ITT: Psychede/lit/

Around 90%... I had my first trip around eleven years ago when I was a senior in high school. Became obsessed with the experience afterward. Read voraciously about the subject. Posted on 420chan constantly. And tripped a good couple dozen times after that in college until I started to have not bad reactions per se but very unusual ones (mania and hallucinations) that made reintegrating into reality difficult afterward which was quite frightening and a sign to stop, IMO.

Snow and fester are the two books I am least sure about because I know so little about chemistry but they tend to get recommended by people in the know so I just included them anyway.

Prometheus Rising is based AF.

May I add "The Drug User's Bible" which is basically 150 different trip reports by one guy who's tried all these different drugs. Pretty big on harm reduction. It used to be called The Honest Drug Book.

>Sasha Shulgin - PIHKAL and TIHKAL
Shulgin has to be one of the top 10 madmen to ever live. Imagine the kind of guy that fabricates hundreds of new chemicals and then experiments on himself with them to categorize the effects. Imagine having your drug research funded by the DEA only to betray them and publicly publish all of your results.
Does anyone else have readings on various clandestine chemists from the 20th century?

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Check out the Rose of Paracelsus. Pickard's story. Written from prison after getting narc'd by that crazy neurosoup bitch.

*Pickard AKA 90% of acid in the 90s

And did reading about the subject change your experiences in any way?

I think reading about the subject before your first experience is essential. Nothing can truly prepare you but having some maps helps quite a bit. I think my trips began to change as my life got more serious. And brain chemistry starts settling in in your early adulthood. I may have some mild nervous disorder. But I think my trips have been by and large enlightening and beneficial to my growth as a person. As Watts would say (I think), I got the message so I hung up the phone. For real, God called me and I listened and he told me to stop so I was like don't want to keep calling back and get in trouble with the big man...

thanks for sharing user. I havent done psychs entheogens before, I'm just very curious about them :)

Thanks for this.
Have you read How to Change Your Mind? I realize it's as close to normiecore as you can get psychedelic lit wise, but I found it a good introduction to a broad spectrum of areas concerning psychedelics. And the author's hesitation before the plunge of trying psychedelics out himself makes it a good suggestion for the uninitiated. I wanted to know what the board thinks.

How to Change Your Mind is pretty good. Like you said it's very normie but that ain't really a bad thing. I have a lot of respect for Pollan as a researcher, he's very well spoken and doing a lot of work to bring psychedelic research mainstream.

Read it recently and enjoyed it. Smart dude. Wasn't really groundbreaking or anything but it is a good book despite (or because of) being normiecore. Wish it was out when I first started reading about the subject. Probably would've been more mind-blowing. Cooked is a comfy show on Netflix too.

Very cool, user! How about you make that into a neat little chart for me?

That's good to hear. It's the first book I delved into that goes further into the history and science behind psychs. I read Doors and some Castañeda before I ever tripped, and psychedelic-adjacent authors like Pynchon and Hunter S. Thompson as well. Right now I'm looking for LSD-inspired fiction; your schizocore might be exactly what I need. Any other suggestions?

I will because you asked so nicely. Be patient.
Devour Dick.

>devour Dick
Meant for:

I am going to do shrooms this weekend for the first time. I have always enjoyed reading when stoned, especially rich, grandiose prose, dreamlike stuff and fairy/folk tale aesthetics. Examples: hard boiled wonderland, zarathrustra and invisible cities. Please rec. me books for my trip (no books about drugs) prefer poetry for the short attention span needed.

Ficciones (might be too difficult)
Conference of Birds
Masnavi
Rubaiyat
Songs of Innocence and Experience
The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

Dao De Jing
Zhuangzhi
Upanishads

Leaves of Grass
Sonnets to Orpheus

you almost played yourself

i know a ton of people who went (semi) shizo from psychs

theres this things about shrooms prease understand prease understand if you take shrooms halleluja, aye, good is it to be there when it happens, when the shrooms get taken and you feel less like man and more like a big grand timewaster like a mechanical device of letting time pass, and suddenly you stand there and you wonder to whom do i really belong, to i really belong to myself or what haha, and so it goes, it goes and goes, if you're lucky you see the moon and hear the plucking of strings from a desperado guitarician. That guitaricians name is Eric Bravado, his voice is like gravel and you ears hang low, like a dogs, when he sings, your heart is in ache and you wonder, geez why does everything have to be about love and sex, why does absolutely everything have to be related t olove and sex, why am i constantly shown kissing people. You count back, it's been one year of no sex, or 1 1/2 if you're honest to yourself, and what hurts is that you never were good at it, or atleast you think this way,she was moaning after all, and you saw her orgasm like a fish, so maybe not being good at it simply signifies that you never really liked it, that you were never really at ease but had to think and reflect and judge and operate, worst of all, operate through it, and what bums you, what really fucks you up, while on shrooms, is seeing folks in a movie going at it automatically, not operating but eing, or singers who frame the world of love as this world of pure flow and subconscious transmission that leads towards a merging of the bodies, uninhibited and untamed, a merging even beyond the bodies of the two lovers, suddenly the lover is an airbus, and you're a soft-air rifle, and all of this is somehow merged in the love, while you yourself, always were yourself, and she was always herself, and you had sex and an orgasm and that was it, and your feelings were so twisted and ravaged and bipolar, and most importantly unsure of themself, that you could simply never let yourself be at ease and relaxed. And christ you think, christ, i feel so smart and enlightened, i feel like i understand the swaying of the tree branches, you feel connexted to a language beyond yourself, and yet when a nother human comes into the picture you tense up like a threatened animal, you become selfish and malicious, and you know very well, in your mind you had all of them gunned down and beaten up violently at least, at the very minimum once, out of fear, out of hurt, out of selfishness, out of not getting what you want, what everyone wants, and what so many but you are getting. The feeling that something is wrong, is fucked with you, beyond the normal, beyond the average, something which will not be fixed, something that undermines every dream, every waking dream of yours at any moment - this feeling washes over you and you see that all men, but particularly you, are a helpless man, that perhaps, perhaps it is true, that if there is a way out of this it can only be god or death, an

did they smoke weed at the same time?

There's a schizophrenic man living down the street, most people dont grow aware of his existance, and thats easily because he barely ever leaves the building complex. I am a snattering duck of a woman and sit all day on the street on a chair and i watch the people and i greet the people, i say hello there, very hot day isnt it and the people say, oh indeed it is, i'm sweating profusely and you can see the doubt in their faces, but i say: Oh sweetheart DONT WORRY, and they walk off, hopefully with relief in their heart, but being such a woman i sit on my chair all day and i watch who leaves where and when and how and why, sometimes why, yes, and i noticed this man leaves his building, atleast during the normal hours of the day, he does it rarely so, sometimes once a week sometimes less, and he does so always in jogging pants. He got curls, brown curls, he's kind of chubby, and he wwears black stained t-shirts. He looks dirty and messy, he doesnt take care of himself, and i can say this frokm having seen him in total precisely 7 times in the last 14 months. I am never on the street after 10 pm but to be honest and not play any games of this and that, i shall tell you quite franky that i am assured that he's an unemployed person, that the few instances he leaves his house, he does so at the whims of the social security center, and i can only imagine how he behaves himself there to be financed throughout all of this. I am very sure that he does not leave his home at night, i can not explain it, but his whole demeanour and appearance simply point at a young man who stays in his room all day, does dirty and forbidden things, orders himself food, mind you, he's perhaps even supported by his parents financialy, and occasionally leaves the home for the government duties. Now what really shocked me was the odour of his body or the clothes he wore on it. It was not too long ago, 53 days, that he passed me, probably passing by the drug store before going to his next appointment, and there was an odour that really hit me as frightening. Enough of that. I saw the cumstains on his shirt. There were cumstains on his shirt. There was tomato sauce on his joggers. His hairs were unwashed. And so i got curious. I asked people, who's that boy? Who is he, what does he do. And then i learned something that really changed my perspective. I am the first one to admit that i'm prejudiced, and in this case i truly was, i truly was. My lovely neighbour Mr. Harrowbart explained to me, that he was the son of old lady Mrs. Turminoil, and that he suffered from schizophrenia, and that he was incapable of work, and that he left the house to get his meds, but often his mother would do it. She had had the child with 43, and we both nodded. I was told that he had some strange habits and that he enjoyed very loud music of the more alternative and annoying kind, but that when talked to, he showed a sincere and kind heart, and that we must be understanding and caring for those who had h

Devour Dick got me to Pornhub and not much else. Author?

some of them yes and I did too, used to be a daily smoker, i did one puff had and had kind of an exhausting (semi-bad) trip and was never able again to smoke again without bad feels or panic attacks.

the riddance of that addiction actually that improved my life a bit. never tripped again

I guess kicking your habit is a silver lining. Glad you're doing better
It's weird that this is kinda a common story where people smoke weed during a trip and it ends up ruining weed for the rest of their lives

All you need.

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Phillip K. Dick

psychedelics are for imbecilies who think looking through a caleidoscope offers more than looking through a binocular. Yes if you are damaged from a live in modernity, with it's unnatural fullfilment of the bodily structures, if you r brain is constantly deprived of nutrients you might get something out of it, but besides that, it is nothing than a pseudo advancement of expierence.
>muh flashy lights, muh fractals.
enjoy your cia drugs.

>t. never tried a psychedelic in his life
70% of volunteers undergoing recent tests with psilocybin report experiencing one of the most important spiritual events of their lives. This experience has been likened to (as in, it ticks every box of characteristics you might use to describe) a spiritual revelation. I think you'd like them, contrarianon.

I was actually just thinking of making a thread about literature relating to the Grateful Dead phenomenon

Dude like culture is so dumb, just like be primal man, like the amazon people

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>bruh just smoke dmt and i dont have to explain anything to you anymore just talk to the elves.

i have "tried.." more phenethylamines and psychedelics than you can get your hands on, i have seen people getting humbled by them and I have friends who are in the labyrinth of "spiritual psychedelic experience" and they will most likely never leave it. (psychedelic ignorants chasing the rainbow)
The risk of getting lost in them is not worth the benefit. Do as you will. Alot of people are just really unfit for the psychedelics, what is the opinion of the 30% that did not have the greatest experience ever.
argumentum ad populum btw.

Mushrooms are different and really can get people past traumas, but nothing more.

Brahmacharya is the highest gift, after taking psychedelics normal people become a pain in the ass and the likelihood of alienation is pretty high, not so if you learn to cultivate your energies.

Does anyone know where I can watch the Vsauce video of Micheal tripping balls on ayahuasca? I don't wan't to give Jewtube money

For the history of psychedelics I would also recommend "LSD - My problem child" by Dr Albert Hoffmann

It's literally the exact opposite. Shrooms will literally destroy your life. I've seen it fuck people up hard. Phenethylamines are always a safe bet I comparison.

>my path is the best path and if your path involves drugs you are wrong
>btw i used to do drugs teehee
So this is the power of trad enlightenment...

I want to try psychedelics so bad but I'm a turbo hikki and what few friends I have are all prudes who aren't interested. I think my only option would be to make ayahuasca or some shit but I think I'm too retarded for that.

I'm skeptical and boring and I don't believe in widespread use of psychedelics in prehistory.
People like McKenna see psychs as objectively significant and "final", either able to reveal some sacred truth about the external world, or at the very least just able to grant the user new ideas and great insights into their own mind.
Part of their justification for seeing psychs as objectively important is that they have some kind of intimate, ancient connection with humankind.

Generally the most boring option is the true one, and considering shit like
>Burroughs had to travel for a while before even finding a tribe that used ayahuasca
>peyote religion only started in the 20th century
>people living around magic mushrooms but not ever eating them or knowing what they are (only one medical record in europe exists of accidental magic mushroom consumption and it's from the fucking 1700s)
>people living around other types of psychoactive substances but not even realizing they can be used that way (mimosa hostilis in mexico/brazil)
makes me think that psychedelic usage had to have been sparse and isolated in history.

And with DMT too; even if it's produced by the body naturally doesn't mean it's produced in the brain. People like McKenna especially like DMT, but how do we know it's actually connected to human use historically in a widespread/meaningful way?
Removing the "ancient" factor from psychs pretty strongly lowers the credence of the idea that trips are anything more than just fun little experiences that trick your mind.

Best you could say is that people today are so enamored and fascinated with psychedelics because the world in general was more "magical" by itself in pre-modern times (meaning either pre-industrial or even pre-agricultural).

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get a box and grow shrooms spores are legal most of the time, but fucking do not do it more than once or twice. not for pleasure, just for insight. if this is illegal get a book about msuhrooms they almost grow anywhere on the planet.

you just want conflict. if i could reverse my taking of said drugs i would do it, every trip haunts you a little bit, perception changing will change the perceiver inevitably.

the mere appeal of changing the perceptio of reality is that reality is not offering any fullfilment therfore you try to alter it, which is in the end, not fruitful.
enjoy your fragmented psyche

>not for pleasure, just for insight
lame zone

Sorry to here that you let that happen bro. Maybe if you weren't so hellbent on guzzling down soi and nigger semen you wouldn't be so easily mind-broken like a fag when he sees a Switch.

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Eh, people can do whatever they want and will develop in whatever ways they will. Any sort of moralizing or ranking of experiences is a lot of hot air.

Not an ad populum because my point isn't that since many people had good experiences it's good, but that it's possible today, with a high degree of accuracy, to produce a mystical experience in a lab. That alone gives me pause. It's like that old meme about being born too late to explore the earth and too early to explore the universe; I feel we are in a blessed time to explore the mind.
The 70% number was based on a standard questionnaire, so 30% didn't rank it as high or adammantly refused to consider it a spiritual experience. It should be said, in 2000 therapeutic use cases there hasn't been a single bad experience. And of course this lines up with everything you said, since psilocybin is the active ingredient in shrooms. More knowledge is needed (about long term usage, for example), and I hipe researchers are allowed to get it. I am entranced by psychedelics but their ego-building qualities scares me some.

What is Brahmacharya? Wikipedia makes it sound like a sort of Indian nofap.

Where can I find LSD or DMT without the darkweb, I'm afraid I'll just get scammed online

>Removing the "ancient" factor from psychs pretty strongly lowers the credence of the idea that trips are anything more than just fun little experiences that trick your mind.
I don't think of the Stoned Ape as anything much more than a thought experiment, but I don't think this is true. Subjectively, taking LSD was much more than a 'fun little experiment'. Profound in ways very few things had ever been, undeniably making me see the world in a different light. It didn't inhebriate me like alcohol, make me slow like weed, or just make me happy, like MDMA; the noetic quality in these substances, their existance-as-knowledge, is undeniable.

There are other historical avenues you didn't mention. The Greek Dionysian Myths, for example. And an important part of cultural consumption of psychedelics is that they upset whatever natural order exists, so their secrecy or prohibition is not far behind widespread use. The Spanish crushing mezoamerican mushroom use being a registered example, but we may speculate (without making any broad assumptions or overstatements) that other forms of repression happened after conquests or unified religion. I'm very curious about why people in the West are so terrified of Amanita muscaria (the stereotypical poisonous mushroom) when its toxicity is so very low when compared to its psychedelic qualities.

Find a friendly Canadian. Reddit is unironically a good place to start. Get litecoin.

I'm in Europe

You'll only find LSD-25 in the DW. Thankfully, you live in the future, so you don't need that shit. 1P-LSD is the gentleman's choice, often not not-legal. The Canadian sells it. Do your homework and godspeed.

This one has a translation online (translated as Approaches: Drugs and Ecstatic Intoxication) though I can't say how good it is.
Visit to Godenholm is also interesting though much less accessible

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>Joe rogan here
Jamie pull that bag of DMT
>Chimp videos

>part of cultural consumption of psychedelics is that they upset whatever natural order exists
name one specific historical occurrence

wow

xxXDDD

The 60s

try harder

What are your thoughts on the nature of DMT entities? My belief is that the ones corresponding to known cultural archetypes are projections of the human vollective unconscious, a la Jung - but the ones unlike anything from our culture or waking experience are externally, independently real. I've never taken DMT, and probably never will, but I believe that our waking perception only shows us a select band of reality, which DMT somehow removes part or all of and thereby permits access to what seems a new world, but is in reality always here, outside of our perception. My own experiences with clairvoyancy have also helped me form this opinion. I also believe the Old Testament has relation to entheogens and higher-dimensional entities, and that the Pashupati Seal of the Indus Valley Civilization may also depict one such type of being. Our ancestors were in contact with these entities, and they became our mythologies and folklores, and unbeknownst to us, were not products of the imagination, at least not initially. I want science to study the DMT phenomena thoroughly, and try to ascertain its nature. Psychonauts are simply not reliable enough to relay the facts of such a world back to us, and examine it with the rigor a more sober team would.

they're ayy lmaos in their own "dimension" and when you take the dmt your, how should we put it, "soul" briefly crosses over to their side.

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At least in the US 1P is more expensive than 25 and possibly more dangerous because the Analogues act and it usually has to be sent internationally, meaning going through customs.
Although if it's just personal amounts it's not a big risk but still.

That's what I feel as well, but I also believe that there are higher-dimensional beings around us even now, right in our very homes.

demons

Read Freud and Lacan and not just Jung...
This.
And this.
Dimensional and terrestrial and stellar and astral...

humans are social creatures and you're wired to talk to yourself and play out scenarios with other people in your head all the time; just like how you can see faces in patterns and inanimate objects and stuff. the drug makes you forget your brain was doing these things and so it makes if feel like it was external, hence encountering "entities".

'Turn on, tune in, drop out.' The hippie movement was robbing the US of A of soldiers for the Vietnam war while being fuelled by psychedelics. Nixon called Timothy Leary 'the most dangerous man in America'. 'Destabilising' is the least you can say of psychedelics.

look retard the whole point of this conversation is that I () don't think psychedelics were ever very important in human history, even stoned ape theory aside, and I think people who like psychs try to think of them as more important than they are. the experiences you have on them are fucked up and extreme because of the human capacity for imagination, not because the drug is actually spiritually significant or anything. and it's not historically significant either, as per the greentext examples given in my post.
I'm saying hippies INVENTED the idea of psychs as a powerful force in human history. and I asked for a historical example to support their idea and you say the hippies themselves. It's bullshit. come up with something better.

based

Sorry, washed my down the sink last month. It was a mistake to buy it and I’ve never tried after a few years. Too old for this shit, daily meditation serves me much better than drugs.

Read a book, nigger

what the fuck, no you

Drugs have always been used. Read a book. Admittedly psychedelics have not been some magic panacea for social change. Fine. I think that requires work. But I'm gonna want a drink and a smoke after the revolution still.

>I can't express myself
>it's my interlocutor's fault!
I mentioned the Dionysian Myths. Maybe go read the wikipedia article on that. But if you're interested in the ancient history of psychedelics, I can't really help you, it's the aspect that captures my attention the most.
You say it comes from human imagination, I say it doesn't. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Cows and horses like to trip, though. But consider: these are either waus to access divinity directly or composts so powerful that imbibing it once can have noticeable effects for months, years, or a lifetime. Any way you look at them they're powerful.

I tripped a few weeks ago, June 1st. About 1.4g. I had tripped twice before that, both 3.5g. Cubensis.
About two years ago, when I was 19, I started smoking weed to cope with my anxiety. I smoked a LOT of weed. I'm talking a good quarter of an ounce a day pretty much every day up until my most recent trip. When I trip, I experience terrible come-up anxiety. I'm usually able to deal with it until I'm in the thick of the trip, but this time it was particularly bad. Started smoking to calm it down but the weed did nothing at all. It was like I wasn't even smoking. So I started exercising, which usually helps my anxiety too. Did 40 pushups. I couldn't breathe afterwards, I was having a panic attack. Eventually it subsidedand I tripped normally, but the next day I noticed I couldn't take a full breath still. I also noticed that I couldn't pay attention to anything like I used to, and my memory was shot. I was forgetting sentences while I was in the middle of them. If anything distracted me, anything at all, I'd instantly forget everything I was thinking and be unable to recall it. I also felt like I was in a haze all the time, like there was an actual cloud of smoke in my brain.
I decided it was the weed. Since then I've quit smoking (as best as I can cold turkey; most days I don't smoke at all despite my girlfriend whom I live with still smoking but sometimes I start to panic and do a dab of concentrate since the vapor is easier on my lungs. the smoke from flower agitates my already inflamed and bruised sternum, making the chest tightness worse instead of helping (i believe I actually induced costochondritis from coughing too hard last year, I spit up some blood after coughing really hard and there's been a tenderness in the center of my chest since then)) and I believe the shrooms were what set it off. They kind of "scrubbed" my brain clean for the duration of the trip and allowed me to see that I was clearly hurting myself by smoking so much. Now every time I smoke flower, my chest gets really tight and I feel a deep chill in my heart. I refuse to smoke bud, even though I desperately want to. It's hard to explain the coldness, when I get high on concentrates too there's a coldness inside of my heart that lasts the duration. Never experienced any of this before doing the shrooms. I wonder if these feelings were always here and simply repressed and the cubensis made me aware of them.
Right now I'm experiencing dramatic mood swings, immense irritability, and panic attacks at random due to withdrawal from cannabis. There are no physical cravings and I don't have much of a desire to smoke despite it being such a big part of my life but the psychological symptoms are pronounced. The only reason I'm writing this terribly long blogpost is because I don't have any close friends to talk to and I need to express these feelings or else I'll have another anxiety episode. Thanks for reading my cope, anyone had any similar experiences?

*not the aspect

>anyone had similar experiences?
Yeah. I did acid a few years ago and got depersonalization and insane anxiety/paranoia along with it. The weirder aspect of the experience was that the trip was quite enjoyable, but at some point I felt horribly tired and needed to sleep while at the same time I felt a deep sadness. The next day I felt like nothing was real and I couldn't stop my mind from focusing on my anxiety. My whole life felt like a blur. I couldn't talk for half a minute without losing my train of thought. I developed agoraphobia and a horrible fear of death along with it. The experience almost cost me my life. There where times when I was set on killing myself out of sheer desperation.
You are lucky that you did not get schizophrenia or depersonalization from your trip. In the future I can see you getting healthy, but you must stop smoking weed man. Also exercise regularly and start doing projects (artistic or professional) that make you feel good about yourself. It's never late to turn your life around. What you are suffering right now shall pass, I assure you.

Would add to this works about psychedelic therapy/modern shamansim:

DeKorne J - Psychedelic Shamanism, The Cultivation, Preparation, and Shamanic Use of Psychotropic Plants

Grof S - LSD Doorway to the Numinous, The Groundbreaking Psychedelic Research into Realms of the Human Unconscious

Sessa B - To Fathom Hell or Soar Angelic

Stolaroff M - The Secret Chief Revealed, Conversations with Leo Zeff, Pioneer in the Underground Psychedelic Therapy Movement

ALSO

The Scientist by John Lilly

youtube.com/watch?v=VOU9khtMrak

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Huxley's The Island and Brave New World changed how people thought about drug use in European societies. And the enshrinment of 1984 only increases the popularity of Huxley's dystopia-utopia novels thereby becoming a part of the international dialogue about drug use in society.

Also, on a more individualistic level. There was the study where terminally-ill cancer patients were adminstered doses of Psilocybin and came out of the experience exceedingly more comfortable with the idea of death and morality. I can see that as two good examples.

ok but why is he naked

Best literature to read on LSD?

Woah this dude is smart, way beyond the scope of many of us, seriously surprised he hasn't been recognized already