the archetypal fantasy story/characters/arcs for years now, and he has slowly slipped into the realm of epic fantasy with very clearly defined good and evil, telegraphed character moments and plot points, and even delving into plainly lazy mary-sue tier writing;
>AND THEN THE BASTARD ANTIHERO WITH A MAGIC, DRAGON-FORGED SWORD AND AN ALBINO DIREWOLF FUCKED THE BEAUTIFUL DRAGON QUEEN
Spare me, this is fanfiction level of quality.
Easton Wilson
I liked both of the sequels. The books retain the charm. The old characters returning is kinda a part of the series in a way, as some of them become recurring characters or we are shown what happens to them later on (usually they are worse off because of the tower, as is everyone in contact with the tower). Also, the MC's development won't be a steady upward graph, there's going to be descents.
Austin Anderson
IIRC the early ones are all fairly similar. He tried some longform stories much later that I didn't like as much.
Lucas Mitchell
What's your favorite Robert E. Howard story?
Easton Wood
My top 3 so far are Tower of the Elephant, People of the Black Circle, and Hour of the Dragon.
Colton Harris
>have everyone die to the walkers >have them defeat the walkers only for every single character die to the game of thrones, reinforcing that there is no winning
those are two options
Gavin Ward
My favorite LGBT characters are the two main protagonist of the Coldfire Trilogy
Cooper Richardson
I really like jack vance. who/what should i read next (other than vance).
Nicholas Flores
The Fifth Head of Cerberus
Jack Jones
>basically real life medieval / olde times setting with a bunch of made-up names and no / low magic is boring and heck Does anyone else agree with the aforementioned statement? I love fantasy (and sf to an extend) to be utterly unapologetic and raw. Let magic be magic, don't try to rationalize everything, let men fight, don't try to shove cunning into barbarous times although the story of a ruthless intelligent leader can be interesting. I just find it very boring when the real world gets transported into a fantasy realm, with real world politics and issues, just with other names. Oh, and fighting between human nations with human politics and scheeming is boring, and I WILL fight you for that. No, I don't say have mindless hordes of minions (insert legions of orcs or undead or other nameless creatures) shoved against the protagonist. But even a shallow, more poorly developed foreign / alien creature is infinitely more interesting than human on human action. No blue-coloured humans and call them aliens, obviously. Not to say that dynamics between humans and [race] is better and more compelling to read about, and even, God forbid, romances.
Based. I fucking loved Cnauir throughout the first 3 books. I only read the 2 other books afterwards and don't know what happens next, but yes. Gay fierce hateful killer of men barbarian. Yeah, give me more.
Blake James
Fuck off, /pol/. Not only not every writer consciously strives to insert relevant political points in his work, it is in fact possible to hold viewpoints different from yours while maintaining sufficient coherence of thought to finish stories based on these viewpoints. I or you may consider, with solid reasoning or not, that, say, R. Scott Bakker, or Abercrombie, for whom "nihilistic" is actuallly not a fucking buzzord, are wrong about human nature, politics, the world, and everything, but that does not prevent them from completing their stories.
And if you want an unflattering explanation for why Martin's writing went downhill and dried up after ASoS that actually matches the facts see pic related.
>plane is a dragon autism boi is back here we go again
Samuel Wood
>plane is power armor but not really >boi Close enough, but no cigar, my friend d.
Anyway, my biggest gripe comes with handling antagonists. It's no secret that modern fantasy either hates good antagonists, hates strong moral compasses, love moral ambiguity to the point of moot, or is afraid of portraying a morally unjust character for whatever reasons. As a clear result to that, we have a bunch of fantasy books with no bad guy, no real antagonist except maybe the lovable antihero who is the opposite to our protagonist. And if there is a bad guy, he is not important, he is handled poorly and has a boring demise. But more often than not there is NO bad guy, just guys who don't agree with whatever government is there. This goes back to human v human being boring.
The best fantasy creatures are those who, by their very nature, are incompatible to humanity and thus violence emerge. Creatures so alien in psyche that humans NECESSARILY see them as evil, else they can't comprehend them. And vice versa, but a story must be told from a human perspective else we go too deep into info-dumps. Having to explain every facet of [creature] culture just to tell a story is equally as boring as having mindless hordes -with- no culture to begin with.
This was a good post, no need to turn it into a pasta. I feel bad for the guy who wrote it now.
Thomas Russell
>anyone I disagree with is /pol/
Ultimate brainlet
Joshua Allen
Source for the pic?
Robert Lee
The elephant story, the one where he runs away from an invincible robot (?), the very first one, and the one where he goes into a desert town of degenerate lotus eaters.
Michael Harris
Not of this board, but looking for recommendations. What books should I read to learn about general fantasy creatures (as in typical goblins, elves, gnomes...) and medieval European culture? I also want to buy a bestiary but I don't know which.
Thanks in advance.
Jack Rivera
Yea Forums, don't know from where is the original scan.
>What books should I read to learn about general fantasy creatures (as in typical goblins, elves, gnomes...) and medieval European culture? Encyclopedias.
Jack Moore
What is an enjoyable story you've read involving climbing a Tower?
i read the first deluxe edition which is the first 3 volumes. waiting for the second tower of babylon was ok by ted chiang
Leo Smith
Tower of the Elephant
Wyatt Peterson
Just finished snowcrash, dont know what to think it about it yet and I am kind of tired to start long trains of thought. Is this the guy best work or I should check something else from him?
Jacob Hall
I bought too many books. Now I gotta read them all.
Bentley Brown
Go the other direction and read Clark Ashton Smith, especially Zothique.
Zachary Rodriguez
Reamde is essentially a thriller without much sci-fi. Long, ut I found it thoroughly enjoyable.
I'm currently reading his new novel which deals with both fake information spreading over the internet, and cryogenics, it's good so far.
As far as I know, Cryptonomicon is regarding as his best novel.
Leo Lee
Burn them instead
Easton Brooks
Black company sucks and croaker is a cuck.
Evan Bailey
I've never read it but does he actually get cuckolded?
Brandon Nguyen
Shill me on the Culture books by Banks. I'm about 150 pages into Consider Phlebas right now and enjoying it. Couldn't care too much about the characters and I haven't been introduced to any cool ideas yet but the prose is pretty good and carrying things. Folks seem split on it though. Start with Player of Games, they say.
Kevin Wilson
Definitely read Anathem, especially if you're into Western philosophy.
Angel Campbell
Literally communist propaganda
Isaac Butler
I find epic fantasy pretty boring. The reason why JRRT's shit worked was because everything in the books was heavily based on actual real world mythology, folklore, politics, and religion. Every culture, race, and even to an extent plot points was based on history. I honestly feel like he tapped into some racial memory and that's why his races and cultures have stuck with us so much. Modern epic fantasy just makes shit up and doesn't base it on anything actually concrete so it all feels like total bullshit that I really don't care about.
Stories that focuses mainly on different cultures humans with different ideas of how the world should be and fighting a battle of wills involving political maneuvering and actual fighting is what really gets me going. Asoiaf is pretty close but falls into "good" and "evil" way too easily.
I think the main difference between us is that I find ideas more interesting while you prefer novelty in setting.
Possibly the most horrifying vision of a dystopia I've ever read; it's like a modern mix of Brave New World and Cocaine Nights with far flung sci-fi setting, truly terrifying stuff.
I haven't touched genre fiction in over a decade, but I've come back to sci-fi with a more mature and discerning taste and loving it.
I'm looking for hard, metaphysical/philosophical sci-fi just like Orion's Arm and John C. Wright's Eschaton series. Please no Xelee or Culture, I'm sick to deal with them. Nothing as crazy as what Wright was doing at the end of CoI (though that would very welcome), I just want something fucking evocative, inspired, adult.
The Culture books are pretty good, the biggest problem and complaint about them is that Banks often identifies with his creation a little more than the reader does.
Zachary Clark
you need to make the girl in the lower right redheaded.
Henry Lopez
anything greg egan read his short story collection axiomatic
Caleb Bailey
If you liked Eschaton, read more Wright. The Golden Age is an absolute must, it's exactly what you're looking for. Also Awake in the Night Land. Skip Orphans of Chaos and Mists of Everness. Use your judgement on his other stuff.
Blindsight by Peter Watts.
Dune although it's a little dated
BotNS
Kayden Nguyen
>hard, metaphysical That's a contradiction. But read Roadside Picnic, Definitely Maybe, and other stuff by the Strugatskys.
Ryder Roberts
All right I definitely will thanks fellas
Luis Thompson
Thanks for the pic. I will use it when I see you shitting on Sanderson or Abercrombie.
Elijah Gonzalez
>Sanderson or Abercrombie. i guess there really is no accounting for taste
Jose Lewis
any fantasy with sexy slave girls?
Angel Davis
>tfw I want to start writing again but job hunting is taking up almost every spare moment of my time
why is this so complicated
the Three Body Problem series has some high points. The second and third book revolve around an imaginative explanation for the Fermi Paradox.
The Ender's Game series is also an example if you haven't read it. The latter books deal with the question of how we define intelligent life
>Ask for shitty writing >Read this >No, the writing sucks What did he mean by this.
Gabriel Green
Like old school Schlock fantasy that relished in the machismo and the sex appeal while still being rip roaring adventure.
Ryder Morales
You just described all Isekais.
Brandon Robinson
Yeah. except Isekai sucks.
Evan Campbell
GOR
Grayson Cook
That series is basically 50 Shades of grey for dudes.
Nicholas Nelson
Wild wastes
Tyler Hill
You are impossible.
Jackson Lewis
>medieval fantasy fiction Latro in the Mist and The Wizard Knight by Gene Wolfe The King of Elfland's Daughter Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser The Once and Future King Daughter of the Empire The Worm Ouroboros Elric of Melniboné Lyonesse Tigana
Can I become a renewed author if my mother language isnt english?
Josiah Murphy
I’m really new to science fiction. So far the two things I’ve read in that zone that I like are the Fifth Head of Cerberus and Ratner’s Star. Any recs for those?
Carson Stewart
Write in your mother language? Just a thought. I have been told that I have extremely good English, better grammar than even native speakers, but there's a certain tone, a certain cadence to the structure of sentences that distinguish me clearly as a non-native English speaker. No, I don't think you can become a renowned English author in 2019 as a non-native English speaker. You can become well known in your own sphere and have your books translated, made into games, movies, etc.
Slower than light kinos like revelation space and house of suns?
Owen Baker
Think I'm gonna just gonna read obscure indie books that barely have any reviews for a while. That seems more enjoyable than reading yet another edgy LOTR ripoff.
Cameron Cox
>i will shit on your trash but don't shit on mine (morecock) >my shit (morecocks) doesn't smell, unlike sanderfag and abersnailbie
Aaron Perez
>doesn't realize that princess of mars and the others are all Isekai
Ian Ortiz
>Isekai >machismo
Pick one and only one.
Joseph Sanders
You were told that self published is the future.
Gabriel Thompson
I've been doing that for a while. I would recommend The Crimson Queen by Alec Hutson if you want something a bit Conanesque, The Barrow by Mark Smylie if you want something a bit Indiana Jonsey (it is a bit too edgy in the beginning, but it grows out of it by the halfway mark), and Into the Labrynth by John Bierce if you want some cliche but enjoyable coming of age power fantasy.
Jaxon Morris
To be honest, I don't think you can even become a renowned author either way, unless you're shilled by the powers that be and have a GRRM quote on your cover. If you don't have that, at best you're becoming rather obscure but known in certain circles, like Bakker. Nobody here ever heard of Bakker but in certain places he is known.
Jonathan Sanders
Hitting it big is, was, and always will be a completely crapshoot regardless of when or where. It's not a new thing, you just have to catch lightning in a bottle. The quality of your work doesn't even matter, you just have to get that perfect storm of a desperate target demographic and a lot of word of mouth, just look at Fifty Shades of Grey.
If you want to write, write, and maybe in 30 years your work will be a cult classic.
Angel Reed
I always loved The Goblin Companion
Kevin Rogers
haha sucker...
Grayson Cook
Homos are gay
Kayden Hernandez
I just took a huge dump and it felt good. Books with that feel (finally getting rid of something that made you uncomfortable).
Xavier Rogers
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Aaron Nguyen
sentient ai, aliens, mythic creatures and clones are as human as the rest of us
humans who treat them or other humans as subhumans have lost their human privileges
>Garrett Files series by Glen Cook Enjoyable stories if you're a fan of fantasy and noir mysteries. Like Dresden Files the first book in the series is just okay, the writing improves in books 2 and 3.
His novels tend to shit themselves once he gets to into his obsession of the week. Necronomicon was really great though. Very well written and comes together amazingly in the end. I remeber being very satisfied with it when i was done.. Seveneves was okay. Really didn't like the diamond age, it started out ok but really went off the rails hard.
Julian Nelson
Sorry, i obviously mean Cryptonomicon
Mason Powell
Holy shit, The Dispossessed was incredible. I thought Lathe of Heaven was just a conventional classic PKD rip-off but my god, I’m speechless.
It’s been too long since I read something actually GOOD goddam.
Landon Foster
Bump
Ethan James
Senlin Ascends
Cooper Lopez
What's a good fantasy with epic scope and adventure through unknown lands?
Anthony Morgan
The Golden Age
Adrian Reyes
Decent but was relegated to obscurity by BotNS coming out at about the same time and completely blowing it out of the water.
Juan Wood
sounds good, thanks.
Lucas Bennett
I just finished Assassin's Quest. Mostly I liked it, though it was the weakest in the trilogy, but I have some final thoughts and nowhere else to put them:
1. Regal isn't a great character, but it's been a long time since I've disliked a villain in a story so strongly. He walks an effective line where he manages to be completely hateable without quite extending to cartoonish supervillainy; I think it's the self-driven pettiness that sells him to me. One of my complaints is that, while he gets his comeuppance, the book covers it way too briefly to be satisfying. 2. The end of the book feels too brief in general, especially for a book that's already hideously long. It was especially lame that they just lay out a one-page explanation for why the raiders have been attacking after teasing it for three books. It would have been more satisfying to leave it as a mystery than to just plop it out like that. 3. I still don't really know whether the Fool was actually a woman or, if not, why that was brought up in the first place. He or she is my favorite character either way. 4. Nighteyes is my second favorite character because he's the only one who ever seems happy for any decent length of time. 5. I probably would have felt worse about Fitz not ending up with Molly if I had actually given a shit about Molly. She was probably the weakest thing in the whole trilogy; I find it hard to care about their relationship when their time together is just a coin-toss between "stupid arguments" and "arbitrarily in love", and they only spend like 1% of the story actually together. I spent most most of the latter half of the book hoping Fitz would wind up with the Fool instead.
Really, what's with these coming-of-age fantasy stories giving the hero a love interest and then keeping them apart for almost the entire story? It's not just the Farseer trilogy's obsession with shitting on Fitz, I've read like three stories in a row that did that. I feel like something that's a driving motivation should be given a bit more time and attention, maybe integrated into the actual character arc. Is there some principle of storytelling I'm missing? Are there any of these books where the love interest actually sticks around for most of the plot?
Thomas Brown
>I read a book and here is my blog about it, remember to follow like and subscribe
Brayden Williams
What the hell are we supposed to talk about then?
Daniel White
Please do not discourage those willing to contribute content actually related to the topic
Zachary Flores
I'd rather read blogs/reviews from anons about the books they've read than the endless stream of faggots coming in here asking about Sanderson and Malazan.
David Rodriguez
Baited for exactly that response
Aaron Price
Got 'em.
Jordan Garcia
You put your reviews on goodreads and come here for recommendations.
Dominic Miller
Make me, queer.
Kayden Kelly
I need a good collection of fantasy short stories to imitate for writing practice pls
Brody Cox
Library of heavens path
Daniel Morris
Writing an actual relationship is hard, making a connection and then setting up a barrier for them to whine about is easy. That’s why few authors write relationships.
Jordan Walker
>And as the boundless destructive energy in this pillar of light was unleashed, all the trees in a radius of ten-some li were instantly rendered into ash…
How can trees even still exist
Gavin Davis
It kinds of decline in quality at the end, which felt sudden and rushed to me, and it's frustrating that the baited sequel will never happen, but this is still one of the best fantasy books I've read lately.
>Writing an actual relationship is hard It really isn't. It's just that so many retards these days think writing a relationship is the equivalent of writing The Odyssey.
Brandon Lopez
>It kinds of decline in quality at the end, which felt sudden and rushed to me How so? And which version did you read?
Carson Evans
Give me two examples of a good relationship in any fantasy where they arent separated more than they stay together.
Jaxson Wood
Most fantasy writers are boomers,most boomers don't know how relationships work
Easton Stewart
Codex Alera comes to mind. I know it gets mentioned a lot but after the second book they're basically together 24/7. Its also a great love story where there is no drama or betrayals. The other book that kinda comes to mind is old mans war. Specifically the third book. Then again only the first and the third are the ones you should be reading. Don't touch the others. Waldo Rabbit also comes to mind. Its more focused on the story rather than waldos relationship with alice but it comes up often enough to make it relevant in my opinion. Especially since their relationship starts of one-sided until waldo realizes he actually cares for alice. they meet like in the third or so chapter on of the first book and are basically always together.
Alexander Bailey
I wasn't talking about them being separated or together; I meant the relationship ITSELF. A lot of writers think it has to be this ridiculously complex and emotional ordeal before characters officially agree to be in a relationship together.
Cooper Diaz
Guy Gavriel Kay has been able to avoid those trapping with some exceptions.
>Credit systems build trust between all citizens, Wen Quan says. >"Without a system, a conman can commit a crime in one place and then do the same thing again in another place. But a credit system puts people's past history on the record. >"It'll build a better and fairer society," she promises. ohnonononono
good news /sffg/! Since this job search has been taking up too much of my time that I could be spending on my writing, I've come up with a solution that solves both problems at once. From here on out, I'm going to actively seek jobs in the publishing industry and exclude all others.
Hopefully I can land something in Scholastic, so I can get my foot in the door. If I'm lucky, I could end up with my book in scholastic book fairs across the country
fun food fact: the meth in Breaking Bad was actually made from blue raspberry flavored candy (also known as blue or cotton candy flavored). Aaron Paul, who played Jessie Pinkman on the show was rather enthusiastic about it and quickly began using and dealing it both on and off set
>tfw I live in Albuquerque >breaking bad simultaneously helped and ruined ABQ
Ayden Hill
your city should change its tourism slogan to "It's the right turn after all"
David Bennett
Black Canaan
Cooper Sanders
That's not bad, user
Dominic Brown
A Witch Shall be Born or People of the Black Circle.
>the one where he goes into a desert town of degenerate lotus eaters. I love how the woman Conan is with in that story is naked for almost its entirety. You can tell he wrote it that way just to get on the cover of whatever pulp magazines would publish it.
Christian Cook
Has any new cyberpunk actually been written that's reflective of what's actually going on in the real world? Shit like what China is doing along with the EU and online companies like Twitter and Google working in tandem with banks and shit to de-personize people and take away their livelihoods?
Dominic Fisher
>Has any new cyberpunk actually been written that's reflective of what's actually going on in the real world? Of course not. It would be shut down faster than rumors about a bank mishandling customers money.
Xavier Hughes
William Gibson of all people tried, with the Blue Ant trilogy. It was all right but only a shade above a generic thriller.
Brandon Thompson
>Writing an actual relationship is hard
No, it absolutely isn't. Here how it goes realistically:
"I like you, let's fuck before this insanely dangerous quest we're on kills us all." "You're physically attractive, so why not?" "Wow, we somehow survived, and rewards from our quest make you a king or some shit, lets marry!"
The problem lies in the fact that modern literature is heavily conditioned to treat romatic relationship as something super-special and the holiest thing there is, which cannot possibly be reduced to base desires, and a writer will get endless amounts of shit for portraying a romance in any way which can be interpreted negatively.
Nathaniel Smith
You are both right and wrong. Sure there are relationships based on pure physical desire or convenience. But blanketing them like that is really a disservice and shallow. I personally think the problem with relationships isn't the physical aspect or the idea that it has to be "true love", its the fact that many of them boil down to having a relationship for the sake of having one. Its actually very hard to write a relationship that progresses naturally without seeming forced, abrupt or purely physical.
Brody Allen
>Waldo Rabbit >webnovel LMAO
Julian Collins
What? How is it a webnovel?
Jordan Young
LGBTQ CHARACTERS EDITION >In honor of Pride month, be open and tell us all about your favorite LGBTQ characters. >As always, tell us about what you're currently reading. I am currently reading the non-SF, and very non-PC, This Storm by James Ellroy. I recently learnt about this book so I will try to track it down I've seen the illustration before but never knew what it was for Apparently it has lesbian cyberpunks, so there we go for this threads theme
>Albuquerque Not an Americlap, but that city was a punch line for many a jokes in bugs bunny cartoons when I was a kid.
Nathan Morales
Scene like this show that Chinese care nothing for the environment, other than a resource to strip mine. It's why they are importing lumber from other countries. They strip so much of their flora that they get smog. It's built into the Chinese to destroy and strip everything, and it comes out uncensored in their fantasy. They can and will kill and poison as many ecosystems as possible. The Chinese (Asians) are the locusts of the human species. While Caucasians are the red army ants who roam about looking to attack people for no reason.
Nathan Campbell
I can tell from your post that you don't read at all. You just come here to meme and try to trick people into reading what you hear others say, are bad books.
Grayson Richardson
Go back to red.dit
Aiden Wood
God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and every creature that crawls upon the earth."
Mason Kelly
When does the way of kings get good?
I'm over 500 pages in and literally nothing has happened.
Noah Peterson
Fuck off
Jonathan Evans
in the last 5% but not really enjoy sanderson
Nathaniel Collins
Have I made a mistake
Eli Rivera
>When does the way of kings get good? it doesn't
>Have I made a mistake Only if you keep reading his books.
Brody Rogers
Is that what the Buddhist bible says?
Jaxson Perry
Never read Ursula Le Guin before. Where should I start?
David James
Wizard of Earthsea. Short, simple, good.
Jeremiah Ramirez
>LGBTQ CHARACTERS EDITION Fuck off you obnoxious tranny.
Caleb Anderson
No,because writers like John Brunner already wrote about that 60 years ago
Chase Collins
Is there any point to reading SF authors other than Gene Wolfe?
I can't believe people still think Cyberpunk is anything but a empty but cool aesthetic, have they checked on the authors recently?
Andrew Butler
If you only read Wolfe, you would have nothing to compare it to. Oh it might be the best thing you've read but... Can you really be sure of that?
Nathan Moore
Lyonesse sucks horse dick. The brave free men starts exceptionally well, but the next two books devolve into pointless, rushed romps riddled with plot holes. Don't know about the rest.
Dominic Morris
I am currently reading Dune, was it ever explained why there is so much muslim terms and culture on Arrakis (whether it's lore wise, or why the author suddenly became islamist tier)?
I'm trying to figure out which books to get to have them all but it's confusing because some of the releases have different titles but the same stories.
David Morales
Oh I see, have you read some of them before or why are you so desperate to get them all?
I got that book for 30p so a total bargain
Ryder Baker
Aye, amazing price.
I'm not really desperate, I just like Lem and I want to get paperbacks of his work. I don't want to buy duplicates since i'm probably going to have to buy some new and it's a bit of pain to catalogue some of it because of all the different types of releases over the years.
Gavin Reed
Its online retard sci-fi, but has anybody read deathworlders? Does it ever get back to more humanity fuck yeah shit or is it going to talk about trannies, abortion, gay sex, sex with raccoons, and how stupid religion is forever
Christian Morris
Ah fair enough
Just checked out the new Penguin version - nice cover art but has the same stories as my version
Andrew Evans
Not according to OP, but according to GRRM these pose a problem. learn to read mate.
Dany and Jon have never spoken in the books, they have technically never even resided on the same continent together. You sound like you just watched the show and assumed that's how the books end.
Easton Parker
Lyonesse is boring, don't know about the rest.
Cooper Fisher
I don't know, I like chivalric romances.
Lucas Brown
It'll be pure and total bullshit if Jon is brought back in the middle of Winds and meets and falls in love with Daenerys at the end and realizes he has to kill her for reasons in Winds. It would just be a lot better if all of Jon's scenes with Daenerys are actually of Aegon and Daenerys. Jon stays dead and isn't resurrected.
Wyatt Kelly
>In honor of Pride month, be open and tell us all about your favorite LGBTQ characters. How about EMPIRE by Samuel Delaney. I started reading "Dhalgren" but quit because I'm somewhat homophobic and was grossed out by the explicit gay sex. EMPIRE leaves it ambiguous so I got to enjoy the whole thing.
Also the illustrations are by Howard Chaykin who did the original Star Wars comic book adaptations.
What are some fantasy books where Elves (or a race similar to elves) are the antagonists? i want to see elves getting BTFO
Chase Thomas
>favorite LGBTQ character
Baron Harkonnen
Austin Morales
The Elf Nigger Chronicles by NRRRS
Lucas Collins
No but this is on my list. I love me some philosophy + fiction (e.g. Anathem, Darkness that Comes Before).
Brody Russell
Markus Heitz – Die Zwerge (German, 5 books)
Translated into English as The Dwarves. The Albae are an antogonistic elvish race, and the proper elves themselves aren't all that nice either. Scores of both get maimed and killed; often by dwarfish axes and hammers.
Jaxon Scott
Lords and Ladies, one of the Discworld books. It's comedy like the rest of the series but they're played completely straight as antagonists.
Caleb Morris
A Witch Shall Be Born. Hour of the Dragon is great too but I'm a sucker for the Bible symbolism of the former.
>I love how the woman Conan is with in that story is naked for almost its entirety. Every Conan love interest is absolute top tier GF material LOL. My favorite is the chick from "Red Nails".
The funny thing is that almost no sex takes place in the novels Howard wrote himself. I always wondered if that was against the rules of the pulps, or maybe Howard really was in the closet after all.
Jose Green
In the original 6 books, it's only sorta kinda not really alluded that the fremen are descendants of some people from a long ass time ago that kinda sorta were kinda sorta Muslim sand negroes, or something like that. The fremen themselves (along with MANY other things) become irrelevant beyond the first 2 books. Even in Children (3rd book) you can argue that they aren't important in the slightest. I love Dune to death, it's my favorite series by a long mile (only because I consider Book of the New Sun just that... a (1) book) but the one thing I hate about the series overall is how some things are brought up once or twice and then NEVER AGAIN, and how some things are presented as, like, 'mega super important guys' and then there's never any payback and are never mentioned again, ever. Makes me think how the series would have ended if Frank lived. Never did read his son's books, but I might.
I've been thinking about getting The Illustrated Good Omens as a gift, is the quality of the book good with well done illustrations or should I just buy the normal edition?
Just got done with the Wheel of Time and have already read LOTR, so could anyone reccomend a good generic epic fantasy series ? Nothing trying to break the mold or do anything new, just a great buncha books ? So much stuff now seems like its "Traditiional fantasy, but with giant hamsters"!
I've never read that edition myself but I'm familiar with Paul Kidby and I know his art is a bit polarizing; some people like it and others really don't, mainly because of the way he draws people. He did a bunch of the Discworld covers, so check those out if you want to see what his style is like.
Conan has sex with a pirate captain in front of her crew in Queen of the Black Coast. A few stories have the female protagonist getting (implicitly) raped by the villain at the beginning.
is there a list anywhere of fantasy with good prose?
I only read fantasy very occasionally, and it's such a disappointment when you have something recommended to you only for it to end up reading like a children's book, except 1000 pages long.
Henry Williams
Obligatory wolfe recommendation. Now fuck back off to outer Yea Forums
Christian Taylor
nice cory meme
Gabriel Wright
I just picked up The Buried Giant, gonna start reading today
Josiah Powell
maybe since you are so disappointed in fantasy, you can do some research for your self and find something you like instead of coming here with only the vaguest of criteria and begging for recs.
Eli Thomas
fantasyfags are so defensive, jesus
Jaxon Brooks
Moth & Cobweb
Anthony Wright
The Last Ringbearer.
Luke Flores
gonna write tonight /sffg/. I swear to fucking god.
I wish I had an answer user, but I feel you. Elves have all the traits of a great antagonist. They're ancient race of magically potent immortals who are profoundly racist, enslave weaker species. They're faster than humans, have better aim and eyesight than humans, and are more beautiful to boot. And on top of all of that, the oldest traditions hold that their view of the world was so alien that the word "eldritch" arose from the word "elven"
Frankly, elves could eat humans daintily and it wouldn't seem out of character. They just don't consider humans that different from the other things that *evolved* like animals
really like the paul kidby illustrations. theyre fucking great.
Julian Morris
>8 tabs open on laptop >4 books open nearby >3 phones all running towards the same goal >glasses off because I can't read / write with them on >3:58 AM as I'm typing this, on a relaxing summer Saturday night >drinking tree sap What are your rituals for writing? I'm notoriously slow in the entire process, I do like to consult dictionaries and translators (some words work better in other languages, but I need an equivalent of them in my own language) as well as re-reading several books at once. What are the phones for? Well I store everything I write in a cloud storage. One phone is for writing, the two other phones are for editing different sections simultaneously. And what is that tree sap I'm drinking? It's actually birch sap. Look it up.
Any authors similar to Patrick Ness or Nancy Farmer?
James Thompson
>40+ tabs open >sitting on my bed with my laptop open >starting any time between midnight and 1am >writing in open office even though it sucks out of habit and storing on dropbox >set a 500 word limit and either fail to meet it or write 1000 words >perodically saying "oh god this is so shitty"
Interesting about the birch sap. Where do you live planeboi? I knew about birch syrup, but I never heard about drinking the sap. Granted, I should have known since I've seen maple sap sold in groceries before (I regret not getting it at the time because I never saw it again) and one of the things I researched for this story was the edibility of birch bark
What does it taste like? Is it like maple syrup (the real stuff, not pancake syrup) where it tastes sort of like brown sugar, or is it something else. For some reason I imagine it having a more herbacious flavor
If you like Patrick Ness' Chaos Walking scifi worldbuilding, you might like the Coldfire Trilogy. I have no match on Nancy Farmer.
Nicholas Gomez
That wasn't the fault of Raven. It's because Stephenson can only ever write bad sex scenes.
Aiden Walker
Which SFF author should I read if I want to learn more about Mormon theology?
Ryder Brooks
James S.A. Corey
Jayden Johnson
brandon sanderson
Dominic Morales
ORSON SCOTT CARD
Anthony Thomas
what the fuck is this gay shit? why are you tying Conan in with your faggot shit and your psychosis riddled trans freaks. you disgust me
Adam Gonzalez
good . we dont take to your kind around here
Elijah Rivera
I'm from Eastern Europe and there's a long tradition of gathering birch sap right where I live. A lot of other folk traditions and many legenda are still standing which might have been influencing my love for fantasy and mythology. As for the sap, it tastes, to my opinion, like a more diluted coconut water. It has that specific plant-y taste, but it's good. I like it. And birch trees are some of my favorite trees ever. Very aesthetic.
Rainbows End is kinda maybe like that a little bit.
Lucas Barnes
>homophobic I don't think you (and the literal faggots that use it) know what that means. Are you afraid to the point of irrationality because some guy you never met is being stuffed like a sausage machine? Then you have no phobia of men on men.
Jack Gonzalez
Anyone that likes conan is a closet faggot. You want to read a book about a half naked, glistening with sweat, muscly man crushing and slamming everything into submission. You gay.
It's almost like that's a propagandistic term that is used to project weaknesses such as fear onto anyone who expresses moral opposition to homosexuality.
Landon Cox
Which SFF authors should I read if I want to learn why Mormonism is wrong?
How could you live today and be optimistic about the future
Dominic Perry
This was my favorite book from childhood, I've read that shit too many times. I feel like if it wasn't attached to the series it would've been bigger. Thanks
William Anderson
heinlein
Eli Scott
to be fair, it seems like the most exciting possibility in the future for our everyday lives is also one of our best chances for survival
Right now, meat production is one of the biggest contributors to global warming because of how much pollution is produced growing food for livestock, shipping it to farms, cleaning up waste, and shipping meat to grocers and butchers. On top of that our diets are limited by what can be commercially farmed, and as delicious as meat is there's no denying it's unethical
the advent of lab grown meat could solve all these problems, greatly reducing the resources and pollution needed to produce and ship meat, increasing the availability of exotic meats like giraffe or peacock, and alleviating any and all ethical concerns. Arguably, it could even result in ethically sourced human meat being sold in groceries though that last part is probably a bad idea.
On top of that, if we get to the point where we can grow fat as well as meat, it's possible that every steak could be A5 Kobe beef.
You've got to admit that's something to be hopeful about.
>How could you live today and be optimistic about the future
By not reading retards and scaremongers.
>Right now, meat production is one of the biggest contributors to global warming
That would have been a great reason to ramp up cattle farming, assuming a substantial global warming that has anything to do with us. Global warming would have been really awesome and beneficial for humanity. Alas, it is almost certainly bullshit.
real meat isn't going to go away user. There are far, far, far too many science-hating health nuts out there for everyone to switch to lab grown meat, but the industry reduced enough to make a major environmental difference, and what real meat is available will likely be higher quality or more ethically produced. The only downside is its going to get more expensive due to the relative expense of production and low demand
Camden Jackson
We need to have a round earth discussion next.
Xavier Roberts
>literally made up of inbred, bigoted, flat-earthers and has the gall to insult reddit and tumblr
this is so sad
Robert Gray
If you want to talk to flat-earth denying faggot lovers then why don't you go back there.
Carter Barnes
>global warming would be awesome for humanity Ok retard God right wing takes are incredible
Henry Lopez
yeah. its a little hilarious what kind of ideas they come up with in between naming their sister-daughter Lurleen and clapping her cheeks while high on meth
Thanks for the reminder that leftists hate poor and rural white people.
Parker White
>Poor people being addicted to drugs is funny LOL xD
Hunter White
Americans are a fucking riot. It's hilarious watching them on their path as they're slowly transforming into a third world country.
Leo Nguyen
Animorphs was some wild fucking shit, my man. Let's talk about it more next thread.
Ethan Long
Sanderson is kinda... bad? I mean I read his first Mistborn novel and it was fun, but that's about it. The "politics" in it are super simplistic. The religious aspect is boring and tried, the climax was decent but the twist dull.
The magic system was very well done but not really personally in to that, since it doesn't play any major role towards anything narrative or character wise, it's just there for battles and to push our main protagonist forward in to her arc.
The world building was good as well but nothing to stand against all the other sub-par parts, and not even close to the level of other works/authors. Not to mention all the characters were extremely cliche, super straightforward, and black and white.
And on top of that his prose is nothing special. I wouldn't read a 1000+ pages book from Sanderson ever.
Asher King
I do like that book but £ 30.00 would be too pricey for me, with that said if you want a hardcover edition thats the one to get as it says on the website "the revised edition has been overhauled to eradicate typos and errors from previous editions, making this the truly 'Nice' and certainly 'Accurate' Prophecies of Agnes Nutter, as wholeheartedly approved by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's estate".
I'm indifferent about the illustrations personally but at least your getting a little more bang for your buck.
Isaiah Long
there is no justification to being a redneck. poor democrats and rich republicans make sense. its natural to protect your own interests. Rich democrats make sense too, because putting others before yourself is a commendable thing to do. Poor republicans though have nothing to gain from their political leanings, and have no moral justification other than "fuck gays and brown people". Being a shitty person because you benefit is one thing, but if you're so dedicated to hurting other people that you're willing to sacrifice your own needs for it, then really you aren't even a human being anymore
Asher Nguyen
While I don't care for them all, what if someone made an imgur gallery of the user-made rec charts and we used that solely instead of the wall of text that is redundant charts, to reduce the amount of unneeded shit in the OP.
Elijah Gutierrez
I'm sure their lives would be significantly improved if only Democrats could flood their communities with Central Americans who could take their jobs for dirt wages and overflow the welfare systems beyond capacity.
Nathaniel Wilson
imgur is shit, compresses the shit out of images.
That said we do need a new image host, as imgoat's security cert has expired. I'm open to hear suggestions.
Sebastian Hughes
Just fuck already.
Christian Adams
>Dude morals are like... obvious, you know? You just need to not be a shitty person, okay? It's 2019 so like, we need to abolish borders. Stop being a stupid poor person and listen to your betters okay???
Lucas Ward
You can expand large images. I'm sure there is a better image uploading site though.
David Perez
Seething commiecuck
Ayden Jones
>der tooker jerbs immigrants arent taking your jobs Cletus. You seven-figure-salary bosses are taking your jobs and giving them to immigrants desperate enough to work for third-world wages, and and the politicians you're electing are the ones who are slashing you own wellfare programs
god, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think billionares know or care about your quality of life? I thought you morons were supposed to be cynical about human nature
Jason Powell
Imagine a science fiction utopia where people didn't flood unrelated threads with trite political shitflinging.
Lucas Thomas
>Dude morals are like... obvious, you know? You just need to not be a shitty person, okay?
the fact that youre even arguing against that is proof of every goddamn thing I just said
Jace Harris
>immigrants arent taking your jobs Cletus. You seven-figure-salary bosses are taking your jobs and giving them to immigrants In other words immigrants are taking people's jobs, lol. What a joke.
Jonathan Flores
>If you disagree with me it proves I'm correct xDDD
Lucas Stewart
We'd need to ban American ips for that. I'm down, it's not like the plonkers read or discuss any books.
Ryan Wright
>backing up the guy who is stripping away your income and safety net and blaming the guy who just wants to feed his kids because hes brown
nice one Cletus
Charles Young
Shut the fuck up you retards, talk about sci-fi
Dylan Cox
Either way the job is gone. You clearly don't care as you don't support any measures to stop it from happening. Your racist name-calling is as telling as it usually is, of course.
Jordan Jenkins
>NPC and proud of it
Thanks for reminding that the only reason you aren't recreating the Killing Fields in USA yet is not being sure whether you can get away with it.
big words from the side that built literal concentration camps
Alexander Ramirez
Nearly the entire Wall Street, including every major mass media conglomerate is firlmy behind Democrats. That's because their method of stripping income from the working class is depressing wages AND socializing expenses by inviting cheap immigrant labor.
And the "safety net" never was.
Leo Brown
>tfw no xianxia concentration camps where people get together en masse to meditate as a collective
Jason Gomez
You mean the concentration camps for Japanese Americans created by FDR (Democrat)?
Logan Lopez
>A literal Socialist party is right-wing because, well, can you guess it, that was not true Socialism!
Thomas Howard
>nazis were socialists This fucking lie again
Samuel Powell
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND TALK ABOUT ELVES SEX SLAVES
Brayden Miller
>nazis >socialists God you fucking people really need to feed your brainworms something other than your own grey matter
Caleb Parker
You don't understand. They can't just end the discussion. After all, they're right and the other one is wrong.
Eli Russell
You fell into the rhetorical trap he was trying to make by letting him derail the conversation into an argument about Nazism. The correct response was .
Jack Morales
Just imagine what sort of NPC brain without even the slightest sort of actual information processing is required to still regurgiate nonsensical Stalinist propaganda, trying to portray a literal Socialist party, which almost entirely repeated the staple social-democracy program of the time as "not real Socialists". Even though portraying all Socialists who do not kiss your ass as "not real Socialist" had been a propaganda staple of every fucking Socialist regime that tried to be independent.
Kayden Mitchell
But what if I want to self-insert as an elf who keeps human sex slaves?
Not much books for this feel, except maybe The Broken Sword and some Warhammer Fantasy hackery...
Hudson Bell
Why is there no video games here I can play as a martial artist pursuing immortality and the dao
Lincoln Long
>fascism was posited as an intentional opposition to socialism by its creator >hurrrrr socialism is when the government does things Shut the fuck up you absolute mongoloid
Oliver Lewis
i love elves
Nolan Bennett
Elf slaves of the world, UNITE! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Connor Jenkins
>mfw planeboi is probably a cute autistic slavic pagan girl
